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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:23:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Sov is dead, there will be no rework.
at best it will be replaced with deployable modules that confer some type of Sov, but that's it. I don't blame CCP though for going with the cheapest option for null sec as we're talking about a tiny minority of players who actually have an interest in sov.
The only way to increase the interest in it is to fix it so smaller groups can take systems. I also wouldn't say around 1/5 of the player base to be small. It will be iterated on, but probably not fixed immediately. Well yeah I agree in general, it's something that needs to be worked on, SOV and POS etc. Also with concerns to FW too (which has improved much), not just nul. I can't see WiS ever being accepted by the majority of players until CCP finishes what they set out to do in regards to fixing this game. Adding lots more stuff just slows down that goal. People think it's somehow a popular idea now just because the majority of players don't bother to discuss it any longer, to object so much... to an old warn out topic really dead and buried for all intents and purposes. But who knows what the future will bring, but now it's the same as the past couple years, getting the mess cleaned up. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.27 10:12:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:
The community isn't going to still be around if CCP merely "fixes the game" for the next couple years, while other companies are releasing just downright better games. If CCP doesn't get with the "actually add stuff to EVE" program, it'll die off, and then you'll maybe see DUST and Valkyrie, and maybe this Legion thing we've heard is trademarked, being the future of New Eden, where EVE left off.
CCP has over 10yrs of development, that's a lot of catching up for those "better" games to do. Fixing broken stuff IS new content. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 01:05:00 -
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Ubat Batuk wrote:
It's unbelievable how people think. No problem, I am happy to wait for other games to come out and then CCP will change their mind in regard to WiS. When the cash shrinks cause people drop EVE for some other subscription title, things will change. I can see the future. I doubt that Valkyrie will be cash generating, as only a bunch of people can afford to pay for the FaceBook goggles, so that is going to be another failure in vision and overall strategy. I still do not understand why EVE / Dust integration is not further developed and why Dust is not a module of EVE online on PC. Now I fly a ship, and now I decide to clone jump to a planet to fight, it's that simple. Sorry for the rant but I care abopt EVE and I am upset by seeing people who are too short sighted.
Short sighted HAH! You think it's that simple to just slap Dust into EVE and call it a day? Sorry, but that's just an unedumacated view there you posted.
Personally I'd rather they just rip WiS out of the game entirely and drop in Dust all together, at least a PC version of it more in the mmo style. But even that is too much dev time and would rot the actual internet spaceship game which this game features. Excuse me if my SWG pre-NGE roots are bleeding though hehe. But even in the development of SWG:JTLS they had horrible obstacles with integration (according to their devs and why it was delayed to a later expansion).
But if you like Dust, well then play Dust, it's there. Meanwhile EVE, which has significantly improved regardless of WiS, still has development cycles to reach, many fix-it/maintenance milestones to conquer. It's not an endless fix-it plan, that would actually be short sighted as far as actual development procedure goes. Read up on ISO/IEC 12207 standards and become less "upset". You may think that you can see the future, but you are unaware of the present and how things operate in the software development field.
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:Additionally, regardless of which Dev said something on the spot outside of an official statement, corporate strategy is never set in stone, Yes it is, it's sometimes well documented years in advance. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 01:17:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
Nothing is impossible for the man who does not have to do it himself.
You mean the difficulty of it? Oh heck yeah. It's almost miraculous that EVE works at all.
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 02:07:00 -
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Beofryn Sedorak wrote:Webvan wrote:Yes it is, it's sometimes well documented years in advance. Until something changes, and everything gets re-strategized.
No, the only time this has seemed to have happened was over the summer of rage. And also with a shift of positions.
I'm not expecting any winter of rage for WiS anytime soon...
Google up the ISO/IEC standards I mentioned, that's pretty common practice. Of course CCP is a large developer compared to many, deploying many different teams into the project, but they still operate by a development standard such as that, if not that exclusively. Probably a minimum of hard documentation on a one year cycle (maybe two), and more rough documents beyond that which would be more likely to see current community requests that haven't been added to the current development cycles. And even some of the current work probably being pushed back by R&D into later cycles. Yeah, nobody operates by a whim.
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 02:37:00 -
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Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
1) CCP has such an excellent track record of not changing their development plans.
2) Your argument is the inverse of "Things aren't set in stone" meaning no chance of them changing. Then you go and say "They won't change unless X" You've already proven yourself wrong. Thank you.
3) "Yeah, nobody operates by a whim." BWAAAAHAHAH, heh, That's a good one, I really tried to write a serious response to that, But I just couldn't take it seriously after such a poorly thought out response.
