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Tar Kovsky	Posted - 2005.03.25 03:41:00 - [121] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu If anything, good old Hamish and his mysterious (and extremely well dressed) accomplice were rather civilized and restrained about the whole affair. Hey Istvaan, how's that consulting gig for Tribal Trust of Pator working out?
Nooey	Posted - 2005.03.25 05:49:00 - [122] Can't stop...laughing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.25 22:02:00 - [123] Quote: Hey Istvaan, how's that consulting gig for Tribal Trust of Pator working out? Oh, it was consul-tastic. The food is awful, but by god, if you buy your cigars from anyone other than a Pator tobacco farmer, you're some kind of fool. Hand-rolled and everything.
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.03.25 22:53:00 - [124] Quote: are you trying to suggest that the posession of five hundred circus-trained cattle are more important than the heritage and history behind the medal? in all my years at the imperial academy i have never heard it suggested that the past should be anything but cherished and revered. i'd think the PIE ceo is honorbound to retrieve the medal, no matter the cost in breeding stock I didn't see anyone stealing 500 years of heritage and history. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Tess Durbeyfield	Posted - 2005.03.26 00:43:00 - [125] Edited by: Tess Durbeyfield on 26/03/2005 00:43:08 Originally by: Archbishop Also I believe a Minmatar would be unable to forumlate such a complex plan. This type of planning and devious cunning would seem to involve someone of greater intelect then the average beast. So, Minmatars are dumb and stupid, are we? Well that explains why you think we should believe in your god -------------------- "My dear, I'm going to have a pretty lonely walk between this and Kingdom Come. Won't you give me one kiss? It'll be something to keep off the darkness now and then." Bram Stoker, Dracula
Sykonatiac	Posted - 2005.03.26 16:05:00 - [126] Originally by: Tess Durbeyfield Edited by: Tess Durbeyfield on 26/03/2005 00:43:08 Originally by: Archbishop Also I believe a Minmatar would be unable to forumlate such a complex plan. This type of planning and devious cunning would seem to involve someone of greater intelect then the average beast. So, Minmatars are dumb and stupid, are we? Well that explains why you think we should believe in your god Oh my god Tess. That was hilarious, I never thought of it that way. lol!! So thats why we have to believe in their god, because we are stupid, so their god.....must be...stupid! Thank you oh so much for clarifying this Tess. !
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.03.26 16:13:00 - [127] Quote: we are stupid, so their god.....must be...stupid! Picks up megaphone, fumbling with the knobs "Is this thing on? DRUGS ARE BAD! END YOUR SUBSTANCE ABUSE! THINK OF THE CHILDRscreeeeeeeee--" throws it aside "Aw, your all insane, the lot of you." Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Linxara Abateh	Posted - 2005.03.26 20:20:00 - [128] looks like the holder agrees with me http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=722&tid=2
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.03.26 21:34:00 - [129] Frankly the very thought of keeping 500 dancing cows intended for auction over a priceless relic like this is repulsive to me. Anyone advocating such a stance should really make a serious attempt to get their brains online. There is no dishonor in negotiating with terrorists when there is no acceptable alternative (as in this case). I'm actually baffled by how little they're asking for in exchange for it, take the deal and be glad, that's my advice to Golan Trevize and PIE inc. http://eve.klaki.net/
Xen'on	Posted - 2005.03.26 22:09:00 - [130] Once again the self proclaimed Minmatar "Freedom Fighters" have sunk to a new low. To ransom an artifact of such historical importance for mere slaves sickens me. The majority of these "freedom fighters" are nothing more than terrorists intent on harrassing those who try to make an honest living involving slaves in Amarr space. I have no ties to the CVA and I beleive that the time has come to make a stand against these terrorists. Therefore my proposition to those currently in position of the cross is this: 1. If you do not return the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order, to the CVA, within 48 hours then I will personally execute 8000 Minmatar slaves. 2. For every 24 hours after this that the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order is not in CVA hands then I will execute another 8000 salves. 3. Should you receive the Mamet 500 in return for the Cross then I will immediatly terminate the lives of 30000 minmatar slaves and 5000 a week until I have taken my last breath. It is for the terrorists to decide whether or not they can live with the deaths of so many in return for the Mamet 500. Many may calim that I have stooped to the level of these terrorists by taking these actions, this may be true, however I have never claimed to be a man with lofty morals. Xen'on
