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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra There is no best. Each corp has its strengths and weakneses. Some are good at blob fights, others are better at skirmishes. Ask 100 ppl and you will get 100 different answers.
Many people would like to join VOTF or ATUK etc because they have a long reputation. But you are just a cog in the machine. They are not true PVP corps in the sense they have a lot of NPC/agent runners who pvp part time. Very few corps are pure pvp, IE they don't do anything else. Most people I've spoken to havea much better time in the smaller pvp corps. They get to know everyone really well and everyone is really spot on with fighting. Just because some corp has 200 members doesnt make them good. If you want to say for sure who the best is, you will have to join them all so you can make up your own mind, because nobody else can tell you who the best is.
wtf happend to the real Shin Ra ?
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PAPA
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:55:00 -
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gate camping is dull so people read and post
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Dabone
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff Concord are the best PVP corp, their kill/death ratio is amazing !!!!
No killboards yet, but thats only a matter of time
Lol! ain't that the truth. 
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Tyrozet
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq eve-kills.com There you can see which corp destroys most ships. Not every corp post their kills there but you get a pretty good view of good pvp corps.
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This does not show who the best is. It is a kill board u donkey. Give you a senario, lets say a one man bad corp ie a solo player had more kills how could he ever keep up with a 200 man corp??
In short it is impossible to say who the best corp is. Although I would say, of xourse you say, that corp 1 must be up there. Probably because we are consisitent.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrozet
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq eve-kills.com There you can see which corp destroys most ships. Not every corp post their kills there but you get a pretty good view of good pvp corps.
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This does not show who the best is. It is a kill board u donkey. Give you a senario, lets say a one man bad corp ie a solo player had more kills how could he ever keep up with a 200 man corp??
In short it is impossible to say who the best corp is. Although I would say, of xourse you say, that corp 1 must be up there. Probably because we are consisitent.
his name will show up on the top 15 players kill-point wise then.
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:58:00 -
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Black Nova Corp Dirty Deeds Corp Celtic Industries Celestial Horizon Corp. Forsaken Empire Evolution
All four of us in the MC: Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Body Count Incorporated The Corporation North Star Networks
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.03.25 11:31:00 -
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Thanks to all those who mentioned Black Omega Security. Nice to be respected.
As for who I think is the best?
All the old school Curse Alliance Corps For teh Win!!!

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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.25 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 25/03/2005 12:05:55
Originally by: Lifewire Forget eve-kills.com - most good pvp-corps use their own boards and also eve-kills.com does not check the corpsize.
i disagree. theres quite a few good pvp corps that use www.eve-kills.com.
theres a single player ranking aswell on that site...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.25 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Lifewire Forget eve-kills.com - most good pvp-corps use their own boards and also eve-kills.com does not check the corpsize.
i disagree. theres quite a few good pvp corps that use www.eve-kills.com.
theres a single player ranking aswell on that site...
From what I've been told, the killboard.net system is being worked over as well. Soon there will be one centralized killboard that ties all of the various individial client boards together. -
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:18:00 -
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Quote: i disagree. theres quite a few good pvp corps that use www.eve-kills.com.
theres a single player ranking aswell on that site...
Rank 1 on eve-kills.com is Supremacy 4105 kills with 193 members. This are lousy 21 kills/pilot.
Rank 3 in www.eve-kills.com is Forsaken Empire that has a ratio of 35 kills/pilot. So they should be rank 1.
Compare this for example to m0o: their board shows 3470 kills with 51 members. 68 kills/pilot.
This is why you can forget eve-kills.com.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:33:00 -
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meh another problem with BoBs killboard at least, on foe kills it shows killings of a corp called devils brigade.
they arent a member of foe. so take them off that list.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 25/03/2005 13:56:05
 So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.03.25 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/03/2005 14:26:19 I have to say I have flown with several corps now and Hands down S.A.S is gotta be one of the top Gurilla corps in the game.
if you look at individual stats on eve.kills they have more individuals in the top 15 kills than any other corp in the game.
If you look at corp size/kills they are the top killers in the game. at an average of 100 kills a pilot. and those just since refomation 6 weeks ago. if you add the previous The Risning Storm into S.A.S and they are by far the leading killers in the game.
