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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1604
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:27:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Tippia wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I like the idea I saw somewhere. If you kill a ship while flagged criminal, you pay the insurance payout for that ship. And you cannot board a ship with a negative wallet. That's a pretty awful idea considering what a meta-game punishment a negative wallet is. Legitimate gameplay should not remove your ability to play the game. You can still play the game. You can log in, warp about, sell assets, chat. But actions should have consequences. In practice, a -10 ganking alt that gets a negative wallet would just have its wallet pumped back up by the main. *facepalm* I agree. It's pretty moronic. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ryhss
Short Bus Riders Group
21
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:28:00 -
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If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1390
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:29:00 -
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Ryhss for CSM! (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Selinate
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:32:00 -
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The amount of ***** I give is hysterically low. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1899
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:42:00 -
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Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. Personally, i don't shoot miners and i don't really care about them, except because of that stupid buff they got out of their own stupidity.
Anyhow ... You're right. Instead, they should attack people like you. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1894
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:38:00 -
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OP updated with the following:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Edit: Apparently I fail at reading. The bounties devblog clearly states 20%, not 10%, as the intended payout rate. So, in light of that, some revised figures for how many destroyers a gank can pay for:
- Hulk (~200 mil) = 16 destroyers
- Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 14 destroyers
- Covetor (~35 mil) = 4 destroyers
- Retriever (~25 mil) = 2 destroyers
Thanks go to Shederov Blood for pointing this out. Shederov, I didn't reply to your mail beause I have better things to do with 1 mil than pay your CSPA charge.
Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
823
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:52:00 -
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Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. Confirming I'm weak, pathetic, and can't PvP for crap (I really can't, I'm terrible).
So, uh, what does that actually mean for me anyway? Nothing Found |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1398
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:56:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. Confirming I'm weak, pathetic, and can't PvP for crap (I really can't, I'm terrible). So, uh, what does that actually mean for me anyway? Why, it means that you're a no-life 35-year-old virgin living in your parents' basement, of course. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
824
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Posted - 2012.10.20 00:04:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Why, it means that you're a no-life 35-year-old virgin living in your parents' basement, of course.
Someone please send my wife and kid the memo, I gotta call mom... Nothing Found |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 00:12:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Why, it means that you're a no-life 35-year-old virgin living in your parents' basement, of course. Someone please send my wife and kid the memo, I gotta call mom... Please don't forget that you're obviously a sociopath, feeding yourself from the tears of others ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
65
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:40:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I have better things to do with 1 mil than pay your CSPA charge. lol, sorry. That was for the people in the trade hubs trying to sell me cheap "navy issue" ships.
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Dessau
64
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:50:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Why, it means that you're a no-life 35-year-old virgin living in your parents' basement, of course. Someone please send my wife and kid the memo, I gotta call mom... Don't jeopardize an otherwise happy double-life!
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
826
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:51:00 -
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Dessau wrote:Don't jeopardize an otherwise happy double-life! I did it for the kicks, man! Nothing Found |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1898
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:38:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I have better things to do with 1 mil than pay your CSPA charge. lol, sorry. That was for the people in the trade hubs trying to sell me cheap "navy issue" ships. It's alright, but a mil is like... half a Thrasher! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
209
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Posted - 2012.10.20 03:17:00 -
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"You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems. "
Never thought a Star Wars quote would come in handy, or be so appropriate, especially that one. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
572
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Posted - 2012.10.20 03:35:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. Confirming I'm weak, pathetic, and can't PvP for crap (I really can't, I'm terrible). So, uh, what does that actually mean for me anyway? Why, it means that you're a no-life 35-year-old virgin living in your parents' basement, of course.
But not all complexes are rated 1 to 10, some have more of an Oedipus vibe to them... Eve is real man!
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Xuixien
Perkone Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:54:00 -
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Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere.
I'll be the first to admit that I'm terrible at PvP... but I don't grief people in HiSec because I'm terrible at PvP, I grief people in HiSec because it's fun, and it's fun thanks to people like you. Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
66
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:21:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Ryhss wrote:If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere. I'll be the first to admit that I'm terrible at PvP... but I don't grief people in HiSec because I'm terrible at PvP, I grief people in HiSec because it's fun, and it's fun thanks to people like you. I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. It's because I hate plants.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
314
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:20:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:So after reading the article, it seems the new bounty system will keep high-sec players firmly in high-sec. If you place a bounty on a miner, they are still relatively safe in high-sec but in low sec they are an open target. They will never enter low-sec.
Well nothing change sthere does it, they are already relatively safe in hi sec and an open target in lo sec. Not that a miner has any reason to go to lo sec anyway.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1481
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:41:00 -
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If kill rights have an expiration date, they will be pointless. Kill rights should function just like the bounty system. It only expires when the same value has been destroyed.
Example: I kill some guys ship that is total in value of 100m ISK. He has kill rights on me until him or someone he sells the kill right to has inflicted 100m ISK in damages to me.
An eye for an eye if you will.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1405
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:44:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:If kill rights have an expiration date, they will be pointless. Kill rights should function just like the bounty system. It only expires when the same value has been destroyed.
