I'd actually like to see a "dark alley" forum section that has no moderation, but also limits posting to non-NPC-corp characters that have existed for at least a year.

Ermm, just go to a non-CCP EVE forum.

k.com
failheap

Kugutsumen is censored sperg sperg sperg?
Eh, guess not sperg sperg sperg.

I didn't abbreviate it because of censorship, rather, because I didn't care to type it out and practically everybody knows what k.com refers to. Looks like you're the last one to get the memo.

FYI. You still get moderated in your corp forums.

Are you sure you want to create Corporation Forums for your corporation?

Once a Corporation Forum is created it cannot be removed. It will display for every member of your corporation, for the duration of their employment. Your Corporation Forum will be displayed as a new category at the top of the category list and will contain three channels.

- General Discussion is the public area where every corp member can post and read threads.
- Corporation announcments is a place for the CEO and his directors to post announcements. Other member will have read-only access.
- The board room is a private channel for the corporation leadership. Only the CEO and his directors have access.

Only members of your corporation will be able to see your Corporation Forum, and they will not be monitored or moderated by the forum moderation team.

Just so you know, the CCL team is not able to see corp forums. If anyone tells you they have been moderated in corp forums they are telling you a lie.

If people posted quality posts then the ISD would not need to remove them.

If people posted quality posts then the ISD would not need to remove them.

Quality is a two-way street.

Volunteer moderation can work effectively.

The trick is ensure you are getting more from a moderation team then what you pay for - which is SFA.

It looks like a few of the early ISD personas have been bio-massed and re-spun up to bury some of the corpses from the early false starts.

Its an easy trick, but people appearing from no-where also gives made up characters that hide made up characters in a made up universe not much credibility.

A simple lesson is be firm, but always be polite as you represent CCP. The tone from the top speaks volumes.

Lessons lost here though as demonstrated countless times over.

What did you say about rumor mongering?

Yes,

indeed this is not a troll, in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire i am motivated in creating forums out of the jurisdiction of our favorite content control friends!

...in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire...

I wonder if there's any specific reason for the Kristallnacht we're currently facing.

People getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... Is it just a decline in volunteer moderator quality or an officially ordered pogrom?

I wonder if there's any specific reason for the Kristallnacht we're currently facing.

People getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... Is it just a decline in volunteer moderator quality or an officially ordered pogrom?

Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled...

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.

So, you really can't see the potential community and PR issues that will come from a public unmoderated forums hosted within the official CCP domain? even with the amount of spergs, troll, personal attacks in an ISD moderated General Discussion as it is now?

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features.

Being entitled to provide feedback and make requests is different from being entitled to dictate policy.

Also, it can have limited moderation to keep the racism and baby-**** out, but otherwise allow for everything else, including attacks on other players and rumor-mongering.

But you really didn't present a "concern". And the OP was vague, only really stressed "dissatisfaction". What's the concern? It's not hard to tell what thread is headed to a lock here, I called at least 1 ibtl (+1 to my score hehe) today, got in while it was still open.

I have more concern for lack of moderation, as it can become very uncomfortable for most forum visitors; for civility sake. Also there are legal issues to be concerned with regarding forum administration. I like to trolololol around a bit, in GD at least, but there are limits to that, to stay in fun. But not everyone tends to hold some acceptable standard when let loose.

imo, the forums are more hospitable now compared to five years ago, but perfection is illusive, and going full tilt in the opposite direction will only cause grief.

Have you (Destiny Corrupted and OP) visited any other forums in other games? ISDs have already shown extreme tolerance when it comes to us expressing our thoughts relative to many other MMOs. You need to learn to appreciate what we have here before you start mumbling about unsubstantiated ISDs' great injustice.

Yeah, the company that took half a decade just to allow posters to mention WoW by name is a shining beacon of tolerance.

Being of the opinion that people should not be able to express their opinions just makes you a hypocrite. But hey, you're entitled to it.

I'd actually like to see a "dark alley" forum section that has no moderation, but also limits posting to non-NPC-corp characters that have existed for at least a year.

Yeah, the company that took half a decade just to allow posters to mention WoW by name is a shining beacon of tolerance.

