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Dar Manic Republic University Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2012.11.07 13:42:00 - [301] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: You don't pvp. Sometimes, you spare enough from your wallet to fit a frigate and see what all the fuss is about, but you don't pvp. You run missions and farm plexes in your stabbed Incursus, but you don't pvp. Your whole reason for existence in this game is to see that number in the wallet window grow larger and larger. You're not fooling anyone. you said it like it is bad to "don't pvp" He absolutely PVP's. Remember, everything in EVE is PVP!!!! EVE is a PVP game so he has to PVP. He has no choice. Though shalt leave EVE if you don't PVP!!! ;) I just don't understand null sec players. Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you.
Dar Manic Republic University Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2012.11.07 13:44:00 - [302] - Quote F'elch wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Austneal wrote: Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: What you SHOULD be doing... Yeah... doesn't anyone play Eve correctly? Jeez Some do, some don't. Some (#1s)come in, recognize the nature of the game (which is cold, hard conflict, pvp and one of the game industry's most unforgiving death penalties), decide whether that game is for them or not, and leave or stay based on what they find. Others (#2s) come in expecting the universe (both the game universe and the actual physical "real" universe) to cater to them personally because they paid 15 bucks. They try to play a multi-player game like it's a single players game, they try to play a hardcore game "casually" and they never leave protected newbie space, thenbitch and moan about everything, tell the developers to change the game to suit them and get mad at everyone else for pointing out how dumb that is.... Seems like the #2s are multiplying like rabbits for some reason, or maybe they've always been here and I didn't notice over the sound of actually playing the game. I can't let this go. These fallacies somehow endure and I have to respond. Eve is not a (it pains me just to repeat this cliche) cold, harsh universe. There is nothing hardcore about any computer game ever. You fly pixel spaceships and they get blown up. Some people take that too seriously but that is irrelevant to the reality of the fact that you are playing a game with pretend stuff in it. You can easily play this game casually just as it is. It is possible to earn ISK, fly spaceships and find fights with very little dedication to this game. So can we please stop claiming this game is hardcore? This. I just don't understand null sec players. Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 376	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:01:00 - [303] - Quote Dar Manic wrote: F'elch wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Some do, some don't. Some (#1s)come in, recognize the nature of the game (which is cold, hard conflict, pvp and one of the game industry's most unforgiving death penalties), decide whether that game is for them or not, and leave or stay based on what they find. Others (#2s) come in expecting the universe (both the game universe and the actual physical "real" universe) to cater to them personally because they paid 15 bucks. They try to play a multi-player game like it's a single players game, they try to play a hardcore game "casually" and they never leave protected newbie space, thenbitch and moan about everything, tell the developers to change the game to suit them and get mad at everyone else for pointing out how dumb that is.... Seems like the #2s are multiplying like rabbits for some reason, or maybe they've always been here and I didn't notice over the sound of actually playing the game. I can't let this go. These fallacies somehow endure and I have to respond. Eve is not a (it pains me just to repeat this cliche) cold, harsh universe. There is nothing hardcore about any computer game ever. You fly pixel spaceships and they get blown up. Some people take that too seriously but that is irrelevant to the reality of the fact that you are playing a game with pretend stuff in it. You can easily play this game casually just as it is. It is possible to earn ISK, fly spaceships and find fights with very little dedication to this game. So can we please stop claiming this game is hardcore? This. lol, you like to join the "wrong" bandwagon I see. Most people would call EVE a hardcore game relative to the entire rest of the MMO universe. It's not "real" it's just "real hard" for the vast majority of people. So much so that Epic posters of EVE's incrdibly high learning curve is everywhere. All that is moot that, because you people miss the point (as usual) EVE is what it is, and yet many people of the Dar Manic persuasion would rather it be seen as something else entirely. The Reality of EVE is not a mystery, hell fire the people who MAKE the game tell you what it's all about all the damn time: CCP Falcon wrote: You sir, understand EVE to its black hearted, capitalist, dog eat dog core, with an awesome separation between in game and out of game actions. And yet some people will cover their ears and yell nah nah nah I can't hear you when this is explained to them. You can play a multiplayer game like it's single player, you can play a hardcore game like it's a casual game, you can play a highly social game as a loner ect ect ect. And as long as you realize that what your doing my be your preference but is NOT the purpose of the game (ie you're making yourself something of a second class citizen by making these choices) and are willing to accept the consequences (such as non-consensual pvp), that's totally fine. It's when these misfits start complaining, even advocating "change", that things get stupid. Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Lord Zim 1925	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:04:00 - [304] - Quote Obligatory reference to: http://www.restokin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Sensory_Overload.jpg Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 376	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:06:00 - [305] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Obligatory reference to: http://www.restokin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Sensory_Overload.jpg Rofl, well played sir. Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 91	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:09:00 - [306] - Quote F'elch wrote: Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh. Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money but we all know that little gravy train will soon reach its last stop. If high sec got nerfed, it would be a lot harder for me to get the green I need to fund the PVP we love and that this game is really about. Making it take longer to earn that dolla will only mean I have to grind more for less, and lose ships less often. We need taergets right? And targets require ISK to buy ships so you can blow them up. OK, I know there are those who just stay in high sec and horde their stuff and faction fit their mission tengus and what have you but no matter how much you nerf high sec the risk adverse will still remain there. No amount of stick will get them into low but maybe the right type of carrot. Anyway, I'm a casual player. No time for null and the logistics of living there so ISK grinding there is not an option. And to be honest I CBA with CTA, killboard etc so it is not for me. All I want to do is PVP and grind as little as possible to make that happen. High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them. Even as a casual player, you are much better off in NullSec isk wise and you won't have to go far for PvP. There are plenty of Null Alliances that have ship replacement programs. just my 2 cents.
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 176	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:35:00 - [307] - Quote ITT "You should play in the style that we approve of." Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens
OmniBeton OmniBeton Metatech 21	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:45:00 - [308] - Quote You see, the problem is that OP goes to low/null sec prepared. He selects proper ship, and he expects to fight. He does not goes there in mission/mining/transport ship focusing on something else other than watch his back. He is not easy target. That's why he is beeing hated by nullbears. Oh sweet, sweet nullbear tears :)
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 376	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:51:00 - [309] - Quote Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that the realities of the game approve of." Fixed that for you. Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 176	Posted - 2012.11.07 14:57:00 - [310] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that the realities of the game approve of." Fixed that for you. Oh? Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: You make money in High Sec and then go blow stuff up in Low/Null. What you SHOULD be doing is making money in Low/Null and then blowing stuff up in Low/Null. This is the ideal world: SHOULD = "the reality of the game"? I think not. Think before you post. Thanks. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens

Lord Zim 1926	Posted - 2012.11.07 15:08:00 - [311] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that the realities of the game approve of." Fixed that for you. Oh? Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: You make money in High Sec and then go blow stuff up in Low/Null. What you SHOULD be doing is making money in Low/Null and then blowing stuff up in Low/Null. This is the ideal world: SHOULD = "the reality of the game"? I think not. Think before you post. Thanks. "This is the ideal world", i.e. it would make sense if the game was designed to reward people who wants to do offensive PVP in null, to make isk in null. It would also make sense if people who don't want to directly partake in offensive PVP would have an incentive to partake indirectly by living in the same area and support those who do want to do offensive PVP. Unfortunately, CCP has decided, in their incompetence, to not make this the case, and for all intents and purposes it looks like CCP aren't going to even try to fix this imbalance the next 2-3 expansions either, which means you make money in hisec and blow up stuff in low/null. Now, if you want to claim that this is the best way the game can be designed to be played, then I'm going to just say that you're wrong. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 376	Posted - 2012.11.07 15:09:00 - [312] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that the realities of the game approve of." Fixed that for you. Oh? Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: You make money in High Sec and then go blow stuff up in Low/Null. What you SHOULD be doing is making money in Low/Null and then blowing stuff up in Low/Null. This is the ideal world: SHOULD = "the reality of the game"? I think not. Think before you post. Thanks. Erm, you do notice that you aren't quoting ME right, as I am not "Inquisitor Kitchner"..... But of course, I'm the one who should "think before posting" LOL. I make money all over EVE, when in null sec I adjust for the realities of null sec. In general I adjust for the realities of the game (I generally like to PVE, but I understand that EVE has non-consensual pvp at it's core so i don't get mad when people try to "violence my boat" lol). Yet this forum is choked FULL of people who, rather than conform their "play style" to the actual realities of the game, try to do things their own way, get slapped in the face by those realities, then come here and moan about it in an attempt to get ccp to change the game so unpleasant things don't happen to them.... EVE is about unpleasant things happening (if your good and smart, those things will happen to others). don't like that, EVE isn't for you. Clear yet? Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.
baltec1 Bat Country 2740	Posted - 2012.11.07 16:35:00 - [313] - Quote F'elch wrote: I use high sec to make ISK, yes, but I pee that ISK away faster than I can make it. And the amount I make is miniscule compared to the clever market traders etc. How do you nerf them? Less ships exploding. The mining barge buff was the single worst thing to happen to the barge market ever.
