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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:58:00 -
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So, there I am sitting on the Jita 4-4 undock thinking there must be more to Eve Online besides bait ganking badly fit ships.
Wormholes!!! I probe out a wormhole from hisec, jump in and find a C4. It's full of sleeper sites (forget the official term) Amons or something, anyways I get a fleet together, they ask if its safe and whether I have a prober in the wormhole. Of course I have a prober in there you nitwit.
The assembled fleet of t3's with Scimi and recon support jump into the wh. The wormhole closes behind us leaving our noctis pilot in hi sec. "Anybody have a salvager on your tengu?"... "No."
Ok, so it's time to just find an exit back to hi sec and leave this wormhole stuff to the experts. I begin probing and probing and probing...
The C4 only has connections to its own static, another C4, which after probing 20-25 sigs connects to its static a C5 which led to another C4 with a static C5 and on and on for about 5 hours. Finally at the last wormhole, the chain was totally closed with no other way out but through its static which I came through.
(1) C4 > (2) C4 > (3) C5/ (4) C4 > (5) C5 > (6) C4 >(7) C5 > (8) C5
I fly my space ship back and forth through the chain dropping probes hoping for a new sig, it doesn't come. My fleet, logged off and no longer talking to me.
Is this "working as intended"? What's the longest chain you've been in that didn't lead to null/low or hi sec. Why would CCP allow for a wh chain to actually be "closed" with no way out.
This is the problem with being a Nomad. The isk isn't worth it imo.
likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
El Liptonez
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:12:00 -
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Looking at how you've been in four class 4's, that's 50% of the systems that never have a k-space exit. I am not entirely sure about C5s and C6s, but most, if not all of those only come with w-space statics too.
You only were in four systems that could in theory have k-space exits but aren't bound to, you didn't even get unlucky. Complaining about not finding a k-space exit in four wormholes is like complaining the droprate of nanoribbons has been nerfed when you didn't get a single one from two anoms. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:14:00 -
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Its an interesting one as its not really working as intended but it working the way it works - when you play W-Space as most people do - living there gives you the collapsing ships so when you end up with a situation like that you crash your static and usually get a new chain that has a k-space exit somewhere. |
Milena Chang
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:48:00 -
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Poasting in a stealth "stuck and I can't get out" thread.
Seriously though, I would say this is working as intended; wormhole space is supposed to be dangerous, and the mechanics behind wormhole spawn/collapse are an essential part of that.
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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:54:00 -
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Some of you posting above do not understand what it is I'm "whinning" about.
It's not being stuck in a wormhole and can't get out, it's being stuck in a chain that is closed with no more possibilities but wait the 24 hour timers and hope a k-space exit is attached in the new chain or some random opens an exit from their static.
The question is have you been stuck in a "chain" before that leads nowhere but back to where you started?
This is a first for me. Usually, I'm probing for days sometimes weeks but never been closed off to new wh possibilities in a dead end chain.
Then again, I'm nomading so many of you who live in wh's proly don't know what I'm talking about.
likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:58:00 -
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Not sure if serious. Blatant misspellings like amons remind me of all those nigerian email scams.
That being said, I got stuck in a C4 static C5 collapsing the hole a month or so ago. It took about 4 hours of scanning to finally find a way back to k-space.
Next time check the C4's static before deciding if you want to enter.
Also fishy. I'm pretty sure everyone has said C4's never have a k-space connection. Yet you found it from high sec. |
VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:03:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Not sure if serious. Blatant misspellings like amons remind me of all those nigerian email scams.
That being said, I got stuck in a C4 static C5 collapsing the hole a month or so ago. It took about 4 hours of scanning to finally find a way back to k-space.
Next time check the C4's static before deciding if you want to enter.
Also fishy. I'm pretty sure everyone has said C4's never have a k-space connection. Yet you found it from high sec.
here fishy fishy...
no nothing fishy going on, was just sharing an experience
again, I understand what you went through, it's normal - being stuck in a dead end chain of 8 or so wormholes is something you should look forward to ;)
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Wolvun
Crimson Cell
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:10:00 -
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Right click your ship.
Self destruct.
Right click your pod.
Self destruct.
Tell us how shiny your ship was.
Tell us how shiny your pod was.
Allow us to take great joy in your dismay.
