NOT POSSIBLE!!!

Ganking CAN'T be done in Eve anymore.

Mackinaws are INVULNERABLE.

No way man. I've been reading for days and days about "Eve is dying" because of the Mack buff. yaddy ya....

And if...errr... "not profitable".... what would be the errr..... reason..... for.... the.... errr... interdiction?

Lies. All lies.

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.

So ganking Macks IS possible AND it's able to be done PROFITABLY.

So you are taking over NC. space because............

I lolled.

So let me get this straight.

Before the mining barges' improvements, it was the miners' fault if they were suicide-ganked, because they did not tank their ship. I can understand that and agree.
Now, after they had an improvement on their ships to tank better, and even if the rigs,low/med slots are used to tank, it is their fault if they die, because they mine AFK? Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6.

Have you ever mined? Even if you begin doing it while being completely awake, it is sooooo boring that you'll end up falling asleep anyway.

The barge buff was not that necessary. The mining profession just needed to be less boring to entertain miners and force them to stay awake in front of their screen.

83, 447 EHP Skiff mining 30 Ice an hr says you might want to just enjoy the cheap fuel.

You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too?

But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots.

And no ganker rage??!! My dear fellow, where HAVE you been?

Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

No you dont see a difference. CCP buffed their EHP because they were primitively cheap to gank. Even well fitted mackiaw was easily ganked by 2-3 catalysts and were profitable to gankers. What CCP did was just balance their EHP. They can be still profitable like some of l4 mission boats. You just have to search for expensive target.

I mentioned this a thousand times. Extremely low PowerGrid. While HAC could fit large tank extenders, miners couldnt.

If CCP had done this then a bunch of people would have posted various utility fits for the procurer and skiff and hurf-blurfed about combat barges. I understand that in your mind an intrinsic part of balance is maintaining a certain consistency in "ease to gank" a completely untanked ship of different types...but I question why you think anyone else, CCP or otherwise, would share that opinion. I certainly don't--noncombat ships are given less fitting flexibility to impede their ability to be fitted for combat, and therefore are 'balanced' with higher base EHP compared to combat ships. CCP has followed this plan for years--but for some reason intentionally made mining ships, compared to other industrials, extra fragile. I can guess that this reason was to make ganking mining bots easier, and have bots/afk miners be vulnerable. You guys started exploiting this fact to kill ATK miners, and CCP changed their philosophy, as one could have easily predicted.

I certainly can't stop you from continuining to hurf-blurf about this fictitious brand of balance, but rest assured that CCP that whatever option they chose, a different subset of forum-posters would complain about it, and that they planned on ignoring this specific group of complaints years before you even made them.

I don't know, man. All I know is that Effective HP are not actual HP. And that the killmail says total damage taken. If that's not what actually happened, then boo on the killmail system.

Being insta-targeted, scrammed into IMMOBILITY and popped within 10 seconds is 'dumb' ? How so ?

It would be kinda hilarious if KB coders would write updates to their boards that went out to CCP hourly to download CONCORD kills and automatically update the killboards. :)

See all those epic KB stats fall flat on their faces.

Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.

Your Corp association tells me and everyone else here ALL we need to know.

People STILL do dumb **** making them profitable to kill, and the new crime system will be awesome and make people able to make a living revenging the ganked

New crimewatch might change that a bit though ?
I'm imagining mining corps competing over a systems belts (it happens often from what I've seen in some areas), then them putting bounties on each other for the gankers to cash in on.