Warp Planet6 Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.11.07 17:06:00 - [314] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Yet this forum is choked FULL of people who, rather than conform their "play style" to the actual realities of the game, try to do things their own way, get slapped in the face by those realities, then come here and moan about it in an attempt to get ccp to change the game so unpleasant things don't happen to them.... I can confirm this whilst not being long in this forum. There is a serious bitterness amongst so called carebears and this thread proves that. Yeah, this thread is not the intended strike back to "nullbears", it is plain rediculous due to the fact that nullbears do not need strike backs in forums, only ingame (which most here do not want to realize).
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 176	Posted - 2012.11.07 19:01:00 - [315] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Butthurt. It'll be okay, just think before you post. :) Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 379	Posted - 2012.11.07 19:08:00 - [316] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Is Hurting Xuixien's Butt. It'll be okay, just think before you post. :) Fixed for you again Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.
Wodensun ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty 6	Posted - 2012.11.07 19:08:00 - [317] - Quote Just leaving this here.... Pilot details - F'elch Corporation:Wall Street Trading Alliance: Kills:0 Losses:1 Damage done (ISK):0B Damage received (ISK):0B Chance of enemy survival:100% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):0% /thread
Dar Manic Republic University Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:20:00 - [318] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that we approve of." Fixed that for you. Fixed for you!! I just don't understand null sec players. Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you.
Dar Manic Republic University Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:20:00 - [319] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Is Hurting Xuixien's Butt. It'll be okay, just think before you post. :) Fixed for you again He be mad bro... mad bro is mad!! I just don't understand null sec players. Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 381	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:45:00 - [320] - Quote Dar Manic wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Xuixien wrote: ITT "You should play in the style that we approve of." Fixed that for you. Fixed for you!! lol But all joking aside, why do people like you cling to something that you have to know is untrue? Even gankers don't really "care about how you play or where you live", they just do what they do because you folks respond with predictable tears. Does it somehow make you chaps/blokes/whatever people are calling other dues these days feel better to think of your opposistiion as evil thugs or something? I'm asking honestly, because I don't get it, I don't get how people could be so sackless as to find themsvle being bullied IN a VIDEO GAME (where everyone gets Guns, the NRA would LOVE EVE lol) In a sand box, some people (because they are going to play as they pleas,e like everyone can) are going to play just for the "joy" of bending another person to their will. I understood that when I started playing eve and learned to protect myself from such influence by learning the game mechanics AND teaming up with some hard core medieval mofos with guns, so I haven't been griefed since the "unfortunate Dodixie can flipping incident of '07" (hey, I was new damn it). In other words, why or some of you so pitiful? Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.

Anslo BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance 519	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:49:00 - [321] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: In other words, why or some of you so pitiful? Honestly the same could be said about you...why does it bother you so much that people voice different opinions than you on this matter? Why is it so bad that people play differently than you and have fun doing it? -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Lord Zim 1928	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:51:00 - [322] - Quote This, coming from the "OH HOLY ** YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A NEGATIVE CHANGE TO HISEC EVERYONE'LL QUIT OVER IT AND THE GAME WILL DIE!!!**" crowd. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 382	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:56:00 - [323] - Quote Anslo wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: In other words, why or some of you so pitiful? Honestly the same could be said about you...why does it bother you so much that people voice different opinions than you on this matter? Stupidity unchallenged is stupidity accepted. I don't accept stupidity. Thankfully EVE General Discussion exists, so I can not accept stupidity in almost every thread lol, because there is a lot of stupid stuff said for me to not accept... Quote: Why is it so bad that people play differently than you and have fun doing it? Why are you so dense? Why can people like you not understand simple English? Do you care that I am right now shooting Blood Raiders? No? Well, neither do I are almost anyone else care about what your doing. But if you log into the game and I or someone else in the same sandbox feel like screwing with you, well, yo consented to that when you 1. downloaded and installed EVE 2. logged in to EVE and 3. undocked. Don't like it, fight back or leave. I don't choose to screw with people in high sec, or scam or gank freighters (not because of E-honor, but because I don't like doing that stuff), i'm simply saying that some people choose to, and if people playing rough in video game ABOUT PLAYING ROUGH (I can like you any number of DEVs telling you what EVE is), then you and only you are the problem here. But then, it's easier to blame others for your problems, right? Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 382	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:57:00 - [324] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: This, coming from the "OH HOLY ** YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A NEGATIVE CHANGE TO HISEC EVERYONE'LL QUIT OVER IT AND THE GAME WILL DIE!!!*" crowd. Yea, some people's morality is limited to "what's best for me". The thing that I find irritating about them is that they always think it's someone else who has the problem. Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2falloff Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers.