Example: I kill some guys ship that is total in value of 100m ISK. He has kill rights on me until him or someone he sells the kill right to has inflicted 100m ISK in damages to me.
An eye for an eye if you will. Soooo just set the kill right price at 100 million? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Ryhss
Short Bus Riders Group
23
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:58:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ryhss for CSM! Thanks, but then I'd have to fly to Iceland. That would be cool, but I live in the USA(for now)
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:If kill rights have an expiration date, they will be pointless. Kill rights should function just like the bounty system. It only expires when the same value has been destroyed.
Example: I kill some guys ship that is total in value of 100m ISK. He has kill rights on me until him or someone he sells the kill right to has inflicted 100m ISK in damages to me.
An eye for an eye if you will. Soooo just set the kill right price at 100 million? Random number I bet, sounds like just an example. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:13:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:tl;dr: the new bounty system gives the ability to mark any hisec miner for death by putting only a 20 mil ISK bounty on their head. Thoughts? --- So, the new bounty system offers partial bounty payouts on ship kills, equal to 10% of the ISK lost by the target. This payout decreases the total value of the bounty. So, let's look at some numbers: A gank-fit Catalyst (neutron blasters, prop/point, and damage) costs about 2-3 mil ISK. Let's call it 2.5 mil ISK. A Hulk hull is hovering at just below 200 mil ISK. Let's toss the fittings in and call that a straight 200 mil. The payout for killing one of these? 200/10 = 20 mil ISK. In Catalysts? 20/2.5 = 8. So, as long as the gankers use fewer than 8 Catalysts, they will be making money. Other "profitable ganking" margins in the same vein:
- Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 7 Catalysts; think that's enough to break a Mack's tank?
- Covetor (~35 mil) = ~2 Catalysts
- Retriever (~25 mil) = 1 Catalyst
You can replace the Catalyst with a Thrasher if you like artillery alpha more (for 0.9 and 1.0 sec ganking). The payout for each of these is more than enough to fund and even profit off of suicide ganking, even after the mining buff. The question, of course, is "who would put bounties on miners?" Other miners (who wish to not be ganked themselves, and try to get more attention on others), trolls with far too much money to spend, and other people who wish to see hisec mining become a more "active" activity (James 315?). It also makes Hulkageddon far, far easier to distribute rewards for (I'm looking at you, Goonswarm). As icing on the cake, bounties can be placed not only on individual miners, but on mining corps, too -- which leads to an indirect bounty on all members. So... is this a welcome change? How do you think it will affect hisec? Is it a "stealth nerf" to mining? Will this mark the return of Hulkageddon Forever? Discuss. Edit: Apparently I fail at reading. The bounties devblog clearly states 20%, not 10%, as the intended payout rate. So, in light of that, some revised figures for how many destroyers a gank can pay for:
- Hulk (~200 mil) = 16 destroyers
- Mackinaw (~190 mil) = 14 destroyers
- Covetor (~35 mil) = 4 destroyers
- Retriever (~25 mil) = 2 destroyers
Thanks go to Shederov Blood for pointing this out. Shederov, I didn't reply to your mail beause I have better things to do with 1 mil than pay your CSPA charge.
sounds like a great change, and I'm a miner. But your math is pretty fail. |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
1
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:45:00 -
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What I like about this new system is it is a double edge sword. Both parties can use it . I can only hope that CCP builds an Isk sink into the bounty system.
When everyone puts a bounty on everyone cause they can, if it is a isk sink, the increased ship explosions and a new sink in the system would be a great thing for the game.
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Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:39:00 -
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fly procurer tank at least the mids and rigs ... laugh as people spend 8+ t2 fitted destroyers to kill your 10m isk barge for a 2m isk bounty payout
btw your suggested retail value of t2 fitted destroyer is way low.. the 2.5m isk desty you speak of does 250 dps not the 600dps you need to succeed. a more accurate appraisal can be found in the losses below
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1372922&view=losses&m=8&y=2012
15.5m per gankboat looks about average. You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1906
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:32:00 -
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Bobo Cindekela wrote:fly procurer tank at least the mids and rigs ... laugh as people spend 8+ t2 fitted destroyers to kill your 10m isk barge for a 2m isk bounty payout btw your suggested retail value of t2 fitted destroyer is way low.. the 2.5m isk desty you speak of does 250 dps not the 600dps you need to succeed. a more accurate appraisal can be found in the losses below http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1372922&view=losses&m=8&y=201215.5m per gankboat looks about average. 8+ cats for a procurer = 124m spent to kill a 6m hull and 5m in fitting for a 2.2m bounty7 cats for a mack = 108m spent to kill 170m hull and 15m in fitting for a 37m bounty 2 cats for a cov = 31m spent to kill a 29m hull 15m in fitting for a 9m bounty 1 cat for a triever = 15.5m spent to kill a 20m hull and 10m in fitting for a 6m bounty
Having friends is a great replacement for t2 mods. The numbers I gave were for t1 fits, which are more than sufficient. Also, note how I didn't mention the Procurer or Skiff. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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