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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.18 12:14:00 -
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My good friend told me about CVA, and that they've been putting my friends in small boxes, as small as one cubic meter. I found this BAD, and I had to take a stand! We can't let people be in boxes any longer!
How would you feel if someone put you in a little box and then made you work alot? No, I didn't think you'd like that idea. We must stop this, as a whole, as a cell, as a union.
I'd always complained about my quarters when I was in low security space, and.. man... I couldn't even stretch my legs all the way out, and I'm not really all that tall and everything.. but I had ALOT more than a meter to spread out and reach up on! Even if like, the cubic meter was spread across an oblonged space, that'd be like a coffin!
Say NO to boxes! Hail Lord Plush! Slavery is bad and people need to be treated with cuddles and dignity!
Support Star Fraction, Free the slaves!
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.18 12:19:00 -
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I totally endorse and support this product or announcement.
... and Plushy is cute 
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.18 12:59:00 -
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I like your style.
I also say NO to slaves.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Prakhgoth
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:36:00 -
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Everyone should abolish slavery. Old customs and religion should not enslave people but rather make them unique and prosperous. Nowadays technology is exploding like a bomb. Robotics,drones,computers... Why are to leave old customs torment people. Say "NO" to slavery. Do not trade with slavers.
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zoolkhan
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 18/03/2005 14:48:06
 Originally by: Aphoxema G
Say NO to boxes! Hail Lord Plush! Slavery is bad and people need to be treated with cuddles and dignity!
*** LONG RANGE RELAY TRANSMISSION - ROUTE SCRAMBLED ***
Yeah, protest against boxes (?) - or join the fight in case
you -like me- cant spare a single inch of humour when
it comes to imprisoning and enslaving my people..
v.Adm. ZoolKhan; U'K Council member.
W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:07:00 -
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Yeah, say no to boxes! Cylinders are FAR more economic! They keep your slaves in mint condition! Buy YOUR Cylinder-o-Slaves(tm) TODAY! Only 29999999.99 ISK EACH! EACH!!!
Disclaimer: I own your eternal soul if you buy a cylinder-o-slave, if you read this announcement, or if you breath. Your statuary rights are not affected, unless I choose they are. Whatever statuary rights are anyway...
Besides, slaves have 3 cubic meters storage space, not 1.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:13:00 -
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So what you minnies and pinko liberals are saying is that keeping slaves in boxes is bad.
If you wish, as an act of benevolence, I shall cease this practice immediately. Although I'm not sure if my slaves will appreciate sleeping out in the open without any protection from the elements.
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Posted - 2005.03.18 17:08:00 -
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Quote:
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Yeah, protest against boxes (?) - or join the fight in case
you -like me- cant spare a single inch of humour when
it comes to imprisoning and enslaving my people..
Well don't mean to be picky Zoolkhan, but if you take a moment to examine her corp and alliance tags you'll notice she is Star Fraction and we have an open and active war-declaration with the force you are exhorting her to fight against. We might well have a sense of humour, but we have guns too, and at the moment those are firing against your enemies so a little civility is only fair.
"Say no to boxes!"
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2005.03.18 18:37:00 -
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A cubic metre is a ridiculous amount of space for a person. In fact, the reception area of our headquarters contains an aquarium which has more room in it. Visitors especially enjoy watching the scavenger antics of Doriam the catfish 
But I digress... down with boxes!
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.18 22:45:00 -
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Aphoxema was pleased with the overall results of her activism. She had been trying to find a way to impress her new friends, and she hoped this would be a good start.
She'd learned to default anything Nero said as just a means as to try to get attention. Admittably, though, everything she said was an attempt to stir attention. While Nero's comment didn't bother her, Zoolkhan's did.
She'd been quite serious in her presentation, and it struck her hard to think an Ushra'Khan, the people she considered joining instead of Jericho Fraction, could denounce her attempt to instill support against slavery as jest.
So, uh... yeah! No boxes! The idea is that it's bad to treat people like objects... I mean, you don't put people you respect in small spaces where they can't get out if they want to. So, I say just skip all the technicalities and just don't keep slaves! See? So much easier.
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NeoThermic
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:26:00 -
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Agreed. Boxes are good and all, but from seeing how much happier Aphoxema is when left to work freely i don't think they're the way forward.
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Knuck
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:59:00 -
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I for one will not stand idly by while these people are oppressed and confined within a hellish nightmare of cardboard and packing tape.
If 'The Man' has now resorted to such cruel and dispicable practices as non-consentual emboxment, then my desire to 'stick it' to him has just increased tenfold.
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Haitchi Allamut
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:55:00 -
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Im confused, if we abolish slavery, who will wash my feet and wax my ships? 
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:17:00 -
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Ohhhh! You're so mean! Stop being mean! Be nice!
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:26:00 -
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<Looks at the message>
I'll buy the boxes from you and sell you back premium 10m3 boxes at 40 times the price. We have a deal?
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Aphoxema G on 19/03/2005 12:27:18
NO! NO BOXES! ><
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:32:00 -
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Dura-plast pyrimids?
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:41:00 -
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Maybe.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:47:00 -
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\o/
They are self cleaning and can survie drops from 20 stories!
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:48:00 -
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Just as long as there aren't people in them.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:54:00 -
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Er
<adjusts himself>
Of course my dear, I would never take advantage of people in such away.
<looks aways and coughs and whispers something about tetrihedons being more efficent>
With these you could transport..
<looks at his desk and picks up a report pad>
Reports, lots and lots of reports. Why each report would only take 0.5 meters...coned?
