There were just 2 more posts in a row asking CCP to deliver more dress-up items.

Next: Kick the Nex out of the game. Really. Aurum belongs to Dust not to Eve. Stop trying to 'scam' extra money via Aurum. What to do with the current clothing? Blueprints, reimbursement, whatever... don't care... not my job. The Nex - Store needs to go. No matter how.

CCP Atlanta is and always was working on WoD, CCP Shanghai is working on DUST and CCP Reykjavik is working on EVE Online.

Anyway I'm pretty freaking tired of this reasoning against WiS: "Oooh they'll have to drop everything to make Incarna worthwile, I'm against it because of this."
No, they don't have to drop everything. CCP Demoed Ambulation (what Incarna was called back then) during 2008 fanfest (I think it was 2008, but could be 2009?), they had a mostly working prototype with establishments and minigames you could play with other capsuleers for ISK, they also demoed bots - in this case, bartenders - and mentioned they could be further developed in a way to allow player created missions; ......

Don't believe me? Watch the video.

This fairly impressive prototype was by the way done during Eve's "golden years", expansions such as Trinity, Empyrean Age, Quantum Rise - Apocrypha, which, unless I remember terribly wrong, is generally hailed as one of the best (or at least most feature rich) EVE expansions to date. Go check for yourself all the things CCP got out, while working on that prototype for Incarna.


But frankly, I'm amazed how many people seem think CCP can't do anything these days without completely ignoring everything else than the one thing they are working on.

CCP - I believe in you.

WiS/CQ might still have a place, and a glorious comeback.

But not until CCP can come up with a real solid reason to invest a huge amount dev resources.

There are no cheap wins to be made with WiS, and to invest the resources needed there has to be a serious payback in the form of gameplay.

CCP felt compelled to abort Incarna and go into tweak-and-polish mode for a few years. Recall, at the Fanfests after it the mere mention of WiS was enough to inspire booing. Any mention of it on the forums was met with similar negativity.

I guess you don't realize how damaging roleplayers can be.

Yes, two years where real Eve gameplay was ignored.

Try as you might, you can't make huge pink phalluses rain from the sky on someone else's event in EVE.

Except when they don't provide lots of money. Case in point: Incarna

When you balance the cost to build the cash shop, the products, and the avatars to wear the goods vs. the revenue generated to date, I would guess CCP did not recoup 1% of its expenditures. Otherwise, we'd probably be seeing regular additions and iteration to the shop and WIS if either was so lucrative and contributed anything statistically relevant to CCPs bottom line.

...ONCE YOU GOT SOV AND POS WORKED OUT ...

So you have no idea what you're talking about but that's not going to stop you from advocating that CCP ignore broken game mechanics to add more emotes and space pants. Thanks for the useless input I guess.

This post might be a year old, but they had a working prototype then so I assume they aren't going to waste assets and trash all the ideas they have built up...

Can you stop addressing tiny little pieces of my post and actually address the main argument that refutes your points? Thanks.

it seems CCP lost its last chance to hold RP fans.

(bunch of awesome concept art)

Unlike some people in this thread I spoke with my wallet. The only hypocrisy I see are people who say they can't enjoy this game without bathrobes and dance emotes but continue to pay (for multiple subs even!).

Thers was no lack of optimization.

Think abouf it. A badly coded program runs slow and doesn't really challenge the hardware,
which is easily noteable by lack of noise and heat.
The CQ though stressed hardware so much, it was literally burning out gfx cards.

That's no lack of optimization, they simply used up too much ressources in an efficient enough way
to kill off (probably overclocked) hardware.

This game isn't for you, and it never will be. Other games aren't for me, and never will be, but I don't hang around the forums suggesting they should completely alter the fundamentals of the game.

What happened to the great sandbox mmo-rpg called Ultima Online, the developers created a safe haven in the game for carebears, with this change the cycle was broken, no more "Destruction" so their was no need for "Manufacturing" and obvious, no need for "Gathering" either. The game died, just like that.

After news from Vegas about modifications of NeX store it seems CCP is abandoning idea of microtransactions in EVE and most likely new "WiS" assets in the game are simply relics of "$1000 designer jeans" stash. I.e. they were developed 2+ years ago as more expensive tiers of cosmetics but since idea to sell them is abandoned we see them released into the game semi-free and nobody works on Incarna update.

At one of the Eve Vegas roundtables it was mentioned that one Dev wants to salvage corpses for implants. I suggested they do that via an avatar based mini-game.

they have 1 universe you think they will give that up?

Of course it will take place in a different universe. It's going to take place in the World of Darkness franchise universe.

Amazing how a thread about a feature that 'no-one wants' is still alive over a year later.

Well done all.

Basically, Incarna taught us two things as far as I can tell. 1. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay, and 2. Working on Avatar gameplay is very costly in terms of resources and time.

As a result, for the time being we are extremely focused on the in-space gameplay. We have years worth of work we can do in space but who knows, maybe someday we will get a chance to go back to it.

Now, consider adding avatar gameplay to a game designed around 1 second ticks, while that game is running,

As I said - yeah, maybe the idea of walking around in a station may attract a few people. But then you need them to stay and progress through the game, enjoy it (...and start alts, possibly, what's EVE without alts) then take part in the stories that make it popular. If the game has literally no content besides running around doing nothing, it'll be a short trip for them - especially when it comes to a lengthy game like this one.

- EvE has survived for 10 years thanks to it's "cult" niche.

- Attracting new players with a false perception of EvE is bad marketing.

Why do people think WiS should have no pvp?

...and anyway we could always resort to proxy PvP, either with "drone clones" or VR environments. Obviously VR would be risk-free, so the idea of drone clones would be better suit to EVE.

VR, on the other hand, would open massive opportunities for alternate gameplay, but CCP are not the right guys to dare to do that.

Your obviously not that au fait with Eve lore or back story. The Broker would disagree.

PvP...

With CSM remaining rather focused on the matters that actually matter, I guess one of the NDA features could be a long-term sov revamp or changes to POSes. Which is, pretty much, the next thing we need.

But the interesting notion is that EVE players as well, really should view their clones are just tools.

Perhaps we have a chance to see actual EVE expansion couple years later - maybe even WiS expansion (some of WoD devs will continue to work for CCP)