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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
5167
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:33:00 -
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Some of you may remember my previous Jita chat analyzes, the 24 hours in Jita report as well as the One week in Jita report.
So with years passed by, what happened, how does it look, is spamming in local any concern?
tl;dr - Jita is full of spam, and spambots. Just like before.
For all that wants to look at numbers and stuff themselves without reading my boring text, the link is below.
Six months in Jita (table columns are clickable for sorting)
So, what did I find?
Much like previous times, there's a ton of talk, a lot of it what appears to be highly automated (something also pretty much confirmed).
The period analyzed is from 2012-01-01 until 2012-06-30. During this period 79,787 different pilots were found, together speaking 3,204,660 lines of chat, an average of 12,2 lines/minute, or roughly one line every 4,9 seconds.
The "in depth" analysis has only been made towards the top 100 speakers in terms of number of lines spoken.
And not surprisingly, the top 100 pilots do speak a lot - they among themselves are responsible for 30,4% of all chat in Jita during the entire period. So roughly every 3rd thing said in Jita at any time during these six months will come from one out of those 100 people.
With the top person saying 1,83% of all that's said in Jita - Samantha Marley. So then you might say, sure but there are people that speak a lot, discussing world news, politics, their daily life, and yes actually there are a few among those top 100 that do. In the case of Samantha though, she spoke 58,724 lines in total, but only 40 different things were said, and also she were only active for a total of close to 100 days out of those 182 days analyzed (but then she's a confirmed bot as well).
What do I mean by confirmed bot?
Ok this one is tough, I can't really confirm a bot, I'm not CCP, I have not really any say about bot or not (and i'm sure some people might find themselves on the list and go I'm no bot - and maybe you're not). What I mean by confirmed bot is that in my best judgement looking and posting characteristics, both what's being said, how many times it's being said, and how often, posting timers, I am fairly sure that the person is posting with the aid of some type of software.
An example would be a pilot that consistently is able to post a few lines per minute for hours and hours and never missing to post or a person that posts their messages exactly 73 seconds apart, not missing to hit that spot over and over - possible for a human, probably but highly unlikely.
So there you have my definition and how I reason when I've put a "Yes" under the bot column.
So onwards there is a graph showing how much is said each day and it goes a bit up and down, and interestingly to see the Goon's burn Jita causing a HUGE spike that "out-talked" the spammers by far 
To this we also have a list of what's being said the most times, overall, looking at chat from various channels and hubs, words like "lol", "hi" ":)" are usually at the top places - not in Jita of course.
In Jita, the phrase "[Multiple Items]" was said the most times, 113,639 times by 4,249 different pilots - that's not surprisingly though, it's a trade hub after all, the biggest even.
However, the second most thing said is "30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) x 3 1.2b" - now this is not shown here since contract links only work in-game, but it's a scam contract, said 47,542 times, by 11 different pilots!.
Same goes for 3rd place, "[Want To Sell PLEX 388Mill]", said 29282 times by 11 different pilots.
First on 4th place we find the common "lol", being said 21,808 times by 8,267 different pilots.
So what does all of this mean? Well probably mean nothing to most since you might already have commented below saying minimize local, or who reads Jita, there's a thing called block - before even getting this far  But for those who did read this far, in my opinion this shows that spamming, with or without bots isn't being dealt with at all.
Who should deal with it, well I would for one feel CCP can spot spambots quite easily and just looking at my list and seeing how much is being posted by these bots local spam can be drastically lowered with simple means.
I feel, that this kind of use of local ruins social aspects of EVE and our communication, I am seeing this grow and becoming more of a problem, while I see no actions from CCP's side. I see the same spambots that I reported over and over again, still posting there things every 20 seconds, even after being reported the first time 2 months ago.
But that's all for this report, you can see many things in the research link above for yourself and I'd be happy to try and explain and answer any questions you might have.
Maybe we can hope for a bit less spam in 2013, but looking at trends, it doesn't seem likely.
/c
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Cyprus Black
Perkone
368
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:37:00 -
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The isk spammers are also back and with a vengeance. We report them but the exact same spammers are never dealt with. It's been weeks now.
Too busy playing The Secret World.
EvE has gone stale and boring. |
Muffini
6
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:43:00 -
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too much time on your hands chief |
Jandice Ymladris
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
90
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:44:00 -
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very interesting analysis Chribba, and indeed confirms what almost every visitor to Jita silently knows, that it's the hub for both bots & scams (intriguingly, they seem to go hand in hand in Jita)
Tbh, the spams indeed are killing the social aspect in bizzier tradehubs, making it unable for normal people to advertise or talk much, without getting buried in spam. In calmer systems, the social chat is still very much alive with the right people (got a ton of good chats from my lowsec adventures with random folks) |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2164
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:46:00 -
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I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man 
ISD Type40
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
5178
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:50:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:The isk spammers are also back and with a vengeance. We report them but the exact same spammers are never dealt with. It's been weeks now.
Indeed, even the most obvious bots, reported many many times, still going strong 
Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief
Very true. At least it shaved off a few hours
Jandice Ymladris wrote:Tbh, the spams indeed are killing the social aspect in bizzier tradehubs, making it unable for normal people to advertise or talk much, without getting buried in spam. In calmer systems, the social chat is still very much alive with the right people (got a ton of good chats from my lowsec adventures with random folks) Exactly one of my main points, glad you see it the same way.
ISD TYPE40 wrote:I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man
Thank you! 
