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Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 07:27:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, I'm a solominer and missionrunner. Im mining in a system which is about 10 jumps from Amarr. Now my question is if i should rather get a Orca for better mining and missionrunning, or a Providence, to transport my tons of ore to Amarr.
Mangold Born-2-Kill 0utNumbered 24	Posted - 2012.10.17 08:14:00 - [2] - Quote Yes. Definitely.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 08:26:00 - [3] - Quote Erm, definitely what?
Lee Mcgee Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 09:00:00 - [4] - Quote If your looking at bonuses, hauling out of belt to station the Orca is the only one that can do that. If you just want to shift 'stuff' from A to B however I would recommend a Freighter. I was in the same situation, I setup a POS etc, Mining, building and thought I could move everything with my Orca, before I knew it I had to do like 4-5 trips back and to just to shift everything. Minerals have a low volume but trust me, the amount of m3 they take up soon rockets. With the Orca you cant use the Ore hold with minerals. Hope this is helpful. Lee McGee.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 09:31:00 - [5] - Quote So I think I'll grab a Orca. Thank you for your help. :]
Jil Tarsadan Skumbamserne 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 10:22:00 - [6] - Quote imho you should go with the freighter. do you have more than one account ?` If you do not have more than one account the orca will not help you at all. I do have both orca and several freighters. most of the time I use the freighter to move my mins that i dont use plus i can move all the other junk from missions in it. the orca is very low on space compared to the freighter. only really good thing where the orca is better is the "hidden/unscannable" corp hangar for very high value stuff. other than that its a freighter.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 11:04:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, I'm multiboxing 2 Accounts. So the Orca will be the better solution i think.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 198	Posted - 2012.10.17 13:38:00 - [8] - Quote ORCA is certainly the better option for boosting, as it can also make a great hauler. But trust me, if you are a serious miner, and hauling all your minerals 10 jumps to market you will very soon want a freighter. A max cargo ORCA with full cargo rigs and 2 T2 expanders will only have about 70k ehp and will have about 89k m3 cargo hold plus 50k m3 in the corp hanger, totaling 139k m3 of space for minerals. You can not put minerals in the 50k m3 ore hold. A freighter with freighter skill at 5 can hold over 900k m3, well over 800k m3 with freighter skill at 1. Go for the ORCA for sure, but plan of getting your alt into a freighter soon as well. They are expensive but will pay off quickly travelling 10 jumps to market.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 13:54:00 - [9] - Quote Dave Viker wrote: Hi, I'm a solominer and missionrunner. Im mining in a system which is about 10 jumps from Amarr. Now my question is if i should rather get a Orca for better mining and missionrunning, or a Providence, to transport my tons of ore to Amarr. edit: missed your post stating you had 2 accounts. NVM. You are better off training the 2nd toon for the Orca. Get a freighter when you have the money. Use the Orca in the meantime for major hauling in it's Cargohold and Corp Hold. I have a Freighter but it only gets used to haul 925,000 m3 of ores all of 3 jumps to be refined. Then I use the Orca to deliver minerals to Market. Also, they are devising ever more clever ways to pop Freighters at the major trade hubs. Do at your own risk.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 14:07:00 - [10] - Quote Pop... A freighter? I thought those would be tanky as hell?
