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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:51:00 -
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CCP makes a big deal out of new visible missile launchers, but the fact is, I can barely see any detail on my ships when undocked, because EVE is so dark. The galaxy is poorly lit. That may be realistic 4-10 AU from the local sun, but it makes for a visually boring game, especially when the detail is there, just not visible.
Other computer games work fine for me, without me needing to tweak the settings of my monitor, so it just seems silly that all the visual detail is lost unless I bother to adjust the settings just for this one game.
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Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
95
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:54:00 -
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Real space is also rather badly lit.. Just go out at night and see. :P
Also I am quite happy with the level of detail and its visibility. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
151
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:54:00 -
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I can see my ships just fine, though I've noticed the game becomes brighter with lower graphics settings. I think it might be the shader settings that affect it. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
88
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:56:00 -
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The ships used to be more brightly coloured, before the new v3 shader thing. Gleaming steel is a lot more visible than very dark-grey metal.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1162
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:59:00 -
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Space was much brighter in most systems before the background/nebula graphics update. I preferred it that way, since it felt more lively. I got used to the new looks pretty fast, but I'd still prefer everything to be a bit brighter. Even if space is dark, I'm sure that they'd have the technology to improve visibility 20,000 years into the future. I mean, they even have it today. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1333
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:13:00 -
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I find both the space and ships bit too dark. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tao Dolcino
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
14
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:22:00 -
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I don't like shiny stuff. I still find EVE too bright and the background too full of those flashy coloured clouds. The sparkles and special effects too are overdone. WoW in space. beuark . I think that darker and more logical graphisms would be more immersive. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:26:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:I don't like shiny stuff. I still find EVE too bright and the background too full of those flashy coloured clouds. The sparkles and special effects too are overdone. WoW in space. beuark . I think that darker and more logical graphisms would be more immersive.
This and also: space is dark and if some want to see that much their ship details, just dock and admire them. (or buy a new GC/pc whatever) brb |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:43:00 -
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It's darker but looks more detailed to me. I hated the old star fields. The colors on the new star fields are much better, they don't have the transition problems; showing low-detailed steps from shade to shade, also known as corn rows. Yes, ships are darker by default due to shaders. But I have presets on my monitor, that's what they are there for, some for viewing pics and some for games etc. It's a quality monitor and makes a huge difference. Also the client has settings that can be fine tuned. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
11
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:46:00 -
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CCP need to improve their lighting effects. The light side of a ship should be lighter and the dark side....darker. Especially for planets and stations as well.
Also, we meed belts that are always in the dark so we can make laser shows without strip miners |
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
25
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Posted - 2012.10.13 11:41:00 -
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Normal space might be dark, but mission deadspaces are still so bright that half the time you can't even see what modules are active on your ship without spinning the camera around to find a dark spot.
The old starfields didn't look great, but they had more variety in systems in each region. The new ones look better, but seem more generic without a lot of difference unless you're changing regions. (each system in a region now seems pretty similar to the one next door to it).
Maybe they could tweak the lighting effects from different types of stars to emit more noticeable differences in colour / brightness. Perhaps even throw in an extra visual star in some systems / wormhole space backgrounds too.
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Dyvim Slorm
Frozen Moon Conglomerate Forsaken Generation Coalition
42
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Posted - 2012.10.13 11:44:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Normal space might be dark, but mission deadspaces are still so bright that half the time you can't even see what modules are active on your ship without spinning the camera around to find a dark spot.
QFT this could certainly do with a tweak |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
655
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:10:00 -
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Salpad wrote:CCP makes a big deal out of new visible missile launchers, but the fact is, I can barely see any detail on my ships when undocked, because EVE is so dark. The galaxy is poorly lit. That may be realistic 4-10 AU from the local sun, but it makes for a visually boring game, especially when the detail is there, just not visible.
Other computer games work fine for me, without me needing to tweak the settings of my monitor, so it just seems silly that all the visual detail is lost unless I bother to adjust the settings just for this one game.
Your ship has headlights, stop complaining. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:15:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Other computer games work fine for me, without me needing to tweak the settings of my monitor
Clearly you haven't played Skyrim. I used to skulk around in pitch-black dungeons, until I took an arrow to the knee. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever Numquam Ambulare Solus
1
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:37:00 -
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Salpad wrote:CCP makes a big deal out of new visible missile launchers, but the fact is, I can barely see any detail on my ships when undocked, because EVE is so dark. The galaxy is poorly lit. That may be realistic 4-10 AU from the local sun, but it makes for a visually boring game, especially when the detail is there, just not visible.