Being of the opinion that people should not be able to express their opinions just makes you a hypocrite. But hey, you're entitled to it.

Hear that guys? Destiny Corrupted is a champion of the neo-**** cause.

"Berate" is probably not the right word for what you were trying to say.

Nice backseat-moderatin' skills by the way, bro.

I meant what I said. My condolences if you can't deal with the dirty plebs undeservingly wanting features that are below the refined tastes of a classy, upstanding netizen such as yourself.

Being entitled to provide feedback and make requests is different from being entitled to dictate policy.

Yes,

indeed this is not a troll, in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire i am motivated in creating forums out of the jurisdiction of our favorite content control friends!

You hold no entitlement whatsoever. Read the terms you agreed to when you registered. You're only here by the whim of the owners.

After eight years, I'm still around, despite costing the company literally hundreds of subscriptions

No one ever did that before.
You should put it in your sig.

The ISD's are like deranged hall monitors

Drunk on power and seeking attention and praise from their masters.

It's absolutely pathetic.

Please quote me some "legal issues to be concerned with regarding forum administration" that actually stick.

Why have that forum section here? Because people post with their actual in-game characters. It would be impossible to incorporate that feature into an outside forum in a reliable manner.

Whats pathetic is people defending bad posters who throw personal insults at others and think its dicussing something.

implying that's the only thing they moderate

"this is off-topic"

"this is going nowhere"

"ok I saw a similar thread a month ago, locked"

"look at me guys I can lock this thread"

"post deleted"

This is an example of what I think some people are upset about. An ISD can arbitrarily draw a line in the sand in order to flex his epeen or promote his own agenda.

For instance this ISD may be (for the sake of argument let's assume) a member of the JDIF.

He's now outlawed talk of a controversial event in his people's past from over 70 years ago.

What's the deal with that?

(edit: I'm allowed to talk about this because I'm jewish and it's anti-semetic to ban me from it)

Since this thread has done on for quite long enough without a reolution, let me clear it up once and for all before it gets locked. You can see this thread for a reference:

Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable.

I will be very clear and polite about this. Open discussion about things like this are fine, most people seem to be staying polite and are just voicing their opinions, which is great.

What is not great, is against the rules and will not be tolerated is comparing CCP or the ISD to the massacre of Jewish people in the Holocaust. I don't think I should have to explain why that is wrong. Anyone caught doing that again will be at risk of a forum warning and/or a permanent revocation of their forum access. If you want to debate this matter, then so be it, but please have some respect for yourselves and other forum users and post decently and sensibly- ISD Type40.

I love this world. You can say anything about anything, but never ever mention Jews or the Holocaust. That's off limits. I feel a kinship with Mahmud Ahmedinejad.

You're allowed to talk about the slaughter of the noble Native American at the hands of the evil white invaders. You just have to understand that special rules apply to God's Chosen People.

Yes,

indeed this is not a troll, in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire i am motivated in creating forums out of the jurisdiction of our favorite content control friends!

1: We have VERY tolerant moderators on this forum. Perhaps that is the problem, as that makes it a little harder to distinguish when you have "crossed the line".

Whats pathetic is people defending bad posters who throw personal insults at others and think its dicussing something.

You auditioning?

You are wrong. I have the entitlement to make use of the product I paid for, as long as I don't break the EULA.

FYI, I'm pretty sure you didn't pay for the forums, and they can turn EVE off anytime they want and you can never use it again.

What you paid for is a limited license subject to CCP's approval.

You're "entitled" to squat.

EDIT: Comparing CCP and the ISD to the Holocaust is most definitely against the EULA and Forum Rules - ISD Type40.

It's quite typical Kapos like you don't realize their shortcomings, of course I don't compare the holocaust to a gaming forum, yet the mode of action remains the same.

Good thing CCP has people like you and Ranger 1 as their internet legal defense team ....

I'm not defending anything, I'm laughing at the infantile notion of entitlement.

The righteous foot stomping amuses.

FYI, I'm pretty sure you didn't pay for the forums, and they can turn EVE off anytime they want and you can never use it again.

What you paid for is a limited license subject to CCP's approval.

You're "entitled" to squat.