<sighs and ejects the load into space and gives Aphoxema a dashing smile>
No Boxes
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.03.19 18:33:00 -
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I find this entire topic quite disturbing and it seems to me many of the those supporting this idea, espcially the one who came up with it has been stuck in a box a bit too long already..
Slaves in a box... what a rediculus idea. Everyone knows putting slaves in boxes causes them to die, and even worse create a terrible smell, that other slaves have to endure while cleaning up the mess.
Of the tens of thousands of slaves I lord over I find that mass storage systems of "tiny rooms" are best for them, enough space for them to sleep horizontally, with a locked door, and then large communal washing and eating facilites does the job quite well, they ever can hold onto their "tribal" life style by sharing so much space.
A box you say... quite rediculus.....
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Posted - 2005.03.19 18:59:00 -
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Your all nuts, you know that? Give up slaves, imagen that...
Must be the cheap boosters... 
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.19 23:29:00 -
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Yeah! No slaves! That's kinda the point, in like.. one'a those, uh, roundabout ways. You can use boxes for much better things, trust me... Hell! Ya'can use your CARGOHOLD for much better things!
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Daphne Moon
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Daphne Moon on 20/03/2005 01:38:45
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Must be the cheap boosters...
There are cheap boosters? Where? WHERE?
TELL ME WHERE, DAMN IT!
I'm, um, asking for a friend, I can quit any time I like...
Edit: Oh yeah, and say no to, um, them things
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:11:00 -
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Yeah, I know what you mean... my friend can quit anytime she wants, too. For reals and everything. And my friend can't find any cheap either, and she's gettin' low... so I need to go get more. I mean. More for her, cause she's too tired to go get it... cause I don't do drugs, at all. *looks around nervously*
At all.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:22:00 -
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Aphoxema G, have you met Captain Mordax Ibrium? I think the two of you would be a match made in Heaven.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.20 12:09:00 -
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Yes, he's really nice.. but he's kinda crazy. 
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.20 13:38:00 -
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Obviously this is more Minmatar propoganda at work. Putting slaves in boxes is completely against SPCS policy. While slaves are recommended a minimum of 1.0 m3 this is a minimum. I myself us the much more generous 3.0 m3 living module for my slaves. Featuring a desk, chair, bed with padding of 1/2" (again in excess of SPCS guidelines) as well as speaker system for religious eduction and non-sharp edges to prevent the slave from injurying itself the modules are a big seller in Amarr.
Clearly this "box conspiracy" is just that a wild conspiracy theory brought forth by Minmatar criminals seeking to taint our good works.
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Haitchi Allamut
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Posted - 2005.03.20 14:08:00 -
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thats sounds about right, i mean, what use are slaves if their in boxes? 
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Haratu
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Posted - 2005.03.20 14:30:00 -
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Last time I checked it was not allowed by Amarrian policy to put living creatures inside boxes as they suffocate and die.
I do notice however that Minmatars are happy to destroy ships so that slaves are left floating in small boxes.
How cruel.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.03.20 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kendar Zek
Aphoxema G, have you met Captain Mordax Ibrium? I think the two of you would be a match made in Heaven.
*Waves to Kendar*
You're so right!
I must pass it on to Mordax that stories of his insanity have travelled outwards into the laughing stars beyond.
*Clears his throat*
NO TO BOXES!
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.03.20 15:25:00 -
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I actually tried these boxes you speak of, and I was stunned to find out I could fit 7 of them in one box.
Many thanks for the good tip of using boxes to move slaves . You just saved me a bundle.
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Bastables
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Posted - 2005.03.21 05:36:00 -
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Say yes to boxes, the new vitoc!
For God, Empire, and Sarum. |
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Posted - 2005.03.21 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bastables on 21/03/2005 06:00:41
Due to realising that there is a market for boxes I offer you
Wild new Sarum Boxes, not Khanid, not Ammatar, but an entirely new and different slave storage treat that's waking up the Empire. Wake up to Sarum and be wild!
Safe when operated as directed,
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bastables
Edited by: Bastables on 21/03/2005 06:00:41
Due to realising that there is a market for boxes I offer you
Wild new Sarum Boxes, not Khanid, not Ammatar, but an entirely new and different slave storage treat that's waking up the Empire. Wake up to Sarum and be wild!
Safe when operated as directed,
I would be very interested in inspecting these accomodation units. If they are as good as you say, and conform to SPCS standards, I might be interested in a bulk order of around five hundred of them.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
*Waves to Kendar*
You're so right!
I must pass it on to Mordax that stories of his insanity have travelled outwards into the laughing stars beyond.
*Clears his throat*
NO TO BOXES!
I have always enjoyed Captain Ibrium's brand of lunacy. It has been a long time since I've spoken to him, but I hope he is doing well.
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Vera Liskrii
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Posted - 2005.03.21 10:04:00 -
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I like boxes ... especially when there's cake inside; of course, slaves don't taste as nice as cake so I can see why you don't like boxes. Imagine finding a box that you thought was full of cake, only to find it's actually full of human ... 
"Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are" - Vera Liskrii, Goddess of Ni-Kunni Cuisine |
Bastables
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Posted - 2005.03.21 10:55:00 -
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1st mockup of advert for new sleek Sarum Boxed Slaves.
Watch this space for new features!
For God, Empire, and Sarum. |
Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.21 11:01:00 -
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Oh, man.. Bastables... that's kinda mean, but I can't help but to be drawn to your offer through your incredible advertising! I'll buy two, but I want you to free them instead of delivering them! And if you have to deliver them, then I'll free them instead, but I'd rather you did it so I don't have to be a middleman.