So you think it's good when a company needs to shed jobs to change their development strategy? CCP took a hit after the summer of rage, it's not some sort of normal development cycle shift. That that's somehow just normal operational procedure? You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, and your guess is pretty poor without understanding how the process works which would give you at least the slightest idea. You can't just make major changes like that without negative repercussions to your product; the confusion and delays that follow would rip your company apart if it became a constant. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:05:00 -
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Beofryn Sedorak wrote: But even more importantly, As you already stated yourself, None of us have first hand knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors. So if That's out of context of what I said, and clearly you know that. If you ever do as I suggest, you will have understanding of what is going on behind those closed doors, in time, an educated guess, as apposed to knowing nothing as your posts on the matter clearly communicate. Your 'what if's' don't really fit through the door, just like the one saying she knows the future. CCP may have their problems, but they have shown themselves smarter than that, and function as developers typically do, or maybe even more so transparent than most.
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:22:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Honestly anyone who thinks the layoffs were sorely due to Incarna needs to do better research and stop blindly following what some other whining players have said.
Who claimed that? I don't see anyone saying that except by people trying to discredit those that favor the internet spaceship game over dreams of WiS. Use of poor forum trolling tactics 0/10. Even poor usage in psychology/counter-psychology. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:34:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Flamespar wrote:Honestly anyone who thinks the layoffs were sorely due to Incarna needs to do better research and stop blindly following what some other whining players have said. The layoffs were due to CCP ignoring Eve for two years while they tried to cater to the dance emotes and wizard pants crowd which resulted in the summer of rage and a massive drop in subscription numbers.
Straight up. Long time broken game features, long focus on WiS development that produced little to nothing, greed is good RMT. The resulting demand was reiteration, repair and improvements to the existing game as it is. This they are essentially still doing, starting from the newbie experience and working on out linearly; new features + old repair.
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
In essence though EVE is a 90's style game with 90's PvP and 90's graphics and the playerbase actually LIKE it that way and trying to change that (as opposed to fiddling with the current stuff) draws a great deal of rage.
I don't know about that, but the glaring changes for me are the environmental updates, hard to miss. Where New Eden seemed nearly 2D for me, it is certainly looking in the realm of 3D in recent years. Dang, we even see the rout lines on the stars now, rather impressive really. I really like environments and content development, and here in EVE all the big and little things added are quite good... and modern. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:00:00 -
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Ubat Batuk wrote: Respectfully speaking it looks to me that the company is run by a bunch of inexperienced kids.
I disagree. If CCP were just a rabble of inexperienced kids, they would have just turned their noses up at the community outrage and pushed on with what they had been doing. You think that is failure, but CCP is still here and imo having done a pretty good job with the change that took place. You want a contrast of what real failure is? SWG-NGE. Same exact thing happened there, and they blew it off. They lost ~90% of their player-base practically over night, the remaining players probably still just played because they had the access pass to all of SOE games, playing all the other dead games SOE had (SOE, where games go to die). And after a long death-throe they shut their doors. It took the lead dev many years to admit that it had been a mistake. Learn from history.
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:21:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Webvan wrote:Ubat Batuk wrote: Respectfully speaking it looks to me that the company is run by a bunch of inexperienced kids. I disagree. If CCP were just a rabble of inexperienced kids, they would have just turned their noses up at the community outrage and pushed on with what they had been doing. You think that is failure, but CCP is still here CCP's management failure in that situation was not related to the ability to apply those damage control measures. They did apply them. The failure was in the ability to keep the boat sailing without cracking the hull, or to be more precise, in the choice of boat made to sail that sea.
Wut? John Smedley, is that you? |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:39:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I read that when it was published, when all that was going while I was participating in the commotions. Brandon has his own take on things, his own opinions, his own views. He favors WiS to an extent, and still writes about 'what if's". Excellent columnist, but I don't always agree with his views. I do agree that it was a mix of events, but also all related in many ways, but I disagree that it was any one thing in particular. Each event as it unfolded just boiled the pot a little more. You cant really divorce "greed is good" from WiS, nor from the broken state of EVE at the time, they were interconnected.
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:44:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Webvan wrote:
Wut? John Smedley, is that you?
Even your usage of formal fallacies while posting in the forum with an alt has failed.
huh? This isn't a forum alt. Webvan's got actual SP. So, wrong again...
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Webvan
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:24:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:whilst I am here http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2342Another official CCP source. Quote:CCP acknowledges that the reaction following the leaked internal communication could have been handled better. Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so. I'm starting to flog a dead horse now, Greed is good started the rioting.
A lot of the EVE players would have been oblivious to greed is good if it were not for WiS drawing them all out of the woodwork to complain on the forums. A lot of people actually do not bother with these forums, but it takes an in-game problem to bring them here in force. The summer of rage was just too widespread to be forum regulars, trolls and etc. If there were no WiS, greed is good would have probably been just a blip on the radar, alone. But of course greed is good was linked to WiS, and monocle gate.
