It surprises me that you seem so eager to squelch free expression if that's the case. A sandbox functions better if it has a set of defined rules, that's true, but on the forums of all places people like you apply the most rigid definition of "trolling"

OP, you need to have a certain amount of cognitive dissonance apparently and be willing to abandon principles for the sake of your ego.





Are you kidding me?

[quote=Becka Goldbeck]
This isn't a sandbox. It is a discussion forum. We don't take kindly to trolling as it derails threads, sometimes to the point that we can't really get it back on track, so we need to lock it. That in turn creates threads that accuse us of "squelching free expression" that get locked as they violate the rules. This is a vicious circle that is not easily broken.

We are trying, though. I am trying. I ask that you guys try as well and the first step in that trying is to stop berating the ISD's like they are some sort of pinata that you can vent frustrations on. The edit message from Amber you quote is one of them. If something regarding the ISD's appears on the forums, the posters that love to hound them descend into it like vultures to a carrion.

You have the right to post anything you want. If you do so within the rules there is no problem. Pissing and moaning about the volunteer moderators will not be tolerated anymore. There is now an official place to discuss moderation and all of us in the Community Team are watching it. Don't bash, constructively criticize. I believe these posters can so I don't understand why it doesn't happen.

At least this first response wasn't a troll. We need more of these threads.

/c

I never claimed the forums were a sandbox unto itself but as part of the EVE universe, the ISD was espousing that he or she is a passionate veteran of EVE and EVE is a sandbox. A forum is a medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged, where the community comes together outside of the game. This includes ideas which you don't agree with or rub you the wrong way. That is what a forum is supposed to be, you can have yours be about whatever you want (I never claimed you can't).

For instance I'm of the opinion that the laziness of CCP staff lead to this outsourcing and it's ill-advised.

Is this opinion wrong? Maybe. Are you offended by it? Maybe, if you're easily offended by random opinions (which is a distinct possibility considering).

What I'm concerned about it why you think I shouldn't be able to express it.

There are many ways to interpret "trolling" and it seems like CCP and the ISDs have determined it means anything that they don't agree with... or isn't "friendly" enough.

[quote=Becka Goldbeck]

And regarding the trolling. Our forum rules define trolling as "a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. " I myself am not in the habit of removing threads that I don't agree with. I hope to spread that outlook to the rest of the team. To be absolutely clear, I do not know about anyone on the team that thinks it is okay to delete something just because it is on an opposite place in the spectrum of opinions.

Based on that criteria, why are goons and their ilk allowed to post calling high sec players "pubbies", or some other equivalent slur?

That's the least of what they do. Easily the most abrasive and abusive group of players here, but they're CCPs darlings. Therein lies the problem with this entire thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ISD sees all the goons mad at someone and decide the person they're mad at is the one who is causing trouble. Everything is so peaceful as long as everyone just agrees with the goons.