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Posted - 2005.03.21 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bastables on 21/03/2005 11:51:15
You cannot free boxed slaves, it's bad.
There are three rules and the third rule is: Never, never, leave them out of the box for 24hr. Bad things will happen, chaos. blood, fields of the lord.
Remember these slaves are stored in a small dark place, they start talking to themselves... Use as directed.
It's not the same but, for you, buy two get one free.
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Posted - 2005.03.21 12:42:00 -
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Ehm, am I seeing boxed slaves as a collectors item, there?
Boxes can be fun though, or what do you think Aphox cutie?
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.21 19:57:00 -
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Boxes are scary.
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Cerryh
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:30:00 -
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You think so? Had recent bad experiences?
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.23 00:49:00 -
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*looks in irritation at Cerryh, narrowing her eyes*
I may have.
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Posted - 2005.03.23 15:24:00 -
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I have a box specifically set aside for Lord Plush.
I have one for you too.
In arduis fidelis
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.23 15:34:00 -
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*stares at Jobe a moment, and then breaking out in sudden tears*
You're mean... 
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Posted - 2005.03.23 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
*stares at Jobe a moment, and then breaking out in sudden tears*
You're mean...
*Passes some tissues*
Ignore him - he can't box you as long as you fly free.
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Posted - 2005.03.23 16:47:00 -
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*Smiles*
Yeah, I'm'a beat him bleen if he messes with me.
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:14:00 -
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I'm coming for you Aphoxema. I'm coming for you and Lord Plush. Time to teach you the reality of that which you would suborn.
Enlightenment takes many forms.
In arduis fidelis
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Cerryh
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:28:00 -
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You will not box my corp mates. I won't let you take away my fun...
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:49:00 -
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Mmmm... Jobe? EAT JAM! HAH!
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Posted - 2005.03.25 02:44:00 -
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SAY NO TO BOXES!
Say YES to chairs! 
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Posted - 2005.03.28 13:57:00 -
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yes to boxes
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Skilari
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Posted - 2005.03.28 14:15:00 -
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boxes are good for many thing. they can store things or be use as an home for the homeless. SO I say yes to Boxes
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Sentriax
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Posted - 2005.03.28 21:18:00 -
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I too oppose Box use for storage of slaves, and wish to help abolish the wretched Amarrian slave practices.
I feel the only way to successfully accomplish this is by abolishing the entire Amarrian race!
Lets see how funny they think it is when their fat toes stick out at odd angles from the boxes, cylinders, or spheroids.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.03.28 21:26:00 -
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I say no to storage of slaves in boxes, and I say no to slavery at large, but I still feel that Star Fraction's cause against slavery is, to say the least, inconsistent and disingenuous.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.28 21:52:00 -
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Do you have any idea how often I have to point out that Star Fraction isn't directly against slavery?
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:06:00 -
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hmmmm, well I think slavery sucks to be honest. But I'm not convinced that joining Archbishops merry slave care committee is the way of best getting rid of it. The problem's at the top. I think we should probably shoot the emperor and chief cleric and get Athule to announce that Slavery is heretical. But seriously, its one of those things that you can either confront a few ships at a time (like the Ushra'Khan) or by hitting at the state infrastructure for the big money-shot and universal revolution. Both approaches have plus and minus points.
The majority of Star Fraction agrees that state slavery is wrong. But we also agree that an alliance philosophy can't overrule individual choice of worship or we'd be going down the same dogmatic dead end as the empires we oppose. End of the day slavery is just a sign of the disease of nation states and territorialism and all that rot about appearing important cos you control other people.
Me I'd rather feel important because of my own life rather than the oppression I've brought to a few thousand others.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:55:00 -
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Star Fraction opposes first and foremost the slavery imposed on virtually all of humanity by the current hierarchical, territorialist structure of all the empires and the spillover of these outdated and outmoded mindsets into the areas outside the current empires, where the hierarchical/territorialist paradigm has largely been replicated by various groups. The practice of human slavery is but a manifestation of this more pervasive problem and, as such, is not our beef as an *alliance* per se, regardless of the personal opinions of some of our number, including myself. Our quarrel with CVA is not about human slavery in itself, but rather with CVA's efforts to extend the political and cultural influence of one of the empires (together with tha associated hierarchical and territorialist structures and mindsets) into 0.0 space which, to our way of thinking, is something that must be resisted and fought against in order for humanity to move into the next phase of its development and break free of the stranglehold of fundamentally outmoded ways of thinking. Bringing the practice of human slavery to 0.0 space is simply an external manifestation of this effort to "empirize" 0.0 space, and it's mainly for this reason that we find ourselves at odds with CVA.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Skinman on 29/03/2005 01:57:33
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Star Fraction opposes first and foremost the slavery imposed on virtually all of humanity by the current hierarchical, territorialist structure of all the empires and the spillover of these outdated and outmoded mindsets into the areas outside the current empires, where the hierarchical/territorialist paradigm has largely been replicated by various groups.
The are some decidiely suspicious statments eminating from SF these days, that seem to contradict everything thay have said before.
Let me give you an example..
Originally by: Aphoxema G (taken from the Anti-Box thread
Do you have any idea how often I have to point out that Star Fraction isn't directly against slavery?
After careful consideration, I can assume that SF's half hearted push at the CVA stems from internal issues, and not any actually relating to freetrade enforced in lawless space, or, infact, the 500 slaves (given as a mark of respect and thanks) that are currently in the CVA's posession.