I am very glad to have been able to fly with these guys as They have kept the game interesting for me and it is always fun, this corp does nothing but pvp so its whenever you log on you join the guys wherever they are and start shooting people.
I have not experienced that in any other corp I have been in and I find it very invigoration the amount of teamwork in this corp is really impressive.
Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.25 14:35:00 -
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lol estios..sorry but i had to say. cant have that kind of mistake on a killboard.
zan: add the kills s.a.s have got sicne the game began, and they probably are the top killers 
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.25 15:02:00 -
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Quote: if you look at individual stats on eve.kills they have more individuals in the top 15 kills than any other corp in the game
S.A.S is another good example why the eve-kill.com board is useless: S.A.S has 1320 kills and 17 members - 78 kills/pilot. That is an awesome ratio for a mercenairy corp. A loot-orientated pirate-corp would still run out of ISK with this low kill-ratio, though.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.25 15:34:00 -
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depends who they fight, they got over 4bils worth off xetic in a couple of weeks...
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2005.03.25 15:37:00 -
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To the newb poster:
U wanna learn to fight and join a good group? I'd suggest Sharks with Frik'n Laser Beams 4tnebw. Despite the fact that there are much more bloody, experienced, "uber" pvp corps out there, i truely think this would be the best place to be as a newb pvp'r. Why? Well, a few reasons: 1. They are competant. (high praise from me) 2. They do contract work. 3. Apparently they are fun to chill with on ts.
You see, the good thing about this merc corp is that if you ever decide you want to leave and/or do something different, at least you CAN. Having "FRICK" on your employment history won't close any doors for you, whereas having SNRA, VOTF, ATUK, MOO ect will close MANY doors for you later. The entire server knows and respects the "contract work" of Sharks and when the war is over, the combatants generally go their own ways and might even shake hands and say GG. This is NOT the case with the other corps i mentioned whereas when the war is over, the bitterness lasts, seeths and grows until a new war is started. Whatever u do in Eve, make sure u do it for your own enjoyment and not to clean up or avenge someone elses mess. (unless you enjoy doing that). Either way - it's sound advice.
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Top 5 List:(IMFUO)
1. VIRII (above the rest for sheer determination) 2. RUS (you can kill a russian, but can't stop him from coming back, again and again and again and again...) 3. VOTF (where all x-CA p1zssed off former CEO's retire) 4. ALTZ (Mchalin is the most underrated commander in eve) 5. BNC (Drinking and driving is bad mmmmK?)
Props of coarse to bob, sh|tra, SE and SPRM - they can fight. Too many griefers to be worth much praise though.
C.H.
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2005.03.25 16:05:00 -
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I have to say that from what I saw, cabadrin's post was top notch and right on. Though not many have mentioned the Mercenary Coalition forces yet, I do believe that they are among the top pvp'ers in the game. Take it from someone who was on the recieving end not so long ago:) as for other corps, I have to mention Evol, although from what im told by my friends there they arent in the thick right now. Also must mention F-E because they get high rank on evekills (its GOTTA mean something!) and CELTIC Industries, because Im a celt and have to mention my corp as being IMO among the 10 best in game:-d Bias ftw! BAWWWK!
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.03.25 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hamatitio on 25/03/2005 16:17:09 DIE (before we became the **** we are now.) Thou shalt fear us after we are over with WOW tho...unless we use Will of The Forsaken. **** too much wow...ahh the patch is installed. --
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.03.25 17:21:00 -
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I don't think you can judge the quality of a PvP corp purely on the number of kills or even kills/pilot. There are too many other factors that influence that. The only way to judge the quality of a corp is to fly with them or against them, hence my list only includes people I have direct experience with.
I was very impressed with pre-BoB m0o and Evol, back when people still called them m0ovolution. We flew with them during a mini invasion of Curse, and they certainly lived up to their rep at the time.
TRS/S.A.S. impressed me when they fought with us against The Merchant Marines. Zincol is a machine.
The two corps that have impressed me most during our recent contracts have been F-E and CELTS. Both are highly competent and show a willingness to engage where lesser corps would safespot or log.