Bigpimping Pimp Inc. 97	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:57:00 - [325] - Quote By the op's name still existing we can tell you don't urban dictionary enough CCP
Solstice Project Carebear Cadaver Productions 2034	Posted - 2012.11.07 21:27:00 - [326] - Quote F'elch wrote: Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh. Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money but we all know that little gravy train will soon reach its last stop. If high sec got nerfed, it would be a lot harder for me to get the green I need to fund the PVP we love and that this game is really about. Making it take longer to earn that dolla will only mean I have to grind more for less, and lose ships less often. We need taergets right? And targets require ISK to buy ships so you can blow them up. OK, I know there are those who just stay in high sec and horde their stuff and faction fit their mission tengus and what have you but no matter how much you nerf high sec the risk adverse will still remain there. No amount of stick will get them into low but maybe the right type of carrot. Anyway, I'm a casual player. No time for null and the logistics of living there so ISK grinding there is not an option. And to be honest I CBA with CTA, killboard etc so it is not for me. All I want to do is PVP and grind as little as possible to make that happen. High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them. What a sad way to play this game ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Natasha Liao Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 35	Posted - 2012.11.08 02:22:00 - [327] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: Simply buffing null sec income from ratting would simply make inflation even worse than it currently is, the only way to achieve a proper balance between null and high sec (which does not currently exist) is to lower high sec income. A 20% drop in mission income is not crippling, but coupled with a 10/20% buff to null sec ratting income, it makes null attractive enough to entice people from high sec in search of isk. While a 20% nerf to mission income ( on top of all the other mission nerfs that have happened ) won't be crippling - it'll sure as hell make a boring, tedious ISK grind that much more so. All so I can send ISK to this 'Toon to make go BOOM and hopefully die gloriously. Yeah ... make an already unfun activity that much more unfun. Comparatively speaking grinding is grinding no matter what game you play. The basic activity of 'kill x for y amount of currency/rep/loot pinata' doesn't really matter whether I'm playing a Night Elf/Blood Elf or I'm a Rifter/Punisher. You still have to spend time grinding. So then it boils down to which game sucks less. And ... it won't make null any more 'attractive' to me. Some of the Null folks I've run across over the years have shown me how 'attractive' it truly is. My efforts in game and out to get into a Null corp have been a major waste of time and effort. I doubt I'd bother again. Making it so I 'have' to go only gives me more reason to take my money elsewhere. Or just play some F2P game. It's not as irritating when you walk away from those in disgust.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1706	Posted - 2012.11.08 04:21:00 - [328] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Lord Zim wrote: This, coming from the "OH HOLY ** YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A NEGATIVE CHANGE TO HISEC EVERYONE'LL QUIT OVER IT AND THE GAME WILL DIE!!!**" crowd. Yea, some people's morality is limited to "what's best for me". The thing that I find irritating about them is that they always think it's someone else who has the problem. It is, because they aren't them. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 488	Posted - 2012.11.08 08:45:00 - [329] - Quote I honestly can't comprehend the pages and pages of highsec bears claiming that highsec having infinitely better industry capabilities with infinitely less risk is somehow ok. It completely shatters the risk v reward thing. Industry in null is absolutely abysmal, absolutely no one does it because it's so broken. The capabilities in null should exceed that of highsec as a payoff to the chance of all your stuff blown up and losing all your outposts, pos and systems. CCP could just buff the hell out of null to where it exceeds current highsec industry capabilities, but that would be rather ridiculous - there needs to be a meet in the middle type approach - I'll not use that one word because I know highsec bears fly into a tearfest the second they see it, but along with buffing null industry the capabilities of highsec need to be reduced a little or have some extra costs.
Lord Zim 1930	Posted - 2012.11.08 08:47:00 - [330] - Quote aaaaaaaaaaaaa WE'LL JUST QUIT THEN aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.



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