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.26 22:24:00 - [131] Man, what is it with you cretins coming out of the woodwork and offering to slaughter slaves whenever the Minmatar manage to pull something off without tripping over themselves? In case you haven't clued in yet, the Ushra'Khan probably consider the slaves in your custody better off dead than enslaved. Not that I particularly care what you do with your (probably imaginary) stable, but if you're going to piss away a perfectly worthwhile work-force, at least let me have the pick of the litter - my command ship took one hell of a beating recently and I'm suddenly short on competent engineers for the aft reactor decks.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.03.26 22:59:00 - [132] Originally by: Xen'on Once again the self proclaimed Minmatar "Freedom Fighters" have sunk to a new low. To ransom an artifact of such historical importance for mere slaves sickens me. The majority of these "freedom fighters" are nothing more than terrorists intent on harrassing those who try to make an honest living involving slaves in Amarr space. I have no ties to the CVA and I beleive that the time has come to make a stand against these terrorists. Therefore my proposition to those currently in position of the cross is this: 1. If you do not return the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order, to the CVA, within 48 hours then I will personally execute 8000 Minmatar slaves. 2. For every 24 hours after this that the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order is not in CVA hands then I will execute another 8000 salves. 3. Should you receive the Mamet 500 in return for the Cross then I will immediatly terminate the lives of 30000 minmatar slaves and 5000 a week until I have taken my last breath. It is for the terrorists to decide whether or not they can live with the deaths of so many in return for the Mamet 500. Many may calim that I have stooped to the level of these terrorists by taking these actions, this may be true, however I have never claimed to be a man with lofty morals. Xen'on Mr Xen'on, whilst we appreciate your support in this matter, there is no need to destroy your slaves over it. Such an act would be inhumane, and would not be in accordance with the Emperor's wishes that slaves be treated in accordance with certain basic standards Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Sykonatiac	Posted - 2005.03.26 23:39:00 - [133] Originally by: Xen'on Once again the self proclaimed Minmatar "Freedom Fighters" have sunk to a new low. To ransom an artifact of such historical importance for mere slaves sickens me. The majority of these "freedom fighters" are nothing more than terrorists intent on harrassing those who try to make an honest living involving slaves in Amarr space. I have no ties to the CVA and I beleive that the time has come to make a stand against these terrorists. Therefore my proposition to those currently in position of the cross is this: 1. If you do not return the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order, to the CVA, within 48 hours then I will personally execute 8000 Minmatar slaves. 2. For every 24 hours after this that the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order is not in CVA hands then I will execute another 8000 salves. 3. Should you receive the Mamet 500 in return for the Cross then I will immediatly terminate the lives of 30000 minmatar slaves and 5000 a week until I have taken my last breath. It is for the terrorists to decide whether or not they can live with the deaths of so many in return for the Mamet 500. Many may calim that I have stooped to the level of these terrorists by taking these actions, this may be true, however I have never claimed to be a man with lofty morals. Xen'on You do that, I will personally hunt you down at destroy you, and then, pod you. And not once, not twice, not three times, but 7 times, and then every time I come across you. You can laugh and point and call me names and dis-believe me. But, I will. And I know of a few others who will help also. Not to mention the countless Minmatars who will HATE you for this deed you have mentioned. The way things are going, this does not look like a war between the Minmatar and the Amarr....it looks like an all out intergalactic war. So, bleep you all who deal in slaves. Because your dead bleeping meat.
Verone	Posted - 2005.03.27 00:19:00 - [134] I say reprocess it, and add the minerals to the next tempest you guys build. That way they can be safe in the knowledge, that their own history is beginning to destroy them, just as it will in the future. COME AND SOCIALISE WITH US NASTY SNIGG BASTARDS AT : WWW.SNIGG.CJB.NET
Dimebar	Posted - 2005.03.27 00:53:00 - [135] Originally by: Xen'on Once again the self proclaimed Minmatar "Freedom Fighters" have sunk to a new low. To ransom an artifact of such historical importance for mere slaves sickens me. The majority of these "freedom fighters" are nothing more than terrorists intent on harrassing those who try to make an honest living involving slaves in Amarr space. I have no ties to the CVA and I beleive that the time has come to make a stand against these terrorists. Therefore my proposition to those currently in position of the cross is this: 1. If you do not return the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order, to the CVA, within 48 hours then I will personally execute 8000 Minmatar slaves. 2. For every 24 hours after this that the Cross of the Sacred Throne Order is not in CVA hands then I will execute another 8000 salves. 3. Should you receive the Mamet 500 in return for the Cross then I will immediatly terminate the lives of 30000 minmatar slaves and 5000 a week until I have taken my last breath. It is for the terrorists to decide whether or not they can live with the deaths of so many in return for the Mamet 500. Many may calim that I have stooped to the level of these terrorists by taking these actions, this may be true, however I have never claimed to be a man with lofty morals. Xen'on Nope, you never have, but you can now certainly claim to be a man with unintelligent unoriginality. Someone already tried to attempt these rather idiotic measures, and he got put down by CVA. Think up something original to get back of Ushra'Kahn and stop wasting thread space... ------------ You'll never forget your first Dime...