CLS deserve a small mention for having a few very good PvPers. They are far too bloated to ever be considered a good PvP corp in the traditional sense though.
I also rate our own MC pretty highly, although blowing your own trumpet lacks class so I won't emphasise the point . I will however say that I think FRICK has some of the best frig pilots in the game...
I think that just about sums up my viewpoint.
Re: Capt Highgrinder: Thanks for the kind words about us . I should however point out to anyone else who is reading this that FRICK are not recruiting at the moment and will not be for the forseeable future. We are a small corp with a very low pilot turnover rate (when people join, they tend to stay forever) and we simply can't fit anyone else in. Your description would have been spot on 6-8months ago though .
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 26/03/2005 03:15:58 Kills/pilot shows a lot. But yes, a lot of things have to be considered. How many enemys for example. Gangsize used while hunting, what type of ships were destroyed and how is the political situation. Since the server is bugged i made a little statistic grabbing numbers from all known official killboards and sorted the corps by kills. You will find out that corps with many enemys get automatically a better kills/pilot-ratio. You will also find out that pirate and pure mercenairy corps get brutal ammounts of kills with only few members, while corps that are involved in alliances or other political circumstands suffer much because they have a lot of non-pvpers (cannonfood). Data is of all known killboards - edit if you have actualized killnumbers.
S.A.S 1321 kills (eve-kills.com) 102 BS 134 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: mercenairy 17 pilots 77,70 kills/pilot
Reikoku: 1944 kills (killboard.net) 300 BS 185 tech II ships enemys:30000+ status: alliance 121 pilots 16,06 kills/pilot
Shinra: 2108 kills (eve-kills.com) 484 BS 175 tech II ships enemys: 20000+ status: alliance 341 pilots 6,18 kills/pilot
ASS: 2567 kills (eve-kills.com) 302 BS 145 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: pirate 56 pilots 45,83 kills/pilot
BNC: 3100 kills (killboard.net) 435 BS 236 tech II ships enemys: 30000+ status: alliance 147 pilots 21,08 kills/pilot
VOTF: 3332 kills (eve-kills.com) 520 BS 342 tech II ships enemys:35000+ status: alliance 163 members 20,44 kills/pilot
Forsaken Empire: 3691 kills (eve-kills.com) 481 BS 275 tech II ships enemys:40000+ status: alliance/pirate 98 pilots 37,66 kills/pilot
Evolution: 3939 kills (killboard.net) 707 BS 340 tech II ships enemys: 40000+ status: alliance 241 pilots 16,34 kills/pilot
Supremacy: 4122 kills (eve-kills.com) 532 BS 390 tech II ships enemys: 10000+ status: mercenairy/alliance 193 pilots 21,35 kills/pilot
ATUK: 5392 kills (killboard.net) 932 BS 400 tech II ships enemys: 40000+ status: alliance 300 pilots 17,97 kills/pilot
TDGs and friends: 5607 kills (tundragon.com) 520 BS 386 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: pirate 43 pilots 130,39 kills/pilot
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:13:00 -
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Lifewire: kills per person per day would make more sense, since most of those corps listed started their killboards at totally different times
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:16:00 -
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It also makes a difference if u kill noobs or good pvpers...
[G] - Pink Power
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 26/03/2005 03:31:11 I knew you all wouldnt like my statistic 
Quote: Lifewire: kills per person per day would make more sense, since most of those corps listed started their killboards at totally different times
Sure - our board is a really old one - started 2004-07-06.
Quote: It also makes a difference if u kill noobs or good pvpers...
No, its the same explosion flash - verified and tested 
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:20:00 -
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Everybody has his own points of view.
Killing noobs is nothing spectacular in my eyes, its to predictable 
[G] - Pink Power
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:22:00 -
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Where do i find the G-killboard? I heard you did a lot of destruction to BOB - can we see this?
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:31:00 -
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Its very much an opinion to whos best and what makes them best. Imo i dont feel number of kills is what makes a good pvp'er.
Who is the best pvp'er the guy who sits at 200km with friends boosting and sniping with his 5 wcs.
Or a blasterthron who warps in solo vs 3 bs kills 1 and warps out? the sniper has 200 kills and 1 loss. the blasterthron has 190 kills and 7 loses.
