Been a long while since I did them and never successfully

I'm looking at my direction in Eve and I may try incursions...

Are they worth doing? risk vs reward?

They're pretty decent in nullsec.

I've heard some months ago that they were worthless.

100 mil an hour in a good fleet.

Considerably less in a bad fleet.

they're just systems with pretty colors to me, need more systems looking like that

If by "pretty" you mean "sickly green" and by "more" you mean "none".

They are your time worthwhile if you get a decent gang together (10+) in faction battleships. Nightmares, Machariels and Vindicators + some logistics. You make 100mil a hour easily if you keep grinding them.

Ah so you need some top end shiny ships.... Think I'll give it a miss for now, maybe in a few months time...

Ah so you need some top end shiny ships.... Think I'll give it a miss for now, maybe in a few months time...

- no idea about armor fleets other than logi

They are your time worthwhile if you get a decent gang together (10+) in faction battleships. Nightmares, Machariels and Vindicators + some logistics. You make 100mil a hour easily if you keep grinding them.

Getting the gang together is the hardest part, incursions itself are boring-ish. But still better than most ISK making activities because they're kinda hard to do. PVP-level dps from NPC's + jamming. You need to think ahead about your tactics (like instapop them jamming ships) and work together as a team.

Ask about in the incursion channel (when you're in an incursion system it will pop up) about current gangs and see if you can join one. The better incursion groups do expect you to have a good fitted ship though (read above) so prepare to pay up for that faction bs.

You should tell the OP that once the new bounty system kicks, in, there will be many griefers in the Incursion channels examining each fit posted to select players to but bounties on for maximum payout / grief tears.

There will be squads of suicide griefers aka bounty hunters stalking every gate in and out of Incursion systems, just waiting for the high bounty/ high priced ships to come through.

Incursions are an isk faucet at this point. Are they risk free? No, but the risk is wholly predictable and thus avoidable as it contains no human element. The only way I think incusions could work long term would be if they moved them all to lowsec, the very fact that they exist in high sec makes no real sense anyway.

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Not everybody wants to play eve to PVP.. It's as simple as that and people need to accept it. If there are not 'relatively' safe ways to make money, fleet up and enjoy the game in highsec a sizable number of subscribers will leave, and this game will die.

Besides, there are plenty of options to grief incursion runners into the ground.. I know suicide ganking logi ships was popular for a while, and can ruin a fleets day.

Incursions in lowsec will just get perma-camped by pirates. Hi sec players are not there to provide an unending stream of kills to lowsec players (though the tend to do this enough as is without CCP making it a requisite mechanic)

EDIT: if the lowsec / nullsec incursions are going unused, the solution is very simple. Make them more financially rewarding to the point that the risk incurred is worth it.

Incursions are an isk faucet at this point. Are they risk free? No, but the risk is wholly predictable and thus avoidable as it contains no human element. The only way I think incusions could work long term would be if they moved them all to lowsec, the very fact that they exist in high sec makes no real sense anyway.

Read this slowly and carefully. There is no amount of isk that will bring the risk adverse players of hi-sec to low or null. They want to play as risk free a game as possible and this will never change.

Untrue.. a massive number of incursion runners are alts of people who live in low and null.. if the risk was large enough, they would go..

It was not totally uncommon to see incursion runners in lowsec running the sites.. they even had escape plans and posses setup to deal with the pirates.. but since the nerf, isk return went down, they don't run them anymore.

Edit: I know this first hand having killed and chased many an incursion fleet w/ my -10.. Since the nerf, we simply don't see them anymore.

Edit2: 'hisec is not safe'.. they are at risk from suicide gankers, war targets infiltrating their fleets, spies winding up in fleet command positions kicking or breaking bonuses, people pre-spawning sites and just the sites in general if they are running HQ's.. There is risk to incursions, appropriate to risks expected in highsec.. What you're really saying here is you want them in lowsec/nullsec so you can score easy kills with your uber PVP blob and sorry, that's not gonna happen. There should be decent money to be made in hisec imo.. It takes a lot of coordination and effort to roll the big HQ fleets.. in fact i firmly believe their isk output should be increased vs vanguards and assaults further than it is.

I never said anything about getting them into low/null for kills. All I am saying is that the people that fly around in empire in there 5 bill plus incursion ships will never move into low/null no matter how large the reward is.