Your alliance is splintering, your forces are scattered and ill equiped for this war, spiritualy, mentaly and in terms of equipment (need I mention Lord Plush?).
You have my pity, and I can only pray that you see the follies of your path before God Himself judges you.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 29/03/2005 02:10:19
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The are some decidiely suspicious statments eminating from SF these days, that seem to contradict everything thay have said before.
I think the operative word there is SEEM something tells me you didn't read the article our Executor gave to Soleil Sarrasin that made it all pretty clear.
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After careful consideration, I can assume that SF's half hearted push at the CVA stems from internal issues, and not any actually relating to freetrade enforced in lawless space, or, infact, the 500 slaves (given as a mark of respect and thanks) that are currently in the CVA's posession.
Well I think you are partially right but then again I thought we always made clear it was about the imperialist expansion into 0.0. Some people (CVA included) decided it was all about 500 slaves because it makes for a better spin. Of course as is the way of these things its much more complicated in reality.
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Your alliance is splintering, your forces are scattered and ill equiped for this war, spiritualy, mentaly and in terms of equipment (need I mention Lord Plush?).
Hmmmm, interesting analysis, but then we weren't the first alliance to yield to the pressure of bringing in external mercenary support were we?
And really Skinman, its only just started you know. The Great Northern War lasted nine months and we've been fighting what two weeks? Once your mercs are out of the way I'm sure matters will become much more exciting.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:34:00 -
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"Hmmmm, interesting analysis, but then we weren't the first alliance to yield to the pressure of bringing in external mercenary support were we?"
The CVA does NOT hire outside mercenaries. End of discussion. If you have ANY evidence to the contrary please present it so I can personally chew someone out. I have NEVER known CVA to hire mercenaries and will NEVER support their use on a preemptive basis.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
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"Hmmmm, interesting analysis, but then we weren't the first alliance to yield to the pressure of bringing in external mercenary support were we?"
The CVA does NOT hire outside mercenaries. End of discussion. If you have ANY evidence to the contrary please present it so I can personally chew someone out. I have NEVER known CVA to hire mercenaries and will NEVER support their use on a preemptive basis.
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Well if you didn't hire them Archbishop that leaves a couple of options. Either KIA might be telling fibs or perhaps somebody in the Amarri establishment isn't as confident as CVA about your combat prowess and the eventual outcome of this conflict. Either which way it does leave the analysis that we are crumbling and doomed a little shakey. Why would somebody friendly to the CVA hire mercs to fight an already doomed alliance? Seems a bit strange you must admit.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:53:00 -
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Perhaps. Or perhaps someone is just scrambleing for an excuse to attack you. Not that your freespace Ideals do not give plenty of reason.
We did not hire these mercenaries. I personally am incredibly insulted both that you think we would and at this 'employer's' audacity in bringing the CVA into what looks to me like a private vendetta.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Perhaps. Or perhaps someone is just scrambleing for an excuse to attack you. Not that your freespace Ideals do not give plenty of reason. We did not hire these mercenaries. I personally am incredibly insulted both that you think we would and at this 'employer's' audacity in bringing the CVA into what looks to me like a private vendetta.
Well the words delivered on their employers behalf do look pretty damning mr Lok'ri.
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KIA have been legally hired under all laws of the mercenary guilds to serve the agenda of my organization. ISK is not a concern and KIA will remain in our employ until that agenda is met to our satisfaction. Other mercenary forces are also being contracted at this time to meet the inevitable outcome of this agenda. There is one way to avoid this current and soon to be escalating military pressure.
End your hostilities towards the Curatores Veritatis Alliance. Though not affiliated with the CVA in any form, my organization recognizes the Amarrian peoples right to exersize thier cultural rights as they see fit. The SFs audacity to impose their medling Gallentean cultural values on another race sickens us. Especially when that imposition is forced upon others in the form of an act of war.
Could it be that Holder Marin Ankigher is trying to help you out because he perceives that the CVA is having trouble supressing a bunch of anarchists and rich kids with flashy ships?
Certainly seems to be one of your supporters suffering from a lack of faith in the capabilities of the Golden Fleet Gaven.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Kador on 29/03/2005 03:47:04
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Hmmmm, interesting analysis, but then we weren't the first alliance to yield to the pressure of bringing in external mercenary support were we?
The CVA does not hire mercenaries.
Repeat until you understand that one basic fact, then bury your booster induced conspiracy theory and burn at the end of our righteous lasers like a true warrior.
Fight us, show us your defiance, not your lack of code and style.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Hmmmm, interesting analysis, but then we weren't the first alliance to yield to the pressure of bringing in external mercenary support were we?
The CVA does not hire mercenaries.
Maybe so, but someone out there hire's them for you.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:52:00 -
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Could be....
OR, Quote:
The SFs audacity to impose their medling Gallentean cultural values on another race sickens us.
You honestly think that your audacity can only offend 'frumpy' Amarrians.
Sometimes, when someone sees a nose too far in the air, they simply have an urge to see it bloodied.
Your options seem to be:
A: Find an Ally who can actually tolerate you
B: Win some battles once in a while
C: Stem your flatulent oral flow and self-idolization
D: Cope
I'm recommending 'D'. Be aware that my opinion may be somewhat biased.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Could be....
OR, Quote:
The SFs audacity to impose their medling Gallentean cultural values on another race sickens us.
You honestly think that your audacity can only offend 'frumpy' Amarrians.