I mean if you want to quote Brandon's articles (see my link), then you would need to put the internal memo as a footnote to a bigger issues at hand. The monocle is worn after all, not slotted. As Brandon points out at the end of the first paragraph, it was the development direction in general. He got that right. |
Webvan
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Posted - 2014.05.11 03:34:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:
1) Thanks to the Guristas, pods will no longer be necessary. Valkyrie clones don't need them. Furthermore, because CCP wants the same character to be able to switch between games, it will soon be possible for your character to jump across clone types, not just clones. Dersen could suit up and go on a Legion battlefield, then suit up again and hop in a fighter, then land back in his Ishtar.
We'll presumably still jack right into the ship's computers to keep our edge as commanders, and we'll likely get escape pods, but the rest will no longer be necessary. The pilot in the Odyssey trailer is the capsuleer of the future.
Well technically we already do that, it's not new to games. When you go from WiS to FiS, your WiS character is transformed into a space ship. This is often representative of an 'actor' entry and the info stored on a database.
This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. |
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:07:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:chaos666wraith wrote:I'd like to remind you what real EVE developers have to say about this matter the ones that shelved the project and disbanded team avatar?
Long ago. Currently t0rfifrans looks to be working on ship display models and books (merchandising).
So who are these mysterious devs working hard on WiS currently? Or we just keep regurgitating things from years ago and hope people believe it enough by lack of facts so to keep asking 'when'? Seems a disservice to the community to discuss such things outside of the ideas forum. This isn't something in development, not even an idea discussion, it's simply activism. There are no WiS-haters nor WiS-supporters, from no WiS development, only WiS activists. The topic itself in that sense derives from conflict towards a cause, a potential for trolling by it's very nature. This thread and other WiS threads in GD should really be locked and/or redirected to the ideas forum. |
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:52:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:This thread was made by CCP and they did not want to move it there, because it is GD thread. Ideas were shared earlier in Ideas part of forum, you could make 2 SC games out of those.
Years ago! People act like Devs are still in this conversation. It's only an annoying activist thread now. The dead horse was beat long ago, it decayed and now a tree has grown where it once lay. People are carving little hearts in the tree with 'WiS' inside it, while little kids climb up it's branches. That horse is long since clue! 
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:58:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:If this thread gets locked I'll unsub my account. Because you want to keep up the activism, misleading people to think WiS is being worked on, then get them upset when they realize the truth.
Dude, Hello Kitty Online -------->
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:47:00 -
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molly666trillions wrote:Webvan wrote:Dude, Hello Kitty Online --------> This kitty here will come say hello to you once WiS comes out. I promise it'll be the last word your clone will hear.
Oh! You couldn't be somebodies forum alt 
Way to stick up for yourself for posting horribly outdated quotes to make some pointless point. heh
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:04:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:I wonder why the ISD wont lock this thread, as it has evidently served its purpose.
At bare minimum they should at least remove Dev posts on this thread so they aren't dug up for quoting as if this is all still happening. They remove Dev blog announcements when they become contradictory after a change, so too threads like this should be cleaned up if not locked out. |
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:19:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:And now I see why you are not a member of ISD.
Because they don't do what the Devs do? (clean up dead horse messes)
I'm not saying that is true or not, but that's what you imply.
Tell us more about ISD...
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:38:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Discussion is still open, and your posts are off-topic and you are questioning ISD competences here.
See, a lot you know (and you aught to know better), the topic is moot, it turned to glue long ago as the beaten dead horse it is. Team avatar disbanded, the guy Mr. 666 is quoting is working on merchandising, and there is no prototype for WiS any longer. This thread only serves to confuse people, which in turn gives CCP a bad name, as well as it's majority player-base who put this subject to closure long ago. The thread wasn't created for the purposes of activism, and your constant denial regarding the true status of the subject is but self-serving.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:08:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:ISD can lock this thread any minute.
And they don't becauuuuse... WiS is real! right? ... 
Or they like to laugh at the absurdity of these activist posts... 
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:23:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Webvan wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:ISD can lock this thread any minute. And they don't becauuuuse... WiS is real! right? ... Or they like to laugh at the absurdity of these activist posts... What I don't understand is... if you want this thread to go away, why do you keep posting in it? And why are you so opposed to people engaging in conversation?
Interesting spin, but whether or not I post does not impact the staying power of this thread. We are talking activism here, the activists won't stop posting until they get what they want, no matter how low they need to sink to get it.
Yes, I'm opposed to a conversation that is misdirected through old Dev quotes that are no longer relevant to the topic and presented as if WiS is all fine and still being worked on (read the previous page). It's misleading, and only used to get the unwary player upset after having their hopes raised and then dashed after learning what the rest of us have known for a very long time. All you would have needed to do is read the previous posts to understand that. But then mega-dreadnaughts aren't for reading, eh? just for beating. |
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