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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:28:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Jasper Dark wrote:Been a long while since I did them and never successfully I'm looking at my direction in Eve and I may try incursions... Are they worth doing? risk vs reward? They're pretty decent in nullsec. For those not aware of sarcasm: - Not a single lowsec nor nullsec incursion has been completed/finished/won ever since the incursion nerf back in late spring 2012. GF ccp
Replaced for easy-to-get/exploit (pick your choice) FW lp's
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
318
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:58:00 -
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Condensed for the OP: In line with most other high sec content. Courier missions RP agents Mining missions Mag sites Belt ratting Loot farming ATK Mining
Everything besides level 4 security missions. |
Jasper Dark
Strip Miners in Space
1
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Posted - 2012.10.17 06:58:00 -
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Let me state, I am not against high risk...
Risk is everything and reward should equal that...
If the reward of Incursions is low but the risk is high (risk of losing ship) then its not worth it. If risk is high and payout is high then its worth it!
That was why I was asking. No point spending a few bil on ship/fit for 20isk per hour...know what I mean??
So can we put away the "Want low risk run missions" tat .....
Also thank you for the response, it seems I have a bit more grinding to do to afford the ship/fit for incursions. I'm not in to Logi as I like to shot things
I guess I'll look elsewhere for giggles..... |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
171
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Posted - 2012.10.17 08:54:00 -
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Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.
P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets. |
Jasper Dark
Strip Miners in Space
1
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:02:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.
P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets.
Thanks for the info, I'll need to look in to joining a corp that will allow someone like me (T2 Armor Tank and Amarr BS with meta4 guns)
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Anomander Onzo
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
1
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:32:00 -
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Alright, I'll post something a bit different here. Yes incursion are still being run, while they may not be such a lucrative source of income as they were before the patch, they are most definitely still being run. Since i see that your going for an armor fit, join the in game channel "The Ditanian Fleet", that is where most of the public armor fleets are run out of. For shield fits join the channel "The Valhalla Project". The folks in these channels will be more than happy to answer any questions you have. |
Maximillion Jacobe
JORP Co.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:23:00 -
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Jasper Dark wrote:Lipbite wrote:Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.
P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets. Thanks for the info, I'll need to look in to joining a corp that will allow someone like me (T2 Armor Tank and Amarr BS with meta4 guns)
you don't need to join their corp. Just join channel 'The Valhalla Project' and speak up.. ask for a link to their fitting site, find something you can fly and X up with your fit.
As mentioned before, a t1 battleships w/ t2 mids and lows and meta level guns is acceptable for most TVP HQ fleets. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
385
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:53:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.
P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets.
CCP has been tight fistedon statistics onIncursion payouts because they know they arse rayped Incursions ( especially in lo/NULL ) and don't want tospend the time on fixing what was broken. Getting them to admit that the Wall of OTA's was about to put a deatrh nail in HI SEC Incrursions was like pulling teeth. Not sure if Incursions nowhave found an equilibrium but CCP's ignoring of many ofthe Incursion communities lead to the death of them. BTL died TDF/Armour has had aslowlingering death sprial. A few isolated very shiney fleets are still making out ok but I believe they are growingsmallertoo.
I doubt CCP will ever publish stats on Incursions payouts again because it would be admitting to mistakes & Iwas surprisedthat CCP Soundwave in the CSM minutes admitted to breaking Incursions. I am not however surprised at the space rich CSM's reaction to the decimation of Incursions ( especially in null/lo )which was nothing because it did not affect thier own special interests. Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers:Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Staples Optima
D.A.R.P.A.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:25:00 -
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Highsec incursioning as a whole has been under a lot of stress recently, through all of the communities. There are differen levels of requirements from tvp/isn shield fleets and tdf armor fleets for hq's, and multiple different AS/Vg communties. The people who say incursioning is all about the isk/hr, are right in a sense, but wrong in a sense. Where all forgetting that this is a game, and if your not having fun then whas the point in spending time on it?