/c
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Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
52
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:51:00 -
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79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.
That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.
Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1807
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:52:00 -
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This thread is awesome! It has my official stamp of approval.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
421
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:54:00 -
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This is just confirmation, as if it were needed, that CCP silently looks the other way where spam bots are concerned. Ah well, that's just one reason I rarely venture to Jita.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
Border World Enterprises
265
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:56:00 -
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Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief
ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve |
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
Disaster Strikes
73
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:56:00 -
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Great analysis.
Is the raw data made available?
What kind of statistical method did you use in your classification of bot vs non-bot.. is it just some threshold of repetitiveness? If so what is that threshold?
The fact that Samantha stops dead at around 17th May may be a sign that she got banned. I would like to see an analysis of how many people you have classified as botters have subsequently stopped posting (presumably because they got banned too). It would be a good measure of how effective CCP's anti-botting campaign is at targeting chat bots!
Track your wealth with EVE Stats: https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
15
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:56:00 -
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Good job Sir, CCP should employ people like you.
"I feel, that this kind of use of local ruins social aspects of EVE and our communication"
Totaly agre with you, two years ago i got chat baned in jita just because i say on local somthing similar to your opinion about ruins social aspecet of EvE because of spamers and scamers, and some GM was not happy about my respond on local just because i was to obiective.... Form this day i never wrote in jita while im in rage... |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1884
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:01:00 -
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Connaght Badasaz wrote:79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.
That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.
Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.
I fail to see how these bots put any actual money into CCP,
because they obviously have the ISK for paying via PLEX ...
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1884
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:02:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve
I believe you worded this wrong, or are you implying he's RMTing ?
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Reticle
Sight Picture
57
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:08:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve I believe you worded this wrong, or are you implying he's RMTing ?
I think all the Concordokkens have shaken your brain. He's referring to all the website traffic and ad revenue. Though I personally doubt it keeps him from having to work. |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
143
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:08:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve I believe you worded this wrong, or are you implying he's RMTing ?
I think the implication is that with all of the ad revenue from all of his sites, he wouldn't need a conventional job. I don't know if this is true or not, but he does have his hands in most of the cookie jars in Eve.
http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1589
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:11:00 -
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Well done Mr. Chribba.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
735
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:12:00 -
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I report the same female npc corp charcater for isk scamming everytime I go to Jita. It does clear her/it's post but it's back next time.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Nerf it cause I can't fly it.
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1884
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:15:00 -
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Reticle wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:Muffini wrote:too much time on your hands chief ofc he does, doesnt need to work wi9th the amount of money he makes off eve I believe you worded this wrong, or are you implying he's RMTing ? I think all the Concordokkens have shaken your brain. He's referring to all the website traffic and ad revenue. Though I personally doubt it keeps him from having to work.
I have *no* idea about his sites, tbh ...
I know that he got plenty, but i've never cared of actually looking.
So my bad, i guess. I apologize. :)
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
108
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:21:00 -
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Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland... |
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Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
53
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:22:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Connaght Badasaz wrote:79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.
That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.
Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.
I fail to see how these bots put any actual money into CCP, because they obviously have the ISK for paying via PLEX ...
Where do these plex originate from?
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
108
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Connaght Badasaz wrote:79k is the reason. Even if a tenth of them were full on bots, the company can hardly be bothered to dump that many subs.
That is the core of the bots in mmo's. The company gets money. It won't be gotten rid of.
Good work, and keep trucking, maybe I will be proven incorrect.
I fail to see how these bots put any actual money into CCP, because they obviously have the ISK for paying via PLEX ...
PLEX aren't just created out of thin air. That statement is like saying Nordstrom doesn't make any money from gift card purchases. |
Josef Djugashvilis
702
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:25:00 -
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We are all fortunate to have Chribba as one of our Eve community.
This is not a signature. |
Selinate
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:29:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:The isk spammers are also back and with a vengeance. We report them but the exact same spammers are never dealt with. It's been weeks now.
Do you mean the scam that involves "doubling" your isk, or people who are selling isk for cash? I haven't seen a single one of the latter, and I have a jump clone stationed in jita which I jump to quite often. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
247
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:31:00 -
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Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
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Profit.
In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:32:00 -
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Nice work....
So, what is an appropriate punishment for bots spamming?
-- I think a server side ban on their local spam, without actually informing them, would be somewhat poetic justice... but a simple x-day ban or something is probably easier to implement and more effective in both in terms of time and EvE cpu usage.. |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
59
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:34:00 -
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When Chribba speaks... Logs show something. |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3000
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:34:00 -
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Chribba the bot hunter strikes again.
Very impressive!
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Robert Warner
Snap Crackle Pop.
AAA Citizens
52
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:36:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland...
It would if it weren't common knowledge across the entire span of the community.
However, I must commend you on our work, Chribba. The data you've collated here could be used to identify botters and with a little work identify their IP addresses.
*ahem* if CCP would like to help solve the problem there's plenty of collected in here.
I, like you, would very much like to see this issue of bot scamming solved.
I know a number of people will say "ignore local" etc, but that isn't the point, is it? The major trading hubs should be a place that people can come together and socialise as a community. EvE fails miserably in this regard due to its stubborn refusal to deal with the bots that have become endemic in these sectors.
Thanks again for all the work you do for the community, Chribba. I hope the powers that be will, upon reading your data, recognise that this is a significant detriment to players' enjoyment of the game and take steps accordingly. |
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:48:00 -
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Hey Sreegs:
get owned |
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