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![Jakk Graiseach Jakk Graiseach](/images/people/img5.png)
Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.22 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Hawkins
So put your faith in an outmoded, backward facing, archaic belief system if you will, or find true enlightenment and put your faith in God.
Put your faith in this 'god' of yours all you like - the problem arises when you become unable to seperate your 'church' and your 'state'.
I have no quarrel with your 'god', but I will fight your backward, slaving, oppressive 'state' until it is no more...
My apologies for continuing you own off topic discussion. Perhaps you would like to start this discussion anew so as not to cloud the issue of your supposed theft any further?
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![Ortu Konsinni Ortu Konsinni](/images/people/img4.png)
Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.03.22 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Hawkins
Originally by: Ortu Konsinni ...I like to believe that this is an expensive publicity stunt. Arrogant Amarrians.
Arrogant Amarrians is it? Well, I won't deny it. The compliment is most appreciated.
As for what you like to believe. Well, I know for a fact that the feral occupants of the galaxy that dwell beyond the borders of our civilising Empire like to believe a great many things. They amusingly labour under some fanciful notion of what is right and wrong and suspect that freedom is the key to a life of happiness.
If you can stomach the truth, I'll do you a favour by dispelling this ridiculous myth for you.
Freedom is a lie. None of you are free, you just think you are. The Jericho Fraction man who pledges his allegience only to freedom has been fed an insidious lie and he has fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Oh, I know you like to think you are free, but you are wrong. You are fools to believe it. The only true freedom comes with the sanctity of God. A truth we arrogant Amarrians discovered a long time ago.
So put your faith in an outmoded, backward facing, archaic belief system if you will, or find true enlightenment and put your faith in God.
That is all very nice and well put; I fail, nevertheless, to see the relevance of any of this with my statement. I see, though, that you do not miss an opportunity to voice your views on life and society, however out of topic and place they may be. Still, I have no illusions about what freedom is or may be. Any assumption as to what my perception of it could be is presumptuous at best.
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![Sykonatiac Sykonatiac](/images/people/img14.png)
Sykonatiac
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Posted - 2005.03.22 23:58:00 -
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All right!!!! Whahoo!!! Go thief, go!!!
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![Hamish Hamish](/images/people/img4.png)
Hamish
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Posted - 2005.03.23 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish on 23/03/2005 00:59:58
All right, I think the rumour mill has had enough time to run. :)
I have your medal in my posession. I am the one who commissioned its theft, although I did not carry it out personally. Since you so kindly provided a log of how you dealt with the hoaxer Budy, I know exactly how to deal with you now.
The medal remains in the posession of my allies, and any attempts on my life will be met with its destruction. Your only hope of retrieving your trinket is to meet me and negotiate for it - in exchange for its return, I demand the release of the Mamet 500 into my custody. If you wish, you may send an agent to meet me in private and verify through trade-window that I do indeed have it, so that there is no doubt in your mind as to what we're playing for here. I await your reply...
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![Tairos Hakonnus Tairos Hakonnus](/images/people/img2.png)
Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tairos Hakonnus on 23/03/2005 01:11:10 Wow Hamish...
Hail to the theif baby! ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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![Archbishop Archbishop](/images/people/img15.png)
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:24:00 -
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Quote: "I have your medal in my posession. I am the one who commissioned its theft, although I did not carry it out personally. Since you so kindly provided a log of how you dealt with the hoaxer Budy, I know exactly how to deal with you now."
This is an outrage!!!! You evil beast!!!!
Hamish I command you to turn over the cross immediately. If you do so the Court will take your cooperation into consideration while determining the method of execution.
Leave it to an evil Minmatar of Ushra'Khan to steal the sacred CVA relic. This is blasphemy of the highest order and a great sin. I should've known only a beast such as a terrorist could commit such a heinous act.
Archbishop ![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
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![Archbishop Archbishop](/images/people/img3.png)
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:47:00 -
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As a Justice of the Religious Tribunal Court I announce an arrest warrant has been issued for Hamish of the Tribal Trust of Pator. Exercise caution when approaching the subject as he is a known terrorist criminal. Subject is believed in possesion of the stolen Cross of the Sacred Throne Order which is the property of the CVA and Admiral Golan Trevize.
Any citizen knowing the location of the intergalactic criminal should contact the CVA at once.
Archbishop Vice-Admiral PIE CORPORATION
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![Hamish Hamish](/images/people/img6.png)
Hamish
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish on 23/03/2005 02:07:53
Just to be perfectly clear. I'm not in direct posession of the medal, my... *glances over shoulder at a well dressed man just off screen* allies are. Any attempts on me will result in its recycling.
Civilized negotiation is your only way out of this.
The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin |
![Archbishop Archbishop](/images/people/img1.png)
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.23 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 23/03/2005 02:58:09
TES Indefatigable Prophecy Class Battlecruiser Vice-Admiral Archbishop, Commanding Location: xxxxx
**Picture comes into view of a white robed man sitting on board the bridge of a large warship. The man who wears the stripes of a flag officer stands and begins to speak**
**Computer voice** Secure channel to CVA Admiralty authorized......
This is Archbishop reporting on mission status.