The sniper is a more effective pvp'er imo and the blasterthron is the more skilled pvp'er.... which is best being effective or being skilled?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.26 03:43:00 -
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Quote: Or a blasterthron who warps in solo vs 3 bs kills 1 and warps out? the sniper has 200 kills and 1 loss. the blasterthron has 190 kills and 7 loses.
The sniper is a more effective pvp'er imo and the blasterthron is the more skilled pvp'er.... which is best being effective or being skilled?
Both options are interesting - 2 days ago i mwded into 30 VOTF with my Smartbomb-Domi and was podded. But there was a good chance to make 10-20 kills in 16 seconds. Sniping is also an option, but its often boring because it is too safe. Close combat is usually more fun.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 26/03/2005 15:13:32 Gotta agree with Woodlouse.
I could remove all standings with RKK and give use free reign to go kill everything going.
That won't make us any better good pvp'ers.
The best are the ones who can fight outnumbered or equal numbers against pvp'ers and come out on top.
I honestly couldn't say who was the best in the game at the minute because everything is pretty screwed up and I think most pvp corps are trying to find their feet at the minute. The ATUK core pvp'ers (i.e. the top 50 pvp'ers) are prolly as close to being the best that I've seen recently. CE could be the best pvp corp in the game but they hate losing BS and so hold back too often from their full potential.
However, number of ships killed does not make a corp great neither does blowing smoke up your own corps ass to make you look good.
EDIT: where did u make up those numbers for RKK from? These are our proper numbers: Reikoku's proper numbers
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Revolution
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Posted - 2005.03.26 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire Edited by: Lifewire on 26/03/2005 03:15:58 Kills/pilot shows a lot. But yes, a lot of things have to be considered. How many enemys for example. Gangsize used while hunting, what type of ships were destroyed and how is the political situation. Since the server is bugged i made a little statistic grabbing numbers from all known official killboards and sorted the corps by kills. You will find out that corps with many enemys get automatically a better kills/pilot-ratio. You will also find out that pirate and pure mercenairy corps get brutal ammounts of kills with only few members, while corps that are involved in alliances or other political circumstands suffer much because they have a lot of non-pvpers (cannonfood). Data is of all known killboards - edit if you have actualized killnumbers.
S.A.S 1321 kills (eve-kills.com) 102 BS 134 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: mercenairy 17 pilots 77,70 kills/pilot
Reikoku: 1944 kills (killboard.net) 300 BS 185 tech II ships enemys:30000+ status: alliance 121 pilots 16,06 kills/pilot
Shinra: 2108 kills (eve-kills.com) 484 BS 175 tech II ships enemys: 20000+ status: alliance 341 pilots 6,18 kills/pilot
ASS: 2567 kills (eve-kills.com) 302 BS 145 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: pirate 56 pilots 45,83 kills/pilot
BNC: 3100 kills (killboard.net) 435 BS 236 tech II ships enemys: 30000+ status: alliance 147 pilots 21,08 kills/pilot
VOTF: 3332 kills (eve-kills.com) 520 BS 342 tech II ships enemys:35000+ status: alliance 163 members 20,44 kills/pilot
Forsaken Empire: 3691 kills (eve-kills.com) 481 BS 275 tech II ships enemys:40000+ status: alliance/pirate 98 pilots 37,66 kills/pilot
Evolution: 3939 kills (killboard.net) 707 BS 340 tech II ships enemys: 40000+ status: alliance 241 pilots 16,34 kills/pilot
Supremacy: 4122 kills (eve-kills.com) 532 BS 390 tech II ships enemys: 10000+ status: mercenairy/alliance 193 pilots 21,35 kills/pilot
ATUK: 5392 kills (killboard.net) 932 BS 400 tech II ships enemys: 40000+ status: alliance 300 pilots 17,97 kills/pilot
TDGs and friends: 5607 kills (tundragon.com) 520 BS 386 tech II ships enemys: 50000+ status: pirate 43 pilots 130,39 kills/pilot
not sure whether im reading this wrong, but you have evol showing 707 BS kills when according to our board the number is 1128 oO *shrug*
http://www.killboard.net/?p=corp&c=Evolution&sp=stats
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