Other computer games work fine for me, without me needing to tweak the settings of my monitor, so it just seems silly that all the visual detail is lost unless I bother to adjust the settings just for this one game.
you can't see details on a submarine. |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
563
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:37:00 -
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I would have to agree that the lighting seems off. I have a Claymore that is basically just a black featureless Cyclone with a blue symbol on the side. Even if I warp to the sun it doesn't get much better. The space background with the new nebula is pretty, but it ends up being too bright and interferes with game play (I use Domain Region as a good example, just look 'up') If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:56:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Normal space might be dark, but mission deadspaces are still so bright that half the time you can't even see what modules are active on your ship without spinning the camera around to find a dark spot. The old starfields didn't look great, but they had more variety in systems in each region. The new ones look better, but seem more generic without a lot of difference unless you're changing regions. (each system in a region now seems pretty similar to the one next door to it). Maybe they could tweak the lighting effects from different types of stars to emit more noticeable differences in colour / brightness. Perhaps even throw in an extra visual star in some systems / wormhole space backgrounds too. The way the star fields are now, they're far more realistic moving from system to system. It really shouldn't change much. But I agree regarding the system stars, as in they are all fairly uniform. I'm sure it would be unrealistic to throw in things like magnetars and pulsars, but I think the spectrums of the existing stars could be better enhanced while providing greater variations to the lighting shaders in the systems for an overall difference. It's odd enough there being no binary stars as that is more than the norm, but I guess that is less important as players wouldn't spend much time looking for stars feeding off each other. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
82
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:19:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Normal space might be dark, but mission deadspaces are still so bright that half the time you can't even see what modules are active on your ship without spinning the camera around to find a dark spot. The old starfields didn't look great, but they had more variety in systems in each region. The new ones look better, but seem more generic without a lot of difference unless you're changing regions. (each system in a region now seems pretty similar to the one next door to it). Maybe they could tweak the lighting effects from different types of stars to emit more noticeable differences in colour / brightness. Perhaps even throw in an extra visual star in some systems / wormhole space backgrounds too.
The slight change per jump in the nebulae field view highlights, for me anyway, just how far your travelling when you realise the focal points of 2 nebulae have reversed in your view over the course of a 20-30 jump trip.
Gas/Cloud effects in deadspace & wormhole environments produce so much glare I feel the need for sunglasses to play too. I guess when everything has been v3'ed the universe will appear more balanced. |
Starrakatt
Z0MBIELAND Double Tap.
6
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:18:00 -
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- Binary stars as well as pulsars would be awesome.
- As would some very dark brown dwarf stars.
- Red giants having swallowed their whole system except for slagged out external planets.
- Dark systems (black holes) with their accretion disk and some external planet/rock to anchor a station.
- Resizing of the sun/sun brightness relative to your position in system.
Doesn't need to be a lot of them, but a few scattered here and there would add some great immersion experience to the game - could even make these systems have environmental effects like in wormholes, its not like the mechanisms doesn't exist already.
Edit: To stay on topic: I find the lightning and details fine. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2726
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:20:00 -
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I demand DX12 for Eve "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1329
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:59:00 -
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Except minmatar. They are too washed out at the moment. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
109
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:14:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Except minmatar. They are too washed out at the moment.
We finaly taught those savages how to use a bathroom...Amarr victor GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
156
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:19:00 -
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Play Eve with the lights out then see how dark it gets. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2012.10.13 16:13:00 -
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Try glasses.
I just got my first pair of progressives and it is amazing the amount of detail I was missing. |
Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.10.13 16:20:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Real space is also rather badly lit.. Just go out at night and see. :P
Also I am quite happy with the level of detail and its visibility.
Well said. I care less about visuals and more about functionality and a solid game. I am what you refer to as a Carebear...I care very much about the future New Eden and Eve and couldn't bear the Chicken Littles destroying that. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
135
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Posted - 2012.10.13 16:30:00 -
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This is how a standard General discussion post goes
OP-"I have a complaint or idea" everyone else - "Your dumb, its fine"
Anyways, I do like the darkness of Eve. But I always like change in Eve. Weapons in RL are really bright and flashy, so adding more effects to the weapons is not a bad thing. Also maybe they could add a spot light on your ship like a giant search light that has 50k distance. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2552
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:28:00 -
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One of the main reasons for the V3 update is to allow for better lighting effects, which will be done after V3 is complete on all in space objects.
There are other reasons, but that is one of the biggies. It is also one of the reasons by many of the new color schemes are less reflective and more of a matt finish.
The goal is to make the lighting on the hulls look better afterwards than they did in the past, along with reflected light from planetary bodies, moons, and weapons effects looking much more natural. We just haven't gotten to that stage yet. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
103
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:46:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Real space is also rather badly lit.. Just go out at night and see. :P
Also I am quite happy with the level of detail and its visibility. Actually I think for the most part Eve is TOO bright.
Indeed, the stars are way too bright even from great distances of over 100 AU. They need to tone that **** down. |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
525
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:55:00 -
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Hey, hey, guys. I had a novel idea.
What if the game featured an alternate environment that acted as a foil to dark, gloomy outer space? You know, something like a brightly-lit space station. And we can go in and walk around in, get this, our pilot avatars.
