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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1885
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:54:00 -
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tl;dr: the new bounty system gives the ability to mark any hisec miner for death by putting only a 20 mil ISK bounty on their head. Thoughts?
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So, the new bounty system offers partial bounty payouts on ship kills, equal to 10% of the ISK lost by the target. This payout decreases the total value of the bounty. So, let's look at some numbers:
A gank-fit Catalyst (neutron blasters, prop/point, and damage) costs about 2-3 mil ISK. Let's call it 2.5 mil ISK.
A Hulk hull is hovering at just below 200 mil ISK. Let's toss the fittings in and call that a straight 200 mil. The payout for killing one of these? 200/10 = 20 mil ISK. In Catalysts? 20/2.5 = 8. So, as long as the gankers use fewer than 8 Catalysts, they will be making money.
Other "profitable ganking" margins in the same vein:
- Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 7 Catalysts; think that's enough to break a Mack's tank?
- Covetor (~35 mil) = ~2 Catalysts
- Retriever (~25 mil) = 1 Catalyst
You can replace the Catalyst with a Thrasher if you like artillery alpha more (for 0.9 and 1.0 sec ganking). The payout for each of these is more than enough to fund and even profit off of suicide ganking, even after the mining buff.
The question, of course, is "who would put bounties on miners?" Other miners (who wish to not be ganked themselves, and try to get more attention on others), trolls with far too much money to spend, and other people who wish to see hisec mining become a more "active" activity (James 315?). It also makes Hulkageddon far, far easier to distribute rewards for (I'm looking at you, Goonswarm).
As icing on the cake, bounties can be placed not only on individual miners, but on mining corps, too -- which leads to an indirect bounty on all members.
So... is this a welcome change? How do you think it will affect hisec? Is it a "stealth nerf" to mining?
Discuss. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10031
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:55:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:tl;dr: the new bounty system gives the ability to mark any hisec miner for death by putting only a 20 mil ISK bounty on their head. Thoughts? Excellent. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1870
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:57:00 -
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Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1885
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:58:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^ The payouts apply to pod kills too. Killing a 1 billion ISK pod pays out 100 mil ISK (so long as the existing bounty is big enough to cover it). Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:00:00 -
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You can put a bounty on a whole corp? Well if the bounty system allows people to put bounties on anyone, I guess a lot of people won't even care about making a profit. Some people will just gank them because they can. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1885
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:You can put a bounty on a whole corp? Well if the bounty system allows people to put bounties on anyone, I guess a lot of people won't even care about making a profit. Some people will just gank them because they can. The devblog implied that corp bounties would exist in order to be able to pay out bounties for, for example, killing a POS. Killing loads of miners works too, though. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
933
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:04:00 -
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Looking forward to encouraging ganking on shiny Incursion fleets. Why did you take my wings away? |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1870
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:04:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Now i wished we could put bounty on ALL the pods ................ ^_^ The payouts apply to pod kills too. Killing a 1 billion ISK pod pays out 100 mil ISK (so long as the existing bounty is big enough to cover it). Yes, of course, but nobody will put a bounty on ALL the pods around, especially those who are autopiloting.
That, btw, doesn't imply that bountypods don't autopilot. This actually happens. I've shot an autopiloting, 20 Million ISK bountypod once.
The dumbest of the dumb.
Congratulate me.
Thank you. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:06:00 -
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That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10032
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:07:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD. No. Bounties have no effect on CrimeWatch. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:10:00 -
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I guess I should read about how it works. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
40
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:10:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD.
negative |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
383
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:11:00 -
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I;m looking forward to it.
Eve is harsh
HTFU or GTFO
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Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians
795
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That's interesting. So you can place a really low bounty on a corp and then kill anyone you want without being attacked by CONCORD. No. Bounties have no effect on CrimeWatch. This.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:15:00 -
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I can't find it in F&I. |
Pandorium9
Pandorium Prime The CodeX Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:23:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I can't find it in F&I.
This would be what you are looking for:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:34:00 -
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Thanks. |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
465
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:38:00 -
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Different, but not better or worse in my opinion.
Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10035
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:44:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. Sure they will.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
819
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:49:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really. The best part is that you think kill rights will be meaningful after Winter. Nothing Found |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2603
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:50:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Different, but not better or worse in my opinion.
Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.
They can. It just ensures that they use that character in a very focused way, solely for suicide ganks against an already picked out target. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2603
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:51:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really. The best part is that you think kill rights will be meaningful after Winter.
For the intelligent they will be very meaningful, just not overly so in this particular situation. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1882
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:52:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Different, but not better or worse in my opinion.
Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
465
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:52:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really. The best part is that you think kill rights will be meaningful after Winter.
Maybe not for alt gankers or semi-permanent nullbears on a holiday, but at least it stops "tourist" suicide ganking, per se. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
847
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:54:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Looking forward to encouraging ganking on shiny Incursion fleets.
I thought you think like Zim and Darth: high sec is safer than ever brb |
Dessau
62
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:01:00 -
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So...
- Accost High Sec miner
- If no response, Bump and move to next miner
- If response, Ransom for 365 day Indulgence
- If accepted, move to next miner
- If declined, Bounty exhumer by type
...sounds like a workable flow.
Personally, I'm only interested in punishing AFK'ers and macrominers, but don't have a spare 5 billion for that purpose.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
Moondancer Starweaver
The Drones Club Shoot 2 Thrill
7
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:01:00 -
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Well i think it can (not sure if it will) create an interesting dynamic where you have gankers killing miners and miners selling kill rights to bounty hunters, and bounty hunters killing gankers |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
819
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:03:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really. Arduemont wrote: nice of you to think you can ridicule me for something you thought I meant So, if you're not talking about kill rights, what are you talking about? Nothing Found |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1883
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:05:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Arduemont wrote:Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really. The best part is that you think kill rights will be meaningful after Winter. Maybe not for alt gankers or semi-permanent nullbears on a holiday, but at least it stops "tourist" suicide ganking, per se. I never said the killright would be game-changing (nice of you to think you can ridicule me for something you thought I meant), but they will be there and they will affect some people significantly. So, now you're talking crap because people responded to what you *actually* said ?
Way to go, really. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
847
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:07:00 -
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Moondancer Starweaver wrote:Well i think it can (not sure if it will) create an interesting dynamic where you have gankers killing miners and miners selling kill rights to bounty hunters, and bounty hunters killing gankers
The second being the "other alt" of the "third" one How to create easy to exploit features brb |
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