They won't take their 5 bil incrusion ship to low/null.. That doesn't mean they won't take something cheaper to low/null to run a site with .. Half the reason people run those crazy fits is ton win contested sites.. Cheaper fits are ok in lowsec incursions are you are not generally being contested for them.

People run those crazy fits because its about isk/hr. And if there was as big a risk as you make it sound in empire incursions these fleets would be rare. Why would someone who can make 100 mill an hour go to low and make less an hour then they would in empire, they wouldn't.

Never said there was a 'big' risk.. It's hisec, there shouldn't be a 'big' risk just a measurable one.. Arguing that it's broken just because people want to stay in hisec because it's more profitable makes no sense.

At what point did CCP ever say the objective of hisec was to be devoid of money making opportunity and population? Incursions were created *specifically* to give hisec players an option to fleet up and run large gang pve operations, cuz that's what they were asking for.

It's a sandbox, if people want to play in the shallow end, then they are allowed.

I can make a **** ton more than 100mil isk/hour running plexes or level 5's in lowsec, or running anom's in null sov space so i fail to see exactlty what is 'broken' here. after incursions the best option was level 4's which yelds what.. 20-30 million an hour if you blitz like hell? that's crap money. Hiseccers should not be 'punished' just because they don't want to play the average pvpers view of what EVE should be all about.

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Not everybody wants to play eve to PVP.. It's as simple as that and people need to accept it. If there are not 'relatively' safe ways to make money, fleet up and enjoy the game in highsec a sizable number of subscribers will leave, and this game will die.

Besides, there are plenty of options to grief incursion runners into the ground.. I know suicide ganking logi ships was popular for a while, and can ruin a fleets day.

Incursions in lowsec will just get perma-camped by pirates. Hi sec players are not there to provide an unending stream of kills to lowsec players (though the tend to do this enough as is without CCP making it a requisite mechanic)

EDIT: if the lowsec / nullsec incursions are going unused, the solution is very simple. Make them more financially rewarding to the point that the risk incurred is worth it.

I never argued it was broken I just stated that by increasing the payouts from the ones in low or null will not cause a move of the Incursion runners of hi-sec to low or null.

As things are at currently 100 mill an hour is fair to make in hi-sec. Maybe it needs to be toned down slightly 75~90 mill an hour should be a fair match to the risk. Null sec players can make more then that when/if they have a break from the wars and a quiet system to rat in. Empire runners never have to take a break as they don't have CTA's or Reds camping there systems.

I am not for making Incursions only low or null as this would drive people out of the game as that is not most empire players play style.

I do not agree with your point about hi sec not being safe for incursion runners. A measurable risk is 1 out of 20 times my ship dies. not once in a blue moon something might happen. Please post the last time an blingy Incursion ship has been lost. You have a greater chance of losing a ship in a lvl 4 then an incursion.

The problem with ISK is this game is very old and has a ton of isk that has been stocked up over the years. There have never been enough sinks to maintain a balance. Incursion have not helped it but have not hurt it as much as people claim it has.

For those not aware of sarcasm:

- Not a single lowsec nor nullsec incursion has been completed/finished/won ever since the incursion nerf back in late spring 2012.

GF ccp

Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.

P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets.

Thanks for the info, I'll need to look in to joining a corp that will allow someone like me (T2 Armor Tank and Amarr BS with meta4 guns)

Right now incursions activity is like Schrodinger's cat - you can't tell if it's dead or alive.

P.S. And no - to join fleets person doesn't have to have shiny 2+ billions worth faction ship with T2 guns. While it may be critical for smaller fleets pilot can fly Maelstrom with meta4 guns and t2 tank to join 40 person TVP headquarter fleets.

You should tell the OP that once the new bounty system kicks, in, there will be many griefers in the Incursion channels examining each fit posted to select players to but bounties on for maximum payout / grief tears.

There will be squads of suicide griefers aka bounty hunters stalking every gate in and out of Incursion systems, just waiting for the high bounty/ high priced ships to come through.

Incursions are an isk faucet at this point. Are they risk free? No, but the risk is wholly predictable and thus avoidable as it contains no human element. The only way I think incusions could work long term would be if they moved them all to lowsec, the very fact that they exist in high sec makes no real sense anyway.

- run with a reputable group, join channels 'BTL Pub' 'The ditanian fleet' 'The valhalla project' or 'BTL armor', follow their rules and fitting suggestions (ask for their fitting sites most groups have one)