Be cool, right? |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.10.13 18:12:00 -
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What Ranger 1 said. I remember a Dev saying the same thing last time someone brought this up. Basically - the lighting model isn't finished. It will get better / brighter. |
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
184
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Posted - 2012.10.13 18:13:00 -
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Salpad wrote:The ships used to be more brightly coloured, before the new v3 shader thing. Gleaming steel is a lot more visible than very dark-grey metal.
Yeah, Eve ships used to be a lot brighter, and I liked it better that way. Amarr actually had golden hulls instead of muddy yellow, etc. |
Capt George Amberleaf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.13 18:16:00 -
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yup have to agree.......black ship on a black background is not clever.
CCP u Fail
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Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
135
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Posted - 2012.10.13 18:45:00 -
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Capt George Amberleaf wrote:yup have to agree.......black ship on a black background is not clever.
CCP u Fail
pixel hard man. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2012.10.13 19:28:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I'm sure that they'd have the technology to improve visibility 20,000 years into the future. I mean, they even have it today. So use that.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Call Rollard
amarrian broken skies syndicate Aerodyne Collective
3
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:31:00 -
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Tbh I find that EVE's space is quite bright compared to RL. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
178
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:35:00 -
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Salpad wrote:CCP makes a big deal out of new visible missile launchers, but the fact is, I can barely see any detail on my ships when undocked, because EVE is so dark. The galaxy is poorly lit. That may be realistic 4-10 AU from the local sun, but it makes for a visually boring game, especially when the detail is there, just not visible.
Other computer games work fine for me, without me needing to tweak the settings of my monitor, so it just seems silly that all the visual detail is lost unless I bother to adjust the settings just for this one game.
warp to the sun problem fixs |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
130
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:37:00 -
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I support new stuff is way too dark.
Space is very well lit by stars - there is not enough stuff to reflect light from. This is why you get impression of dark space.
Bring a reflective armor surface and it should be excessively bright.
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Feer Truelight
FEER ME.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:48:00 -
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That should explain some things for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxJ4M7tyLRE
Also: You can always turn up your gamma values of the monitor. Killed by Brothel: http://i.imgur.com/WyR1x.png |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:18:00 -
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DX42! Do it, codemonkeys!
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Creedling
22
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:20:00 -
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Lighting is something that the art department say they're going to work on after the V3 shaders stuff is out of the way. |
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ACESsiggy
Red Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:48:00 -
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Yes the game is dark and needs some color..... at least add some to high sec. GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:38:00 -
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I think the game is not dark enough.
Consider that the further from the sun you get, the less light. But the light in any solar system in game is constant.
Next consider that it would be more "neat" if the lights on our ships were at times the only thing showing anything.
Since the make space so good looking in the game, it would be only a good fit to make the lighting match the conditions. |
Meogeo
Devious Relations
0
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:58:00 -
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I have been with Eve since 2004, and I personally find Eve OK, if you want to look at your ship then dock up in the station or hit the brightness and contrast button, come on folks why would you want to whinge about this superb game being to dark, your in space, space is dark, next thing ccp will be putting headlights on the spaceships lol. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
88
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Posted - 2012.10.14 10:15:00 -
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Creedling wrote:Lighting is something that the art department say they're going to work on after the V3 shaders stuff is out of the way.
How long do we have to wait for that? I actually assumed they were done with the v3 shader project now. What's left?
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1813
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Posted - 2012.10.14 11:21:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:What Ranger 1 said. I remember a Dev saying the same thing last time someone brought this up. Basically - the lighting model isn't finished. It will get better / brighter. You look sexy.
There's no balance to be had in this. Some people have darker displays, some people have set their displays too dark, some people have no idea how to set their displays, some people have set their displays just right.
No matter what you change, there'll still be people who won't be happy about it.
The best thing one can do, is play with the own settings on his own machine, (display, gfx drivers) instead of trying to ruin it for somebody else ... but i can hear the self entitled screaming already .............. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
9
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Posted - 2012.10.14 17:13:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Souxie Alduin wrote:What Ranger 1 said. I remember a Dev saying the same thing last time someone brought this up. Basically - the lighting model isn't finished. It will get better / brighter. You look sexy.
Well.. Duh! |
Adeleda Adoudel
Welp The Monkey Free Enterprise Treaty Organization
17
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Posted - 2012.10.14 18:12:00 -
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Space is dark yo.
Eve looks visually beautiful to me. Except maybe the minmatar ships are a bit TOO shiny.. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
1069
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Posted - 2012.10.14 18:39:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Real space is also rather badly lit.. Just go out at night and see. :P
Also I am quite happy with the level of detail and its visibility. Actually I think for the most part Eve is TOO bright.
agreed. I think lighting should follow the cube square law and fall off sharply as you get further away from the sun.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:07:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Creedling wrote:Lighting is something that the art department say they're going to work on after the V3 shaders stuff is out of the way. How long do we have to wait for that? I actually assumed they were done with the v3 shader project now. What's left? They're errr.. busy. Fixing things for carebears with attitude. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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