Hamish	Posted - 2005.03.27 00:56:00 - [136] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Not that I particularly care what you do with your (probably imaginary) stable, but if you're going to piss away a perfectly worthwhile work-force, at least let me have the pick of the litter - my command ship took one hell of a beating recently and I'm suddenly short on competent engineers for the aft reactor decks. Slave crew ?!? You're really starting to try my patience Istvaan, I don't know how much longer I can tolerate this. The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.27 01:11:00 - [137] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 27/03/2005 01:11:06 Well! I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your growing self-assertion. To humour you, I should tell you about the hearty laughs we have - that poor slave crew and I - while reading the SPCS guidelines for slave treatment. Compared to the guidelines they live in relative luxury, in the starship crew quarters in Wirashoda among their minders and crewmates, and enjoy three square meals a day of the finest cuisine that shithole can offer. While they belong in title to the half-dozen odd Holders and charter officers aboard the Chorus of Angels, I retain oversight on their treatment. There's simply no better crew for an Amarr warship. By the way... the next time we see one another face to face, remind me to brush you up a little on public communications channel etiquette, and to remind you who it is that tolerates whom in our little relationship. Looks like you've got it a little backwards.
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.03.27 07:43:00 - [138] Now that CVA has called your bluff on this matter, what are your plans? I'm sure something will be done, some way to publicly turn this into some kind of propaganda victory, but what, if any, actual damage to your enemy do you think can be inflicted? Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.27 14:56:00 - [139] The CVA has gone against the blessing of an esteemed holder. I'd say the damage is about to be wrought - only time and patience telling its full extent. Cigar while you wait?
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.03.27 15:39:00 - [140] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The CVA has gone against the blessing of an esteemed holder. I'd say the damage is about to be wrought - only time and patience telling its full extent. Cigar while you wait? the damage that would have been done by negotiating with terrorists and low thiefs would have been a lot worse i think. amarr and the CVA in particular will not bow to acts of terrorism! we have made sacrifices and will keep on doing so if we must to keep amarr strong!
Fasute Sethnakte	Posted - 2005.03.27 15:55:00 - [141] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The CVA has gone against the blessing of an esteemed holder. I'd say the damage is about to be wrought - only time and patience telling its full extent. Cigar while you wait? I must admit, Mr. Shogaatsu has a better understanding of Amarrian politics than most Amarrians. He does have the advantage of being an outsider, and can better see through self-imposed veils. I remember the last time he visited Sabaoth Inc, he and his Slaver, a most excellent example of love and disipline, Mr. Croix and he had an interesting political spar, and even baffled Mr. Croix with a few well placed opinions. I can only hope he will visit again. To the topic at hand, this is indeed quite a quagmire. On one hand you have a simple piece of metal and cloth intellectually worth more than the value of entire Alliance assets. One the other hand, you have higly trained trained beasts that hold symbolic value to Holder Ankigher and the monkeys. Personally, niether hold any signifigant value to myself. These are mere commodities. Admiral Golan has his title which cannot ever be taken away. As for the 500 pleasure slaves, they should remain as property, and not as a bargining chip. I will simply say that the CVA should not negotiate with the terrorists, and should instead teach the whelps a lesson in Amarrian punishment for petty crimes. I am attempting my own external investigation of this theft, as I am more inclined to associate with personalities that PIE would not consider. Any results in these investigations will be made public. Oh, and Mr. Shogaatsu, should you visit, do bring your companion along. I have some excellent filet for him to chew on. Have a nice day, citizens... ______ SPCS Board Of Advisors Member (Science)
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.03.28 12:49:00 - [142] Quote: Cigar while you wait? Don't mind if I do. eyes the Caldari as he lights the end Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
papaPadla	Posted - 2005.03.29 12:36:00 - [143] Those that fight slavery and amarr slavers are heroes to me. Beeing freed after a "pirates" raid on a slave transport i sure apreciate the work they do. But to apreciate those that do nothing and want nothing but being slaves and not fight for theyr freedom is a waste in my opinion. Melt that cross and make some bullets and i will gladly pay 1 bilion for just one of them bullets and i an sure more people will do likewise. I need nothing but my tempest to free some slaves that want to fight for freedom (as my whole crew, just like me is made up from escaped slaves) Thrash the honnor, the hitory and everything that cross means to them. Amarrs have trashed our ideals for a loong time now we can trash theyr ideals and beliefs ------------------------------------- As good as any and better than most.