Sometimes, when someone sees a nose too far in the air, they simply have an urge to see it bloodied.
Your options seem to be:
A: Find an Ally who can actually tolerate you
B: Win some battles once in a while
C: Stem your flatulent oral flow and self-idolization
D: Cope
I'm recommending 'D'. Be aware that my opinion may be somewhat biased.
Given the demand specifically asks for the CVA wardec to be relinquished I'm betting it was a CVA sympathiser Graelyn. Call it a hunch!
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.03.29 05:02:00 -
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*puts a cigarette to his lips*
Wasn't me. I've done my part in this conflict.
*lights it with a slight smirk*
Unless you decide to try entering Providence again. Stay out and you'll have no trouble from us. Enter and our guns await.
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Leon G'ujce
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Posted - 2005.03.29 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Enter and our guns await.
..Loaded with cake?
Cake is nice... But pie is better.. no wait.."pie is better"? What am I saying?
I was.. uh.. I mean.
SayNotoboxes,theyareevil!
Yeah! Boxes are evil!
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Posted - 2005.03.29 09:28:00 -
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I don't think cake or PIE could do more than dirty your hull a bit... Heeeyuck.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Unless you decide to try entering Providence again. Stay out and you'll have no trouble from us. Enter and our guns await.
This will be a long conflict - haven't you gathered that part yet? We don't do "2 week wars" *sighs*
All the chest beating and posturing is quite boring. The Great Northern War went on for 9 months. We were still patrolling, fighting and busting gate camps in Pure Blind on the day we declared on the CVA.
We have no problem fighting long term in Providence and our logistics team is just starting to gear up for that...
We don't even need to be sneaky about it since we have the firepower to back up our words.
*Lights his cigar*
See you in Providence - RealSoonÖ
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:29:00 -
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My dad had somethin' to say 'bout that... how'd that ole' punt say it? 'You can't win a war when you've forgetten how it started'... or something.
He was gettin' kinda 'senile' before he died, but I think he had a point.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 19:00:04
Originally by: Skinman
After careful consideration, I can assume that SF's half hearted push at the CVA stems from internal issues, and not any actually relating to freetrade enforced in lawless space, or, infact, the 500 slaves (given as a mark of respect and thanks) that are currently in the CVA's posession.
No, not at all, actually. Jade Constantine explained it quite aptly in her Galnet interview prior to the commencement of hostilities.
We are not about "freetrade".
Nor are we about policing "lawless space".
We are about moving humanity beyond the encrusted, outmoded hierarchical/territorialist outlook that underlies both the empires and, regrettably, much of the groups who have entered 0.0, recreating their own pseudo-states in imitation of these self-same outmoded models.
We believe 0.0 space to present a historic opportunity to move humanity to the next phase of its development, and we struggle against efforts to convert it to yet more space existing within the pre-ordained and outmoded hierarchical/territorial framework -- you see that as "ordered", while we see it as dangerously outmoded, reactionary and fundamentally anti-progressive in that it creates and perpetuates an obstacle to the further development of humanity. The actions of the CVA relating to the Sebiestor 500 are a strong indication of the CVA's intentions for 0.0 space, and as such we resist them and fight against them.
All of this was made perfectly clear by Jade Constantine in her interview. So we are neither fragmented nor half-hearted, but remain focused on the underlying reasons for our conflict as one of us explained prior to the beginning of this war.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 19:00:04
Originally by: Skinman
After careful consideration, I can assume that SF's half hearted push at the CVA stems from internal issues, and not any actually relating to freetrade enforced in lawless space, or, infact, the 500 slaves (given as a mark of respect and thanks) that are currently in the CVA's posession.
No, not at all, actually. Jade Constantine explained it quite aptly in her Galnet interview prior to the commencement of hostilities.
We are not about "freetrade".
Are you about tariffs and taxes then?
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Nor are we about policing "lawless space".
So what will you do about pirates should you ever acheive your aims?
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We are about moving humanity beyond the encrusted, outmoded hierarchical/territorialist outlook that underlies both the empires and, regrettably, much of the groups who have entered 0.0, recreating their own pseudo-states in imitation of these self-same outmoded models.
We believe 0.0 space to present a historic opportunity to move humanity to the next phase of its development, and we struggle against efforts to convert it to yet more space existing within the pre-ordained and outmoded hierarchical/territorial framework -- you see that as "ordered", while we see it as dangerously outmoded, reactionary and fundamentally anti-progressive in that it creates and perpetuates an obstacle to the further development of humanity.
We also seek an end to the balkanisation of space. We also seek a new age of human endeavour. We seek only to enlighten those less fortunate than ourselves, and raise them up so that they can be closer to God. I dream of a day when humanity is united with one cause.
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The actions of the CVA relating to the Sebiestor 500 are a strong indication of the CVA's intentions for 0.0 space, and as such we resist them and fight against them.
I fail to see how slaves awarded to us in Imperial space, as a thank you for our activities in Imperial space have any relevance to our policies regarding 0.0 rated space.
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All of this was made perfectly clear by Jade Constantine in her interview.
Jade Constantine making things clear? It would be easier for a fish to run a marathon.
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So we are neither fragmented nor half-hearted, but remain focused on the underlying reasons for our conflict as one of us explained prior to the beginning of this war.
Not fragmented? Not half-hearted? That would be why two of your member corporations have left your alliance, and a third refuses to fight us then. I guess it would also be why a member of JF has contacted us informally on two occasions to discuss ways of ending this war.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I guess it would also be why a member of JF has contacted us informally on two occasions to discuss ways of ending this war.