I'd actually like to see a "dark alley" forum section that has no moderation, but also limits posting to non-NPC-corp characters that have existed for at least a year.

This is not how contract law works.

Good thing CCP has people like you and Ranger 1 as their internet legal defense team along with the ISD justice league. I don't know what they would do without you.

Maybe that can go on your gravestone

"Fought valiantly in defense of CCP's virtual property rights"

or

"Nobly volunteered to patrol an internet forum locking villainous threads"

That would be nice, it's a nice image at least.

I'm happy that the forums are moderated, for i have absolutely no trust in the wisdom of most humans.

Yes, it's true. There are actually a few adults that post on these forums.

I didn't abbreviate it because of censorship, rather, because I didn't care to type it out and practically everybody knows what k.com refers to. Looks like you're the last one to get the memo.

People who eagerly volunteer their time to gain just a little bit of power, are usually prone to abuse it as it feeds their ego.

So, what do we say about people who are then jealous and resentful of that "little bit of power"? How do their egos figure into things? Might they be so hurt that they become prone to abuse?

I'd actually like to see a "dark alley" forum section that has no moderation, but also limits posting to non-NPC-corp characters that have existed for at least a year.

I'm happy that the forums are moderated, for i have absolutely no trust in the wisdom of most humans.
The consumer society has made of most of us nothing better than capricious children.
If you want to behave without dignity go do that in private, i don't agree to let a public (public in the sense that every paying customer has the same equal access rights to this service) forum polluted by the whims of some frustrated brats (whatever your RL age, i speak here about maturity).
ISD people are humans, and are not perfect (you are ?), but i trust them much more than the average poster because they have to think twice before to use their keyboard.
Anarchy is not the mess, it's when you become wise enough to not need rules anymore. We are still very far from it. Sadly i even think that we are evoluating in the opposite direction.

You are not happy about ISD's moderation ? But look for a moment at what kind of "moderation" you "freedom warriors" bring daily in our forums : intolerance, insults, stupidity, vulgarity, wasting a post simply because it doesn't pleasse you... you are censoring much more that the ISD do, with agressivity, disdain, and all that based only on your egoist whims. Wonderful ambiance you are bringing by your contributions.
So, about your criticisms toward ISD : "First cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".

People who eagerly volunteer their time to gain just a little bit of power, are usually prone to abuse it as it feeds their ego.

You don't need to feel any of those things to despise small people who lust for minuscule amounts of power. Though I'm not sure which is worse, them or people who desperately try to suck up to them.

I'm imagining a school crossing guard wearing his little badge and orange sash screaming at people on the sidewalk, and you on the side of the road clapping and applauding hoping he'll hold hands with you and walk you home.

You don't need to feel any of those things to despise small people who lust for minuscule amounts of power.

Ah, the green monster. :)

I'm just amused that you would subject yourself to this abuse voluntarily, and then invent fantasies to defend your irrational actions.

You have no rights, you're not entitled, there's nothing you can do.

Suffer.

You don't need to feel any of those things to despise small people who lust for minuscule amounts of power. Though I'm not sure which is worse, them or people who desperately try to suck up to them.

I'm imagining a school crossing guard wearing his little badge and orange sash screaming at people on the sidewalk, and you on the side of the road clapping and applauding hoping he'll hold hands with you and walk you home.

Yes,

indeed this is not a troll, in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire i am motivated in creating forums out of the jurisdiction of our favorite content control friends!

I have no clue as to what you're talking about but it's hilarious that posted right after the ISD.

You do realize that a school crossing guard is usually someone who volunteers their time to keep children safe, and yet you view them as a petty dictator lusting for power.

rebellious 13 year old's

Actually when I was young they were kids. Though, I don't think this is allowed if there is a sexual predator in the neighborhood. Possibly why you've only seen adults doing this?

I also don't know why you seem to have a fixation on age, you talk about it in most of your posts.

Edit: I like how the ISD considers "sycophant" a personal attack, yet doesn't seem to understand that Ranger's age-play is the same thing.

Being entitled to provide feedback and make requests is different from being entitled to dictate policy.

Then add a thumbs-up/thumbs-down that hides posts with too many downs