I'm pretty sure this will apply at some point. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:15:00 -
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WH chains will always end in a HS/LS/NS exit unless you get a closed loop which is very rare but does happen.
(EG, you can have C4a > C4b C4c > back to C4a.)
Looking at the chain you listed, you must have missed a sig somewhere. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:31:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:
Is this "working as intended"? What's the longest chain you've been in that didn't lead to null/low or hi sec. Why would CCP allow for a wh chain to actually be "closed" with no way out.
This is the problem with being a Nomad. The isk isn't worth it imo.
there is always a way out of every wormhole, its just not always to k-space.
you word your question on the assumption people only scan in wormholes looking for a 'way out' to k-space |
VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:50:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:WH chains will always end in a HS/LS/NS exit unless you get a closed loop which is very rare but does happen.
(EG, you can have C4a > C4b C4c > back to C4a.)
Looking at the chain you listed, you must have missed a sig somewhere.
After probing the sigs out 3 or 4 times in each wormhole, I decided to take screen shots so I didn't have to probe again. I actually was surprised by the closed chain. The chain doesn't end up in the wormhole I started in (appologize for leading you to believe that) it led to 2 dead end wormholes with only statics that somebody probed out (funny cause I saw other probes in the chain so others were also stuck in the same situation).
Also, nobody lives in ANY of these wormholes. Lots of abandoned towers and mods.
likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2012.10.16 02:21:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Jack Miton wrote:WH chains will always end in a HS/LS/NS exit unless you get a closed loop which is very rare but does happen.
(EG, you can have C4a > C4b C4c > back to C4a.)
Looking at the chain you listed, you must have missed a sig somewhere. After probing the sigs out 3 or 4 times in each wormhole, I decided to take screen shots so I didn't have to probe again. I actually was surprised by the closed chain. The chain doesn't end up in the wormhole I started in (appologize for leading you to believe that) it led to 2 dead end wormholes with only statics that somebody probed out (funny cause I saw other probes in the chain so others were also stuck in the same situation). Also, nobody lives in ANY of these wormholes. Lots of abandoned towers and mods.
That's the nature of C4 wormholes, theres a reason why not many people live in C4's, along with better isk/hr in C3/C2 wormholes. |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.10.16 02:31:00 -
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You had to have gone through a k162, if you go static static static static eventually you'll be free. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2012.10.16 04:59:00 -
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Unless it was one of those pesky hi sec->C4 roaming Wormholes that got them in there in the first place. |
VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 06:54:00 -
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Hamatitio wrote:You had to have gone through a k162, if you go static static static static eventually you'll be free.
no there were a lot of K-162's along the way (also from hi sec)
the key here is being stuck in a limited chain of wh's that dead ends on both sides, I didn't think it possible but it has happened
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Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.10.16 07:14:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote: to just find an exit back to hi sec and leave this wormhole stuff to the experts. I begin probing and probing and probing...
The C4 only has connections to its own static, another C4, which after probing 20-25 sigs connects to its static a C5 which led to another C4 with a static C5 and on and on for about 5 hours. Finally at the last wormhole, the chain was totally closed with no other way out but through its static which I came through.
(1) C4 > (2) C4 > (3) C5/ (4) C4 > (5) C5 > (6) C4 >(7) C5 > (8) C5
Here is the issue. It is quite clear that the last WH you entered, was NOT the static of the WH you left.
You must have gone through a K162 into that very last WH.
Had it not been a K162, the WH you entered would have had a static of its own, and not been the return route home.
You need to use static mapper or sites like that to figure out the static of each WH you are in.
Living in a WH for more than a year, we have never once had an issue like you just described. Every static leads somewhere.
The only time we find a dead end is going into a K162 to find out the WH we just entered's static is the WH we just left. |
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.16 07:18:00 -
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Know that feeling of having long and many chains
Old chain of us
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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2012.10.16 07:19:00 -
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Sassums wrote:VegasMirage wrote: to just find an exit back to hi sec and leave this wormhole stuff to the experts. I begin probing and probing and probing...
The C4 only has connections to its own static, another C4, which after probing 20-25 sigs connects to its static a C5 which led to another C4 with a static C5 and on and on for about 5 hours. Finally at the last wormhole, the chain was totally closed with no other way out but through its static which I came through.