papaPadla	Posted - 2005.03.29 12:38:00 - [144] To be clear. I will pay 1 bilion ISK for 15 grams of metal from that cross and also swear to spend my life freeing those that want freedom ------------------------------------- As good as any and better than most.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.30 13:32:00 - [145] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/03/2005 13:37:06 Looks like the Imperial Chamberlain has issued a Chamberlain smackdown! Did I call this, or what? puff puff Oh, and Papa? Tanning booth. Use it.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.03.30 13:50:00 - [146] Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 30/03/2005 13:51:18 Okay, I'm going to cast aside my freespace ideals here. Forget the fact that I'm currently at war with you. For the next few minutes, think of me as an impartial bystander offering his view. Who happens to be Caldari. Not a very loyal citizen of the State, but a Caldari. The most important thing in the world? Business. Profit isn't always about monetary gain; it's about gain in all fields, including whatever metaphysical spiritual mumbo-jumbo you hold dear. What do you gain from being stubborn about negotiating with an individual who's obviously got you over the figurative (and likely 1400mm) barrel? Nothing. Take the trade and move on. What do you gain from being thick with your superiors in the Empire? Nothing. Take the trade and keep them happy. What do you gain from making a spectacle of wringing your hands over a conundrum that can easily be solved with the application of logic over your time-honored rhetoric? Ab-so-lute-ly NOTHING. Take the damn trade. I'd swear the secret behind the strength of Amarrian ships is that you've somehow managed to harness the power of your own jackassery. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.03.30 14:01:00 - [147] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/03/2005 13:37:06 Looks like the Imperial Chamberlain has issued a Chamberlain smackdown! Did I call this, or what? puff puff Oh, and Papa? Tanning booth. Use it. You certainly did. I must say, in a perverse way, I was rather pleased that the CVA refused to surrender their principles to the whim of the rather decadent and effete Holder Ankigher. I suppose it comes as no surprise that the Imperial Chamberlain sides with an ineffective buffoon who was incapable of securing his territory without the assistance of a paramilitary gang like the CVA. Even so, it seems pungently ironic that the very group that received plaudits for 'securing' that space are now reprimanded by the political right hand of the Emperor. While I am opposed to the territorial designs of the CVA, in some ways I continue to hope they will defy the 'powers that be' and refuse to allow themselves to be guided down paths they do not wish to travel. Our world is so much better served when it is we the capsuleers that make decisions for ourselves, rather than shadowy figures and corrupt officials making them for us... The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.03.30 14:14:00 - [148] Unfortunately these 'Mamet 500' are Matari only by genetics. In all other ways but 'self will' they are Amarran, indoctrinated and eugenicized into the society as thoroughly as a cybernetically augmented killing machine is its software. I say keep the bloody cross, or vaporize it publically. These 500 slaves are the worst sort to 'free', as they will fight harder to return to their Masters than we would attempting to free them. This is a very rare breed of slave, I grant, as most most gladly come over to freedom. These will only be disruptive and vocal, if not violent, against the system that grants them the ability to choose. Given that ability, I daresay they would likely choose to return to the grinding heel of their master. Unlikely it is that any of them have ever felt the kiss of a drovers lash or the vicious power in a Slave Hound's jaws. Forget them, use this 'Relic' for other much more worthwhile endeavors, Hamish.
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.03.30 14:20:00 - [149] Edited by: Archbishop on 30/03/2005 14:22:38 A statement by the CVA has been issued HERE . Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.03.30 14:25:00 - [150] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/03/2005 14:29:00 Quote: Unfortunately these 'Mamet 500' are Matari only by genetics. In all other ways but 'self will' they are Amarran, indoctrinated and eugenicized into the society as thoroughly as a cybernetically augmented killing machine is its software. Kinda like the Outcast aren't really Matari either, and should be driven out and killed? For a race whose very being is defined by their struggle for freedom, your ability to sever and segment entire portions of your populace away and condemn them never ceases to impress me. With such callous displays of shamelessly selective morality, there may be hope for you people yet.

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