Iosue Black Sky Hipsters 95	Posted - 2012.10.17 14:20:00 - [11] - Quote hopefully you're transporting minerals, not ore. if you're transporting ore, find a close station to refine at, then transport the minerals. i'd personally suggest the orca, they can be used in numerous ways; boosting, transporting, mini station, work well with PI, etc. a freighter is nice for transport, but its prolly overkill for two accounts, especially if you're refining. you can also invest in certain bpo's to compress minerals with, of course you'll need some manufacturers, but this can vastly improve your transport amounts, especially if you have a perfect build on one end and and a perfect refine on the other. and yes, freighters are tanky, but they are also ganky, not to mention you don't get any mods on them so its just the base model and nothing more. the old rule of thumb was a max cargo haul of $1B or less. not sure if that's still the case but there is a price which will make gankers take notice. and unfortunately a freighter gives them plenty of time to prepare. best of luck.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 14:24:00 - [12] - Quote So I'll just stack Resistance and Trimarks. jk. Alright, Thank you guys for your nice help. I'll get both orca and prov, i think i can afford them.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 200	Posted - 2012.10.17 14:40:00 - [13] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Dave Viker wrote: Hi, I'm a solominer and missionrunner. Im mining in a system which is about 10 jumps from Amarr. Now my question is if i should rather get a Orca for better mining and missionrunning, or a Providence, to transport my tons of ore to Amarr. edit: missed your post stating you had 2 accounts. NVM. You are better off training the 2nd toon for the Orca. Get a freighter when you have the money. Use the Orca in the meantime for major hauling in it's Cargohold and Corp Hold. I have a Freighter but it only gets used to haul 925,000 m3 of ores all of 3 jumps to be refined. Then I use the Orca to deliver minerals to Market. Also, they are devising ever more clever ways to pop Freighters at the major trade hubs. Do at your own risk. Freighters do get ganked. But not freighters full of minerals. Although it is not hard to get over 1 bil worth of minerals in a freighter, due to the high volume, they are not juicy targets for gankers. Dispite many opinions to the contrary, freighter ganking is generally done for profit. The main targets are freighter loads of ships and modules where the drop is guaranteed to be worth more than the ships lost ganking it. There are so many of these there is no need to ever gank a freighter full of minerals. A freighter is only a gank target if the pilot is stupid enough to make themselves a target. I have been flying freighters for 3 years in and out of Jita and have yet to lose one.
Celgar Thurn Department 10 60	Posted - 2012.10.17 14:55:00 - [14] - Quote Jil Tarsadan wrote: imho you should go with the freighter. do you have more than one account ?` If you do not have more than one account the orca will not help you at all. I do have both orca and several freighters. most of the time I use the freighter to move my mins that i dont use plus i can move all the other junk from missions in it. the orca is very low on space compared to the freighter. only really good thing where the orca is better is the "hidden/unscannable" corp hangar for very high value stuff. other than that its a freighter. The corp hanger in the Orca hasn't been 'unscannable' for ages.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 15:20:00 - [15] - Quote Dave Viker wrote: Pop... A freighter? I thought those would be tanky as hell? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14860670 Not that tanky. And they are super-slow and take awhile to Warp, especially after station Exit. Plenty of time to get popped by a large enough gang in High Sec willing to sacrifice ships to the Gods of CONCORD.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 15:22:00 - [16] - Quote Celgar Thurn wrote: Jil Tarsadan wrote: imho you should go with the freighter. do you have more than one account ?` If you do not have more than one account the orca will not help you at all. I do have both orca and several freighters. most of the time I use the freighter to move my mins that i dont use plus i can move all the other junk from missions in it. the orca is very low on space compared to the freighter. only really good thing where the orca is better is the "hidden/unscannable" corp hangar for very high value stuff. other than that its a freighter. The corp hanger in the Orca hasn't been 'unscannable' for ages. WWRROONNGG !!!!! ding ding ding** The only entity that can scan the Orca Corp Hangar is custom's Agents looking for Contraband.
Denal Umbra Coffee Hub 19	Posted - 2012.10.17 15:25:00 - [17] - Quote In the meantime, consider using some hauling service like Red Frog Freight. They can deliver the goods to a hub and you will only be taking a 1-5% loss in profit by using their services. Do the math tho to see if it is or is not profitable for you. As for freighter vs orca. A freighter is better for a miner since you can move all of the minerals or the ores. If you mine for a few days you will already be past 150k in minerals which is more or less the max an orca can hold. A freighter however, can keep a week or more worth of ores/minerals in the bay and ontop of that, if your system starts getting 'mined out' then you can move over a few systems, mine there and haul the ores to your refining station. Gives you a lot more freedom to do what you want. You should only start to consider the orca when you want to get into manufacturing and start to move high value, low volume goods, in bulk to markets. A freighter will get popped if you have more than 2-3b of goods in there, an orca... you can't get them to drop from the corp hangar.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote Denal Umbra wrote: In the meantime, consider using some hauling service like Red Frog Freight. They can deliver the goods to a hub and you will only be taking a 1-5% loss in profit by using their services. Do the math tho to see if it is or is not profitable for you. As for freighter vs orca. A freighter is better for a miner since you can move all of the minerals or the ores. If you mine for a few days you will already be past 150k in minerals which is more or less the max an orca can hold. A freighter however, can keep a week or more worth of ores/minerals in the bay and ontop of that, if your system starts getting 'mined out' then you can move over a few systems, mine there and haul the ores to your refining station. Gives you a lot more freedom to do what you want. You should only start to consider the orca when you want to get into manufacturing and start to move high value, low volume goods, in bulk to markets. A freighter will get popped if you have more than 2-3b of goods in there, an orca... you can't get them to drop from the corp hangar. Great advice, but you are not mentioning the tremendous yield increase advantage the Orca Fleet Boost provides. This is important when functioning as a "2-Account Solo Mining OP". My Orca was just fine for 2 years until I simply needed a freighter to take my Ore from my "NPC Station-less System POS" 3 jumps to be refined. I then 'safely' haul the minerals in Orca to Market. (A Freighter full of Pyrox, refined to minerals, hardly uses any room in the Orca).
