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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:41:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space.
it was actually a C3 from hi-sec, but w/eve the point is WE WERE stuck until today
somebody probed their static to the c4 T405 then we made it to low sec
so the C3 had a C4 which closed behind us, make you feel any better?
The dead end chain exists, it's like a Bermuda Triangle of rl. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2012.10.17 01:04:00 -
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You know very well that dead end chains in wh space are possible. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
666
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Posted - 2012.10.17 01:22:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:You know very well that dead end chains in wh space are possible.
simple logic dictates otherwise. closed loops? sure. dead end chains? not possible given WH static mechanics. |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2012.10.17 01:41:00 -
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You are right. I was reffering to closed loops as dead ends. My mistake. |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:31:00 -
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Vegas, could it be that the last system you entered was from its static? Its the only way other than a bug, and ithas a simple solution |

Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:42:00 -
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The last time I was in a loop like that, the static wh of my home static was connected back to my home. It was a very short loop: Home -> C5 -> Home. however that wh had an incoming wh from NS. The old rule that a 5-6 wh long chain must have at least one k-space connect was holding true.
However, had the NS incoming wh collapsed, if I had used it to bring capitals for example, would a new connection to k-space had appear shortly after? Next time I am in a loop like that I will try.
But I am guessing that if CCP makes sure WH chains always have a connection to k-space it only enforces it when a new static or regional wh is created. If the only k-space connection in a chain dies, you only get a new connection to k-space when one of the static in the chain dies as well or when a regional or k-space incoming wh appear randomly. |

Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
10
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Posted - 2012.10.17 16:29:00 -
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It's entirely possible for a chain to be closed.
In fact the day we moved into Polaris our first Static was Nova. And Nova's static was Polaris thus creating a 2 system closed loop.
We didn't have any cycling ships and we had to ask Aharm to be so kind as to close our connection into them so as to give us a chance to find a K space Null/Low with the new Chain 
Since then we have had closed loops ranging up to 5 and 10 systems.
Wormhole space does not guarantee exits deal with it  |

VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:09:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Vegas, could it be that the last system you entered was from its static? Its the only way other than a bug, and ithas a simple solution.
Edit: re reading the op, that is what happened. You may have missed the static from the one before tje last system.
You're right the last wormhole I found was it's static so I entered through a K-162
As I mentioned I saw other probers within the chain (they must have probed out their static and fell into my deadend chain), not sure if they just gave up or not.
It's nice to have confirmation from above posters that it is in fact "working as intended", I've read all the books, guides and countless threads but never saw anything discussed like this... glad I didn't petition it :P
for a bit I thought I was losing my mind, rushing up and down the chain probing and re-probing hoping none of YOUs found my fleet
I survived the torturous wormhole debacle, no isk, no kills, 1 full game day loss... back to Jita undock for me. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2012.10.17 18:13:00 -
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After five hours of scanning..., thats borderlining the tilerance edge for me. |

Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
69
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Posted - 2012.10.18 00:37:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:WH chains will always end in a HS/LS/NS exit unless you get a closed loop which is very rare but does happen. (EG, you can have C4a > C4b C4c > back to C4a.)
Looking at the chain you listed, you must have missed a sig somewhere.
This. It is impossible to get in a closed chain without static'ing into another wormhole in your chain.
If you do, it's bad luck; wait it out and scan it again the next day.
C4, C5, and C6 always (?) have statics to other wormholes. C3 always have a connection to k-space, C1s and C2s always have a k-space (I THINK) and sometimes another wormhole (I.e. C2-> low-sec/C2).
Of these, all but C4 can have random K-space connections (wandering wormholes).
The worst I've had was c4-c4-c4-c4-c5-c5-c5-c6-c5-c5-low-sec random.
Just keep scanning; the more C5s you have the more likely you are to find a random wormhole or a non-static connection. C4s can be good sometimes because of the C2 wormholes that are C4/HS.
Svodola Darkfury. |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:27:00 -
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though it is possible to get a closed loop, its extremely rare. also, the changing story and this being a vegasmirage thread, i really doubt this is anything but made up
if it is though, you found one of the most rare chains in wh space. you should be pleased :)
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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:20:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:though it is possible to get a closed loop, its extremely rare. also, the changing story and this being a vegasmirage thread, i really doubt this is anything but made up
if it is though, you found one of the most rare chains in wh space. you should be pleased :)
love the butthurt bro, it looks good on you - try not to change likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.10.18 16:41:00 -
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Nah he's right vegas, you are a prat.
*edit, although to add content I can understand the oddness of the situation. In this case I actually believe you aren't trolling! What happened to everyone else? I have images of lot's of lost ships wandering decaying wormholes desperate for an exit they can never probe to find. |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
123
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Posted - 2012.10.18 18:26:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote: it looks good on you - try not to change
im so gorgeous, i look good with anything
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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:32:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Nah he's right vegas, you are a prat.
*edit, although to add content I can understand the oddness of the situation. In this case I actually believe you aren't trolling! What happened to everyone else? I have images of lot's of lost ships wandering decaying wormholes desperate for an exit they can never probe to find.
Christine you're another fanboi?
I checked Christine and yes you should be mad, since to date I've blown up over 50 billion isk worth of your stuffs in J160311 and had you war dec'd for over 6 months. (you asked me to list the kills, remember on that epic thread-naught - and I did and you said ... "I didn't need that stuff anyways"
you're a famous stalker/whiner now, this is you right https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=427519
AND the last engagement I set up (manipulated whatever you wanna call it) I had Hathrul another "VegasMirage Fanboi" (unknowingly) help to bleed 20 billion isk in your wh. Well I'm sorrrrry. that's all I can say, sorry. 
20 bill killed 700 mill lost : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13759680
Hathrul, you did well my Padawan. I look forward to more usage of you in the near future.
Ok, back to the thread - this happened there are closed dead-end chains that exceed 8 systems. I was there it was no fun as others pointed out.
Guys that hate, it's bad try to move on.
likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Malception
Cold Moon Destruction Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:44:00 -
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what a douche. |

VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:51:00 -
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Malception wrote:what a douche.
I know right. Some peeeeeople. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
155
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:18:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Nah he's right vegas, you are a prat.
*edit, although to add content I can understand the oddness of the situation. In this case I actually believe you aren't trolling! What happened to everyone else? I have images of lot's of lost ships wandering decaying wormholes desperate for an exit they can never probe to find. Christine you're another fanboi? I checked Christine and yes you should be mad, since to date I've blown up over 50 billion isk worth of your stuffs in J160311 and had you war dec'd for over 6 months. (you asked me to list the kills, remember on that epic thread-naught - and I did and you said ... "I didn't need that stuff anyways" you're a famous stalker/whiner now, this is you right https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=427519AND the last engagement I set up (manipulated whatever you wanna call it) I had Hathrul another "VegasMirage Fanboi" (unknowingly) help to bleed 20 billion isk in your wh. Well I'm sorrrrry.  that's all I can say, sorry.  20 bill killed 700 mill lost : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13759680Hathrul, you did well my Padawan. I look forward to more usage of you in the near future. Ok, back to the thread - this happened there are closed dead-end chains that exceed 8 systems. I was there it was no fun as others pointed out. Guys that hate, it's bad try to move on.
Touch a nerve did I V3gas? I'm only apparently famous to you. Anyone that has read that thread will know your bleating well. I lost nothing. I can't be arsed with you this round because I am sure that you get most of your enjoyment out of this game winding people up.
So this will be my last reply, see you in space o/
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
676
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:28:00 -
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I see this thread has finally descended into the 'vegas is a douche'/'omg you mad bro' bickering most vegas threads turn into. good to see some consistency :)
(generally speaking, both parties tend to be correct in this matter, making the argument rather moot.) |

VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:30:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Nah he's right vegas, you are a prat.
*edit, although to add content I can understand the oddness of the situation. In this case I actually believe you aren't trolling! What happened to everyone else? I have images of lot's of lost ships wandering decaying wormholes desperate for an exit they can never probe to find. Christine you're another fanboi? I checked Christine and yes you should be mad, since to date I've blown up over 50 billion isk worth of your stuffs in J160311 and had you war dec'd for over 6 months. (you asked me to list the kills, remember on that epic thread-naught - and I did and you said ... "I didn't need that stuff anyways" you're a famous stalker/whiner now, this is you right https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=427519AND the last engagement I set up (manipulated whatever you wanna call it) I had Hathrul another "VegasMirage Fanboi" (unknowingly) help to bleed 20 billion isk in your wh. Well I'm sorrrrry.  that's all I can say, sorry.  20 bill killed 700 mill lost : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13759680Hathrul, you did well my Padawan. I look forward to more usage of you in the near future. Ok, back to the thread - this happened there are closed dead-end chains that exceed 8 systems. I was there it was no fun as others pointed out. Guys that hate, it's bad try to move on. Touch a nerve did I V3gas? I'm only apparently famous to you. Anyone that has read that thread will know your bleating well. I lost nothing. I can't be arsed with you this round because I am sure that you get most of your enjoyment out of this game winding people up. So this will be my last reply, see you in space o/
you tickled me lol'ing nerve
it's a shame your types can't just say "gf" and move on, always trying to justify your fail
you should thank me, I made you quit that fail alliance and move on
likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:36:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I see this thread has finally descended into the 'vegas is a douche'/'omg you mad bro' bickering most vegas threads turn into. good to see some consistency :)
(generally speaking, both parties tend to be correct in this matter, making the argument rather moot.)
eat cookies while owners watch, they can do nothing... makes them mad
not sure if your opinion matters Jack, you were in Narwhals (kinda biased don't ya think) likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:03:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I see this thread has finally descended into the 'vegas is a douche'/'omg you mad bro' bickering most vegas threads turn into. good to see some consistency :)
(generally speaking, both parties tend to be correct in this matter, making the argument rather moot.)
pretty much this. shame old topics get lost. now we get a new one every so often, and its still not that interesting |

VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:19:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:Jack Miton wrote:I see this thread has finally descended into the 'vegas is a douche'/'omg you mad bro' bickering most vegas threads turn into. good to see some consistency :)
(generally speaking, both parties tend to be correct in this matter, making the argument rather moot.) pretty much this. shame old topics get lost. now we get a new one every so often, and its still not that interesting
yes yes bitter vet syndrome with sooo much on your plate
tell me of your busy schedule please, I'm interested likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2012.10.18 22:54:00 -
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I'm starting to appteciate your trolls, Vegas. Seems to have a pettern there and me likes. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
677
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:28:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:not sure if your opinion matters Jack, you were in Narwhals (kinda biased don't ya think)
considering narwhals no longer exists, i hardly see the relevance. i also spent 18months in CCRES, maybe i should hate AHARM for evicting us back then, oh wait.... |

Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:51:00 -
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Posting in a VegasMirage Thread:
just get into you cloaky Titan and cyno out.
Or look for K162s, but thats probably beneath you. |

Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
1
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:34:00 -
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Back to the OP's situation, you could always just crash one of the links ... once you've scanned a closed loop, any ships on the wrong side can just go the long way around and you have a new WH chain to scan out. |
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