(1) C4 > (2) C4 > (3) C5/ (4) C4 > (5) C5 > (6) C4 >(7) C5 > (8) C5
Here is the issue. It is quite clear that the last WH you entered, was NOT the static of the WH you left. You must have gone through a K162 into that very last WH. Had it not been a K162, the WH you entered would have had a static of its own, and not been the return route home. You need to use static mapper or sites like that to figure out the static of each WH you are in. Living in a WH for more than a year, we have never once had an issue like you just described. Every static leads somewhere. The only time we find a dead end is going into a K162 to find out the WH we just entered's static is the WH we just left.
I'm registered with WormNav lived in wh space for 2 years, been nomading for a year. It's chained, tracked, screen shots taken etc.,
The last wormhole was a K162 as I said above, it was the C5's static back to the wh I came in from, no other sigs available int that last wh. The same from the C4 I started from, only the static which I probed out b/c the wh we came thru collapsed (EOL).
I started the thread b/c it seemed to be something rare.
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Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.10.16 07:30:00 -
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7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space. |
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.16 08:02:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space.
coaltion high maybe... ? |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.10.16 08:09:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space.
This. Class 4s don't connect to k-space. There has been no known sighting of a O128 wormhole going into C4, and there's no class of wormhole that departs C4 to k-space. |
Janus Nanzikambe
Fer Lomarcan
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.10.16 08:19:00 -
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Have to agree with Durzel on this one, I've lived with a C4 as a static since wormhole were introduced, I've scanned literally thousands of C4s I have never seen a highsec to C4 connection making it along with the fabled > 1.3b kg jumpable WH the only WHs I've never seen in game.
Thread being what it is, I'd suggest it's mostly if not entirely a fabrication.
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.10.16 09:46:00 -
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Longest chain I've ever seen was about 7 or 8 C4s, ending in a C1 to Lowsec and starting with a C2 that linked to Highsec and the first C4.
And yes, working as intended. And if iirc, there are no empire connections ever, linking to C4 space.
So it's far more likely you entered a C5 from highsec and closed it behind you.
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
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Posted - 2012.10.16 10:14:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space.
I thought all holes had a random chance of having holes leading to high sec locations (obviously not the static tho) or does that just apply to C1-3 holes ?
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.10.16 10:46:00 -
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Obax Bannon wrote:Aducat Ragnarson wrote:7/10
Tell us again how you jumped into the wormhole from highsec and it was a c4... That part was so totally believable because c4 holes can totally connect to k-space. I thought all holes had a random chance of having holes leading to high sec locations (obviously not the static tho) or does that just apply to C1-3 holes ?
All Classes EXCEPT C4s can have random ins and outs from k-space (HI/LO/NULL).
C4s got trolled by CCP hard. 
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Robert Fish
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
1
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Posted - 2012.10.16 11:29:00 -
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If your going nomad then you should/must have an orca with you which you can then use to collapse the chain and try your luck with the next one.
If you don't have an orca then you derserve to be trapped waiting for the static to collapse. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.10.16 11:49:00 -
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I remember devs stating after Apocrypha release that wormhole systems can never be nested more than five systems deep until you find an exit to k-space. So far I have not experienced a situation where this 'rule' was violated. Even if it was only an incoming hole from nullsec in the fifth system.
Assuming the OP is not just trolling, his mistake with the 'C4 from hisec' probably shows that he's not as dilligent as he thinks, and he just overlooked something.
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.10.16 12:35:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Hamatitio wrote:You had to have gone through a k162, if you go static static static static eventually you'll be free. no there were a lot of K-162's along the way (also from hi sec) the key here is being stuck in a limited chain of wh's that dead ends on both sides, I didn't think it possible but it has happened
People picked up quickly on your false claim of entering C4 from high sec but this gem went unnoticed...
You're stuck in a wormhole chain with no way to get to k-space, all the while having K162's from high sec? Umm okay....
Assuming for a second that you're not trolling, you do realize that you can enter K162's? There are no such things as dead ends in wormholes, sure you might have to roll a connection or wait until you find a better one, but it's never a permanent situation that'd leave you stuck there. |
Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:01:00 -
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Posting in a Vegas thread, 2/10
You got some responses...
WSpace; Best space. |
RingRaith
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
0
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:22:00 -
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It's true guys. I saw him when he finally found a wh that went 50km off the Jita 4-4 undock. True story |
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