Granted alot of people like shiny fleets and so do I, but as a TVP HQ Fc I cannot neglect the fact that people have to start somewhere. The isk/hr of a HQ site varies entirely on the fleet comp, and the isk/risk ratios the same. But I honestly believe that in HQ's the more isk you pump into your ship, the less risk it is. An example, TCRc's. these have extremely high alpha, enough to catch a basilisk off guard and insta pop them. If you have a fleet of 30 maelstroms or somehing to that affect, then your not going to kick out nearly as much as a fleet of 30 machariels, as such, they high alpha stays on grid for longer. Granted there are other things to bare in mind, but as it stands, with the correct amount of logi backing up a decent fleet, why not pump 3+ billion ito your incursion ship in order to decrease the time between payouts. I love flying TCRC's tbh, because the time between starting and getting a wallet flash is lovely, and as someone has said, ships do get popped, but that is what donations and SRP's and people actually paying full attention is for right?
Anyone interested in looking into incursions and fits and where they feel they belong, feel free to evemail me |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
69
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:37:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Adoro wrote:They are your time worthwhile if you get a decent gang together (10+) in faction battleships. Nightmares, Machariels and Vindicators + some logistics. You make 100mil a hour easily if you keep grinding them.
Getting the gang together is the hardest part, incursions itself are boring-ish. But still better than most ISK making activities because they're kinda hard to do. PVP-level dps from NPC's + jamming. You need to think ahead about your tactics (like instapop them jamming ships) and work together as a team.
Ask about in the incursion channel (when you're in an incursion system it will pop up) about current gangs and see if you can join one. The better incursion groups do expect you to have a good fitted ship though (read above) so prepare to pay up for that faction bs. You should tell the OP that once the new bounty system kicks, in, there will be many griefers in the Incursion channels examining each fit posted to select players to but bounties on for maximum payout / grief tears. There will be squads of suicide griefers aka bounty hunters stalking every gate in and out of Incursion systems, just waiting for the high bounty/ high priced ships to come through.
Good, maybe that'll kill some of the fitting elitism that exists and give actual newbs a chance to get involved. I agree with the following assessment of the Mining Barge Buff and as a reformed "Greed-fit", High-sec AFK miner, I think that is saying something. -áMining Barge buff: CCP has acknowledged that miners in general are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
685
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Posted - 2012.10.19 01:32:00 -
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Korinne wrote:Incursions are an isk faucet at this point. Are they risk free? No, but the risk is wholly predictable and thus avoidable as it contains no human element. The only way I think incusions could work long term would be if they moved them all to lowsec, the very fact that they exist in high sec makes no real sense anyway.
Incursions are pretty risk free in highsec. |
Yimodo
Emphebion Emperium
2
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Posted - 2012.10.19 06:02:00 -
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Maximillion Jacobe wrote: - run with a reputable group, join channels 'BTL Pub' 'The ditanian fleet' 'The valhalla project' or 'BTL armor', follow their rules and fitting suggestions (ask for their fitting sites most groups have one)
You forgot to mention one channel: ISN Secondary.
Here is the forum post about ISN: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74543&find=unread
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
104
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Posted - 2012.10.19 06:37:00 -
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Cant complain about income than again i don't use plex for my gaming,it seams to me that when average ****** could earn enough isk to buy plex in a day ,not even trying to contribute with knowledge or outfitting the ship or in other words shitting isk out than they wore ok.
i believe that DDD and frig munching legions was the worse mistake ccp made with incursions and there are still consequences in form of whieners here and in game that just want it back like ccp is their mom or something.
Don't care about null but lo-sec should be different mechanic all together sites should be shorter to complete and payed 2ce less but compensated with running speed as well as NO local in affected systems strong sansha DPS only gate camps,and faster bringing down sansha influence scale for mom to show up. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
390
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:39:00 -
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TBH I think eventhough theEsclation nerf was paritially rolled back to profitablitily Incursions are losing numbers. It is closeto 2 years old with the same theme. Wish a new Incursion of another priate faction ( or Jove or sleepers or drones ) would be started & a conclusion of the Sansha Incursion ( like having to defeat a Sansha Titan BOSS in Sansha NPC space ) could bring Sansha's diabolical plans to a close. Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers:Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
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