How incredibly ridiculous. All we have to do to end the war, should we choose to, is stop paying the CONCORD fees.
There is no end to your delusions.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I guess it would also be why a member of JF has contacted us informally on two occasions to discuss ways of ending this war.
How incredibly ridiculous. All we have to do to end the war, should we choose to, is stop paying the CONCORD fees.
Yes, that's pretty much what we told her
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:10:00 -
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Lol mr Blake, I think you might be better off just fighting the war rather than struggling with philosophical niceties, you seem like a solid dependable sort but donÆt give up the day job and start teaching political theory thereÆs a good fellow.
Trying to debate the foundation of Star Fraction ideals by asking yes/no questions on single concepts is like trying to learn the language of ducks by going ôhonkö and flapping your elbows. Why not just come and read the manifesto or better yet come to Yulai and talk to Star Fraction members about it while we are dancing around the safe-spots waiting for the fleet sizes to adjust in our favour.
As for my cousinÆs language, well she confuses all of us sometimes donÆt feel bad but sheÆs basically saying (in that interview) û We think all the old empire societies are slavers and itÆs the system that does the slavery, whether it be money, possessions, status or relative importance that makes one man call another his master. You CVA are trying to expand that twisted system into the frontier and make the new societies there the same as the old. ThatÆs why weÆre shooting you.
As for fragmented and half-hearted, well, Glamour Bunnies are non-violent and donÆt fight wars so chose to leave to continue their public works without getting vaporised as collateral damage. Tenax merged with Jericho. Throne Worlds didnÆt want to fight you and voted against. As for whether Jericho members have talked to you privately why shouldnÆt they? ItÆs a free speech corp and nobody gets forced to fight with a gun to their head.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Random People Saying Stuff Aphox Doesn't Care About
Blah blah blah.
Hey... Shut up! Start talkin' about.. fun stuff. More 'say "No!" no boxes' and less 'blah blah blah'!
New topic: Jellybeans.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:27:00 -
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You quote and raise on a pedestal the opinions of one Holder.
You don't give a damn about this Holder, his status, whether his opinion matters, or even what the words WERE.
You care that they served to further the agenda of your chosen collective.
This is an indicator of something much deeper, namely the true reason why Star Fraction's dream will fail. I've read your works, your treaties on the plight of mankind, the fallacy of governmental and class boundaries, on and on. I guess I just like to read. It's quite inspiring, except for it's fatal flaw.
A flaw that is seemingly so hard to grasp, yet so painfully obvious when your eyes open. Oddly enough it has nothing to do with God whatsoever.
Care to wager a guess?
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Lol mr Blake, I think you might be better off just fighting the war rather than struggling with philosophical niceties, you seem like a solid dependable sort but donÆt give up the day job and start teaching political theory thereÆs a good fellow.
I dream of a day when political theory is dead, becasue there are no politics. I dream of a world where mankind is united in common purpose and internal strife is a thing of the past. Can you say the same thing?
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Trying to debate the foundation of Star Fraction ideals by asking yes/no questions on single concepts is like trying to learn the language of ducks by going ôhonkö and flapping your elbows.
A wise man once said that if you cannot explain even the most complex of concepts to a ten year old, then you do not understand it properly. Your big words do look impressive, but all they ultimately acheive is to reveal your woolly thinking.
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Why not just come and read the manifesto or better yet come to Yulai and talk to Star Fraction members about it while we are dancing around the safe-spots waiting for the fleet sizes to adjust in our favour.
I have read your manifesto. And as impressive as it was, I could see little relationship between it and your actual activities.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Are you about tariffs and taxes then?
No, but our objective is not free trade or antitax in itself. These are natural byproducts, but not goals in themselves.
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So what will you do about pirates should you ever acheive your aims?
Fight them, as we have. But we do not believe in creating a self-appointed police force which, in effect, serves to enslave those who feel powerless to defend themselves. Our way is to empower everyone to defend themselves so as to prevent them from being in effect enslaved by their would-be protectors.
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We seek only to enlighten those less fortunate than ourselves, and raise them up so that they can be closer to God. I dream of a day when humanity is united with one cause.
We envision freedom in diversity, not a forced unity under the God of one race.
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I fail to see how slaves awarded to us in Imperial space, as a thank you for our activities in Imperial space have any relevance to our policies regarding 0.0 rated space.
You are based in R3. You seek to expand Amarri ideals -- which we see as equally flawed as those of all the other empires, mind you -- into that space. The award of the slaves was simply a confirmation of this reality, because the practice of human slavery is a hallmark of the Amarr Empire. I am not aware of any cordoning off of your claimed space in Providence from Amarri law ... does Amarri law apply there or not? To the extent that it does, then you are de facto an expansion of Amarr, and what you do in Empire space can be rightly inferred to spill over into your claimed space in Providence. Or perhaps you can confirm for us that in R3 and your other claimed systems that Amarr law does not apply, and the Sebiestor 500 are forbidden from being transported out of Empire space? If that is not the case, then where the slaves were handed to CVA is completely irrelevant.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 20:58:45
Originally by: Graelyn
You quote and raise on a pedestal the opinions of one Holder.
You don't give a damn about this Holder, his status, whether his opinion matters, or even what the words WERE.
You care that they served to further the agenda of your chosen collective.
No, actually I am curious about how CVA may justify its defiance of the Empire if it comes to that. As for the Holder in question, it's fascinating how is stock has risen and fallen in the past few weeks in the eyes of certain Amarri paramilitary groups. One would have thought, for example, that the certainty of faith would lead to a commonality of perspective, but alas according to Galnet reports this appears not to be the case.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 20:58:45
Originally by: Graelyn
You quote and raise on a pedestal the opinions of one Holder.