Katrez Hydra Enterprises 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 16:23:00 - [19] - Quote Dave Vike wrote: I'll get both orca and prov, i think i can afford them. Wise choice, both are pretty much as equally useful in their own way. I'd certainly spend more focus training the Orcas boost capabilities before maxing out your freighters cargo hold. Yes freighters can be blown up in high sec, but then what can't? I've been moving minerals around Amarr high sec in a freighter for years without any issues...I would never set it on auto pilot even in high sec though.
Alyssa SaintCroix Leihkasse Stammheim 34	Posted - 2012.10.17 17:10:00 - [20] - Quote Dave Viker wrote: Pop... A freighter? I thought those would be tanky as hell? It takes more logistical efforts than it does ships. Goons have popped some 250 or so freighters in the last few months. Up against a small gang of Talos' a freighter is paper thin and very dead in a 0.5 system like Uedama. http://themittani.com/features/ministry-love-200-freighters-and-counting
Idris Helion University of Caille Gallente Federation 181	Posted - 2012.10.17 17:40:00 - [21] - Quote If you're serious about mining, you really need both an Orca and a freighter. Trit is profitable, but only in bulk, and to ship enough bulk minerals to market, you need a freighter. For ore and minerals, the freighter is great, but for most other freight (especially high-value stuff) use an Orca. The coprorate hangars are unscannable and drop no loot even if you do get ganked; and the Orca can be tanked far better than a freighter can be. Further, the Orca can carry 400,000m3 of assembled ships -- which means it's great for exploration or far-afield mining ops (like in WH space). The ore bay on the Orca is kind of useless now that the mining barge buffs have gone into effect, though. I wish CCP would re-dedicate that space to either general cargo or to additional ship bay capacity.
Denal Umbra Coffee Hub 19	Posted - 2012.10.17 17:51:00 - [22] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Great advice, but you are not mentioning the tremendous yield increase advantage the Orca Fleet Boost provides. This is important when functioning as a "2-Account Solo Mining OP". My Orca was just fine for 2 years until I simply needed a freighter to take my Ore from my "NPC Station-less System POS" 3 jumps to be refined. I then 'safely' haul the minerals in Orca to Market. (A Freighter full of Pyrox, refined to minerals, hardly uses any room in the Orca). Mining boosts? Solo op? The only time you are gaining anything from bringing an orca to the field, instead of another barge is if you have 4+ accounts. Two macks/retrievers provide a much higher yield per hour than a mack/ret+orca will. Even then, the amount of minerals you produce with 4 toons merits a freighter to haul them away later An orca only makes sense if you are either doing a fleet mining op (4+ toons) or are transporting high-value, low volume goods. Edit: Grammar
Idris Helion University of Caille Gallente Federation 181	Posted - 2012.10.17 21:00:00 - [23] - Quote Denal Umbra wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Great advice, but you are not mentioning the tremendous yield increase advantage the Orca Fleet Boost provides. This is important when functioning as a "2-Account Solo Mining OP". My Orca was just fine for 2 years until I simply needed a freighter to take my Ore from my "NPC Station-less System POS" 3 jumps to be refined. I then 'safely' haul the minerals in Orca to Market. (A Freighter full of Pyrox, refined to minerals, hardly uses any room in the Orca). Mining boosts? Solo op? The only time you are gaining anything from bringing an orca to the field, instead of another barge is if you have 4+ accounts. Two macks/retrievers provide a much higher yield per hour than a mack/ret+orca will. Even then, the amount of minerals you produce with 4 toons merits a freighter to haul them away later An orca only makes sense if you are either doing a fleet mining op (4+ toons) or are transporting high-value, low volume goods. Edit: Grammar Actually, an Orca makes an excellent exploration and mission-support vessel in that it can carry unpackaged ships in its bay and provide fitting services while in space. It's almost like a "mobile POS" in that way. You can also do some salvaging with it if you don't have a Rorqual around (that big bonus to tractor beam helps in pulling in wrecks from 80km+ away).