We have travelled to xxxxx and I have engaged the services of a trusted operative. This operative has met with Hamish at a confidential location and has returned with evidence that Hamish is in proximity of the Sacred Cross of the Throne Order.
My operative reports the Cross theft was masterminded by an unknown criminal. This criminal mastermind successfully bypassed all security precautions to plan and execute this theft. The mastermind at this time is unknown.
Per instructions I am not to engage in negotiations. The Hamish claim has been confirmed. I await your orders Admiral.
Archbishop out.
**static and the screen fades**.
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![Sarkos Sarkos](/images/people/img1.png)
Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.03.23 02:55:00 -
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Sarkos stares at Hamish, then grins and applauses madly
Well done brother, well done indead. Perhaps to keep the cross and yourself safe, you might epoxy it to the nose of your ship, for all to see.
Any attept to destroy you will mean the destruction of a 1500 year old artifact. Hahahahaha!
Oh, and Archbishop. As to your commands....speak to the hand.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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![Tairos Hakonnus Tairos Hakonnus](/images/people/img13.png)
Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.23 03:11:00 -
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This is getting iiinteresting... ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif) ----------------------------
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![Gotchy Gotchy](/images/people/img9.png)
Gotchy
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Posted - 2005.03.23 03:26:00 -
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I cant believe what i heard here...
This is weak Hamish so weak. You call yourself freedom fighter... bah humbug... you are just a low thief nothing more.
Sarkos even you do support this, you should known better. You should fight with honor and not stealing some artifact.
Ushra Khan has lost my respect, this is just disgusting.
-Gotchy
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![Nooey Nooey](/images/people/img1.png)
Nooey
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Posted - 2005.03.23 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gotchy
You should fight with honor...
-Gotchy
That's pretty rich from someone in a neutral-shooting alliance of enclosurist, terrirorialist pig dogs.
What would you know of honour.
And the rest of you, who speak is acid tongues of this act of thievery...
What of the lives CVA have stolen?
What of the ideals they have robbed of all dignity?
Once again, I smell the sweetest scent of retribution. You CVA steal such things as lives and dignity, and you in turn lose a trinket, and suddenly Hamish and his associates are the dishonourable ones?
Rubbish.
Hamish, I applaud your actions, if you need help in this matter, I offer my personal services humbly, whatever the task may be.
Best of luck. Though something tells me you're never the type who needs it.
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![Gaius Kador Gaius Kador](/images/people/img4.png)
Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.23 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Edited by: Hamish on 23/03/2005 02:07:53
Just to be perfectly clear. I'm not in direct posession of the medal, my... *glances over shoulder at a well dressed man just off screen* allies are. Any attempts on me will result in its recycling.
Civilized negotiation is your only way out of this.
We shall see, Hamish.
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![Sarkos Sarkos](/images/people/img9.png)
Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.03.23 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gotchy I cant believe what i heard here...
This is weak Hamish so weak. You call yourself freedom fighter... bah humbug... you are just a low thief nothing more.
Sarkos even you do support this, you should known better. You should fight with honor and not stealing some artifact.
Ushra Khan has lost my respect, this is just disgusting.
-Gotchy
You're right Gotchy,
How dare I support a non-violet means of freeing 500 slaves.
Nuff said
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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![Shintoko Akahoshi Shintoko Akahoshi](/images/people/img8.png)
Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.03.23 05:54:00 -
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Wow, this does change things, doesn't it? What I previously thought was a distasteful theft for money turns out to be a deliciously ironic application of Amarran methodology towards the freeing of the Sebiestor 500. Where I previously hoped the CVA would recover their medal, I now cheer for Hamish. Nice going!
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![Lorna Doone Lorna Doone](/images/people/img1.png)
Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2005.03.23 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lorna Doone on 23/03/2005 07:53:24
This is even more exciting than my favourite soap opera, Resident and Absent!
Congratulations and kudos to Hamish and the Ushra'Khan for this piece of inspired genius! *\o/*
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![The Patriarch The Patriarch](/images/people/img7.png)
The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.03.23 08:32:00 -
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Well done, you must love this............
As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet! |
![Jakk Graiseach Jakk Graiseach](/images/people/img14.png)
Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.23 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish
Just to be perfectly clear. I'm not in direct posession of the medal, my... *glances over shoulder at a well dressed man just off screen* allies are. Any attempts on me will result in its recycling.
Civilized negotiation is your only way out of this.
Hamish, we love you!
Anytime you're not busy, just drop into one of the SF bars and we'll order in the refreshments of your choice for you.
A most excellent theft, and a most excellent demand for its return. -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |
![jules winnfield jules winnfield](/images/people/img9.png)
jules winnfield
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Posted - 2005.03.23 09:50:00 -
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Hamish as ever my ships are at your disposal should you be in need of aid.
Well done sir.
Jules
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![OdinWolph OdinWolph](/images/people/img11.png)
OdinWolph
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Posted - 2005.03.23 10:02:00 -
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This is so brilliant and well planed that I am almost at a loss of words to describe how fascinating I find this turn of events.