You don't give a damn about this Holder, his status, whether his opinion matters, or even what the words WERE.
You care that they served to further the agenda of your chosen collective.
No, actually I am curious about how CVA may justify its defiance of the Empire if it comes to that.
You seem confused. A single holder is not the Empire. As has previously been pointed out, there are countless holders throughout the Empire (myself included). We could only defy the Empire, by defying the Emperor. Since he or his representatives have yet to speak on this matter, we can hardly be said to be in defiance. Of course, were the Emperor to tell us to negotiate with theiving terrorist dogs, we would do so instantly.
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As for the Holder in question, it's fascinating how is stock has risen and fallen in the past few weeks in the eyes of certain Amarri paramilitary groups.
On the contrary, I have real respect for him.
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One would have thought, for example, that the certainty of faith would lead to a commonality of perspective, but alas according to Galnet reports this appears not to be the case.
Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean that we do not agree with each other.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 21:18:01
Originally by: Rodj Blake
You seem confused. A single holder is not the Empire. As has previously been pointed out, there are countless holders throughout the Empire (myself included). We could only defy the Empire, by defying the Emperor. Since he or his representatives have yet to speak on this matter, we can hardly be said to be in defiance. Of course, were the Emperor to tell us to negotiate with theiving terrorist dogs, we would do so instantly.
No I am aware of his position in the Empire, which is why my musings were phrased as "if it comes to that", implying that it has not yet, in fact, come to that. Thanks for your clarification of your position vis-a-vis the Empire -- I assume that therefore in your view CVA answers to no other Amarri authority other than the Emperor himself? In any case, I'll continue to watch this situation with interest.
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Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean that we do not agree with each other.
Oh, but you don't agree with Holder Ankhiger in this matter, at least:
Originally by: Holder Ankhiger
Let me clear up now and for ever that the value of the medal far exceeds the sentimental attachment to my former slaves that the CVA might have. The medal is not merely a reward for bringing prosperity to a region of the Empire, like my former slaves are; it is an artifact of great historical value and as such, considering abandoning it is abhorrent. To our Empire, history is much more important then mere slaves. We can always breed new ones, whereas our history is an integral part of our being.
Does not Holder Ankhiger here implore CVA to exchange the slaves for the relic? It seems to me that any other interpretation of his own words would be, at best, a tortured one.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:24:00 -
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I though the one point everyone agreed on was that the Holder and CVA do NOT agree.
You are one repetitive little creature. 
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 21:32:48
Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 21:30:07
Originally by: Graelyn
I though the one point everyone agreed on was that the Holder and CVA do NOT agree.
You are one repetitive little creature.
Oh, actually I was responding to the words of your countryman, to wit:
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Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean that we do not agree with each other.
It was implied that the writer was not in disagreement with Holder Ankhiger ... but which is it? *shrugs* As I said above, I would have thought that on a matter as important as your own national press seems to report, there would be more unity among the Ammari posting here and those referred to in the article, so I was perplexed by the response to be honest.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/03/2005 21:48:05
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/03/2005 21:45:58
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 21:18:01
Originally by: Rodj Blake
You seem confused. A single holder is not the Empire. As has previously been pointed out, there are countless holders throughout the Empire (myself included). We could only defy the Empire, by defying the Emperor. Since he or his representatives have yet to speak on this matter, we can hardly be said to be in defiance. Of course, were the Emperor to tell us to negotiate with theiving terrorist dogs, we would do so instantly.
No I am aware of his position in the Empire, which is why my musings were phrased as "if it comes to that", implying that it has not yet, in fact, come to that. Thanks for your clarification of your position vis-a-vis the Empire -- I assume that therefore in your view CVA answers to no other Amarri authority other than the Emperor himself? In any case, I'll continue to watch this situation with interest.
The Emperor is the ultimate secular authority within the Empire. As such we obey both him and his representatives, which includes senior government officials acting in their official capacity.
We also strive to obey religious authority within the Empire as represented by the Theology Council and others.
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Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean that we do not agree with each other.
Oh, but you don't agree with Holder Ankhiger in this matter, at least:
Originally by: Holder Ankhiger
Let me clear up now and for ever that the value of the medal far exceeds the sentimental attachment to my former slaves that the CVA might have. The medal is not merely a reward for bringing prosperity to a region of the Empire, like my former slaves are; it is an artifact of great historical value and as such, considering abandoning it is abhorrent. To our Empire, history is much more important then mere slaves. We can always breed new ones, whereas our history is an integral part of our being.
Does not Holder Ankhiger here implore CVA to exchange the slaves for the relic? It seems to me that any other interpretation of his own words would be, at best, a tortured one.
He did indeed implore us to negotiate. He is entitled to his opinion, as is every other holder. Note that your original comment seemed to claim that there were disagreements within the CVA. Holder Ankhiger is not a part of the CVA, and as such my comments are entirely consistent.
I hope that this clears things up for you.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau
You are based in R3. You seek to expand Amarri ideals -- which we see as equally flawed as those of all the other empires, mind you -- into that space. The award of the slaves was simply a confirmation of this reality, because the practice of human slavery is a hallmark of the Amarr Empire. I am not aware of any cordoning off of your claimed space in Providence from Amarri law ... does Amarri law apply there or not? To the extent that it does, then you are de facto an expansion of Amarr, and what you do in Empire space can be rightly inferred to spill over into your claimed space in Providence. Or perhaps you can confirm for us that in R3 and your other claimed systems that Amarr law does not apply, and the Sebiestor 500 are forbidden from being transported out of Empire space? If that is not the case, then where the slaves were handed to CVA is completely irrelevant.