Reticle Sight Picture 55	Posted - 2012.10.17 21:05:00 - [24] - Quote An orca doesn't help you much if you aren't fielding at least two hulks/macks or more (there are several threads in this subforum on that topic). It also takes more than twice the time to train than a freighter character. If you don't have a mining fleet, stick with the Providence.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 22:09:00 - [25] - Quote Denal Umbra wrote: The only time you are gaining anything from bringing an orca to the field, instead of another barge is if you USE TWO HULKS Fixed that for you, since you made absolutely no mention of them as I did in my posting. Do not argue with experience. Done.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 927	Posted - 2012.10.17 22:11:00 - [26] - Quote Idris Helion wrote: Actually, an Orca makes an excellent exploration and mission-support vessel in that it can carry unpackaged ships in its bay and provide fitting services while in space. It's almost like a "mobile POS" in that way. You can also do some salvaging with it if you don't have a Rorqual around (that big bonus to tractor beam helps in pulling in wrecks from 80km+ away). All excellent points too. Besides, the cost of a freighter is also what kept me away until year 2.
Reticle Sight Picture 56	Posted - 2012.10.18 00:23:00 - [27] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Idris Helion wrote: Actually, an Orca makes an excellent exploration and mission-support vessel in that it can carry unpackaged ships in its bay and provide fitting services while in space. It's almost like a "mobile POS" in that way. You can also do some salvaging with it if you don't have a Rorqual around (that big bonus to tractor beam helps in pulling in wrecks from 80km+ away). All excellent points too. Besides, the cost of a freighter is also what kept me away until year 2. I recently bought a charon and paid it off in under a month with some diligent mining.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 71	Posted - 2012.10.18 03:33:00 - [28] - Quote Orca.
Dave Viker Walton Cryptonics 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:04:00 - [29] - Quote So I've just bought my Orca first. I'm happy that my Orca almost holds 200m-¦ (if i remember correctly). The only bad thing is, i can't hold minerals in my orehold (as someone already said). For now, I'm refining as much as I can, putting the minerals into the corphangar and standard ship cargo, and i also safe some ore up for the orehold, so that I have max usage of all my cargos.
Denal Umbra Coffee Hub 21	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:27:00 - [30] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Denal Umbra wrote: The only time you are gaining anything from bringing an orca to the field, instead of another barge is if you USE TWO HULKS Fixed that for you, since you made absolutely no mention of them as I did in my posting. Do not argue with experience. Done. That is assuming he uses two maxed skilled hulks and a max skilled orca (with mindlink) for boosting which is not the case. Even so, it would still need 3 accounts and about half a year of training on each of them to reach the levels where you can just use 3 accounts and gain a 'slight' boost with using an orca. Max skilled hulk (with michi+5% imp) bring in about 100k /m3 per hour Max skilled hulk + max skilled orca boost brings that to 158k / m3 per hour. However, assuming that the orca does not have a mindlink yet nor ore command ships 5, then that brings a boosted max skilled hulk to 137k / m3 per hour. Assuming that you do not have Exhumer 5 yet nor are using Michis or a +5 (just a +3) then it brings down the "boosted" hulks yield to roughly ~125k / m3 per hour. You will be breaking even compared to the orca boosts only if you have 4 accounts in 'decent' skilled hulks by fielding an orca instead of the 2 you claim from experience. Especially if the toon has just finished training to fly an orca. However, if you have 100% dedicated mining accounts that are max skilled with expensive implants then yes, 2 hulks+orca is better than 3 macks. Otherwise, you are better off bringing another ret/mack instead of a orca. Unless... you are lazy and don't want to move the ore to station so much and just want it as a 'mobile base' and will only take the 25-35% boost from an orca.

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