No truth be told, I am at a loss for words.
How delightful this is. - A toast to you!
Bravo, Hamish.
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![Aphoxema G Aphoxema G](/images/people/img7.png)
Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.23 10:05:00 -
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Okay, I am so for freeing slaves and all that shibam... but stealing a religious artifact to ransom for them is insulting to the slaves! It's the Amarr's choice to idolize what the token stands for... if you take something the Amarr, slaves, and you all find most equally valuable and ransomable, it would be much, much more justified. ----------
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![OdinWolph OdinWolph](/images/people/img6.png)
OdinWolph
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Posted - 2005.03.23 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: OdinWolph on 23/03/2005 10:41:09 OdinWolph looks a little puzzled at Aphoxema.
You do realize that the "slaves" do not belong to the Amarrs to begin with and the fact that since the Amarrs became hostile towards us, we have lost so much? What you find at the end of all my posts, here on GalNet, are not just pretty words. They're words from our history before the Amarr... "precense".
What Hamish did was just and fair. If the Amarr barter with slaves, we'll barter with their precious relics, like comon goods. Like... Fertilizer.
Edit:
Oh dear! Did I just encurage plundering of the Amarrs sacred temples? OdinWolph smiles sinisterly.
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![Aphoxema G Aphoxema G](/images/people/img4.png)
Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.23 10:55:00 -
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Yeah, but "standing on the ground of your enemy makes you wiser when you have shoes and he has not". All it's doing is angering them, and I'm sure they'll sooner let the prize go than free the slaves.. it would only be an example to people that they could take something precious from them and get what they want until they day that they have nothing precious left, while everyone else has a bunch of worthless artifacts.
Unless they really see a piece a metal as more important than pride, I don't think they'll give up. ----------
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![OdinWolph OdinWolph](/images/people/img10.png)
OdinWolph
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Posted - 2005.03.23 11:29:00 -
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As a metaphore:
A man is strapped to a chair. Attached to him are several strings which in turn is fastened to the trigger of a gun, which is pointed at him. Should he move the gun will go off.
To take your example, the one that is barefooted right now, is the CVA... Hamish is the one wearing the shoes. To us, Minmatar, the "priceless relic" holds nothing more then it's recyclable value in minerals. To the Amarr it holds a value which can't be valued in money. It is in fact an irreplacable "artifact", with a history.
Since these 500 sebestiors were about to be auctioned of anyway, I ask, who can bid higher then the person holding this relic? Should CVA refuse the relic will surely be destroyed and they would with little doubt anger other Amarrs because they valued a mere 500 sebestiors higher. Should the surrender they will get the priceless relic back. But with this option their pride is a stake.
Question is; Do they value pride more then the relic?
The situation is indeed delicate right now.
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![Hardin Hardin](/images/people/img9.png)
Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.23 11:31:00 -
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I should have known a Minmatar terrorist would be behind this theft. Only a Minmatar could concieve of so low an act.
My personal view is that we should not negotiate with terrorists.
Yet I also know that the medal is infinitely more valuable than 500 slaves (no matter how house trained).
The loss of this 1,500 year old medal would in itself be a tragedy but the fact that it is awarded so rarely, and by the Emperor himself, gives it a symbolic value higher than any non-Amarr could understand.
Hamish, we will talk to you out of the necessity to regain the Cross but know it shall be through gritted teeth. You have earned our everlasting emnity Minmatar!
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![Leon G'ujce Leon G'ujce](/images/people/img16.png)
Leon G'ujce
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Posted - 2005.03.23 11:41:00 -
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Let the celebration begin! ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](/images/people/img7.png)
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.23 11:44:00 -
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For once I find myself almost disagreeing with Hardin .
Not the bit about negotiating with terrorists - in my opinion, we should never do that as it only encourages them and gives their actions legitimacy.
Rather, it is about the value of the medal. Golan Trevize is a member of the Order of the Sacred Throne. The absence of his medal does not alter this fact. He will still belong to the order no matter what happens, even beyond the day of his final death. The medal merely symbolises the important thing which is the fact that Adm Trevize is a loyal and trusted servant of the Empire.
Whilst the theft of the medal is a truly terrible crime that deserves punishment beyond endurance, it is not so terrible as to deny five hundred souls the opportunity that is presented to them - enlightenment and eventual ascension into heaven.
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![Aphoxema G Aphoxema G](/images/people/img14.png)
Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.23 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Hamish, we will talk to you out of the necessity to regain the Cross...
*blinks slowly*
Okay, I've been wrong before. ----------
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![Dimebar Dimebar](/images/people/img16.png)
Dimebar
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Posted - 2005.03.23 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Rather, it is about the value of the medal. Golan Trevize is a member of the Order of the Sacred Throne. The absence of his medal does not alter this fact.
You sure about that Rodj? How do you know that by so clumsily losing the medal, the ultimate proof of his membership of the order, Golan will lose the respect of his fellow Sacred Throne members, and will be cast out of this order in disgrace?
Nyah HAH! Didn't think about that one, did ya?? ------------
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