I would first point out that the move into upper providence is not a move of our base of operations. Our base of operations is and has always been the Amarr Empire. The area of lower domain from Misaba to Kheram was lawless and a drain on Imperial resources as it was completely dominated by Pirates. We moved in and forced those pirates out of the area of lower domain, but to keep them out we needed to control access into domain from the areas of pirate infested space you so... illogically call fresspace. (as that space is less free than the Empires space this makes little sence to me). The control exerted upon upper providence allows us to destroy many threats to the Amarr Empire before they would reach said empire. If a hostile is destroyed in R3 those in Domain are safe, if he is destroyed in domain the risk of collateral damage and of the pirate finding his target is much higher. This defence of the Amarr Empire was the cause of the gift from the Holder of Mamet. It was NOT due to the buffer zone in upper providence, but rather due to the effects of said buffer zone in that now the Deliverance corridor is bustling with more trade and people than it has been since before the explosion of pod pilot piracy a couple years ago.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/03/2005 21:48:05
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/03/2005 21:45:58
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 29/03/2005 21:18:01
Originally by: Rodj Blake
You seem confused. A single holder is not the Empire. As has previously been pointed out, there are countless holders throughout the Empire (myself included). We could only defy the Empire, by defying the Emperor. Since he or his representatives have yet to speak on this matter, we can hardly be said to be in defiance. Of course, were the Emperor to tell us to negotiate with theiving terrorist dogs, we would do so instantly.
No I am aware of his position in the Empire, which is why my musings were phrased as "if it comes to that", implying that it has not yet, in fact, come to that. Thanks for your clarification of your position vis-a-vis the Empire -- I assume that therefore in your view CVA answers to no other Amarri authority other than the Emperor himself? In any case, I'll continue to watch this situation with interest.
The Emperor is the ultimate secular authority within the Empire. As such we obey both him and his representatives, which includes senior government officials acting in their official capacity.
We also strive to obey religious authority within the Empire as represented by the Theology Council and others.
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Just because we do not agree with you, does not mean that we do not agree with each other.
Oh, but you don't agree with Holder Ankhiger in this matter, at least:
Originally by: Holder Ankhiger
Let me clear up now and for ever that the value of the medal far exceeds the sentimental attachment to my former slaves that the CVA might have. The medal is not merely a reward for bringing prosperity to a region of the Empire, like my former slaves are; it is an artifact of great historical value and as such, considering abandoning it is abhorrent. To our Empire, history is much more important then mere slaves. We can always breed new ones, whereas our history is an integral part of our being.
Does not Holder Ankhiger here implore CVA to exchange the slaves for the relic? It seems to me that any other interpretation of his own words would be, at best, a tortured one.
He did indeed implore us to negotiate. He is entitled to his opinion, as is every other holder. Note that your original comment seemed to claim that there were disagreements within the CVA. Holder Ankhiger is not a part of the CVA, and as such my comments are entirely consistent.
I hope that this clears things up for you.
Thanks for clearing that up. I did not mean to imply that CVA has internal disagreements, but merely that you may be out of step with some of what the Amarri press is reporting as elite opinion in the Empire.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.29 22:49:00 -
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Thats not so much the Amarran press, but rather the Amarran section of the intergalactic press. Its a slight distinction perhaps... but an important one.
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Vera Liskrii
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Posted - 2005.03.30 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
New topic: Jellybeans.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Jellybeans are like the coolest thing EVER! They sit in the bag in all their beanie goodness just begging to be eaten. And every one is like a little surprise waiting to be discovered. If anybody doesn't like jellybeans they are either crazy, stupid, or both. Ok, enough talk about jellybeans, I'm gonna go get some and eat them now.
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
but to keep them out we needed to control access into domain from the areas of pirate infested space you so... illogically call fresspace. (as that space is less free than the Empires space this makes little sence to me). The control exerted upon upper providence allows us to destroy many threats to the Amarr Empire before they would reach said empire. If a hostile is destroyed in R3 those in Domain are safe, if he is destroyed in domain the risk of collateral damage and of the pirate finding his target is much higher. This defence of the Amarr Empire was the cause of the gift from the Holder of Mamet. It was NOT due to the buffer zone in upper providence, but rather due to the effects of said buffer zone in that now the Deliverance corridor is bustling with more trade and people than it has been since before the explosion of pod pilot piracy a couple years ago.
And here is where we disagree.
It is all well and good to rid the area of pirates, but in our view the way to sustain this is not to develop and institutionalize a paramilitary force on which the local population and commerce depends for protection, because this is simply a clone of the existing situation in Empire space ... a situation that is "safe" and yet renders everyone dependent upon those who keep them safe. Our vision is for everyone to be empowered to defend themselves and, if needed, to cooperate on a free association basis, where everyone is capable of participating in the defence and is beholden to no organisation or group to ensure their safety. We value independence and individual action: we see this as the next step for human progress. So while we may agree about piracy and the like, we disagree about what has to happen, what should happen, to create an environment in 0.0 space that is conducive to human progress. We disagree that expanding the old structures of hierarchy and territory, of power and dependence, is the way forward, and believe that these structures in fact only serve to perpetuate the existing dependencies and mental boxes in which most of humanity finds itself even today.
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