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Vae Abeo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:41:00 -
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And now we play the waiting game...............Eve that is.
Really awesome and interesting read. |
Lady Godwynn
Cobalt Valkyrie Industries
55
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:39:00 -
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As a Jita denizen I'd just like to voice my dissatisfaction with the lack of attention that this is getting from CCP.
I could go on and on about other types of bots, but let's stick to the chat-bots for now.
Maybe if CCP notices that these bots are having a noticeable effect on a lot of players' quality of play they'll
see a business reason in stopping them.
LG
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Homeboy McJewerson
Exclusion Cartel
The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:03:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:MeBiatch wrote:really good read... but i dont think ccp will do anything to kill scam bots as they are isk sinks and not faucets... so ccp imo would rather go after mining and ratting bots instead... Scammers are not ISK sinks because the money is still present in the economy, it just changes hands. An isk sink is something that eliminates ISK from the market. The LP store is an ISK sink. Insurance is an ISK sink. Production queue renting is an ISK sink. Your logic is ****. Sales tax and Brokers fees in jita station goto the house right? Contracts with isk values in them provide an isk sink (I can not argue to how much though) because they create taxable transactions.
I would be a fan of a monetary penalty instead of ban hammers. The cloak gag thing would be interesting. What about charging people a rising cspa charge for the number of lines they use in a period of time in local? It can be a very small charge but on the average "spammer" its going to start costing them and they will be forced to focus on smarter quality chat posts rather than quantity posting. |
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2012.10.21 10:27:00 -
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Still waiting for a CCP response on this. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
431
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Posted - 2012.10.21 10:52:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Still waiting for a CCP response on this. Don't hold your breath mate.
CCP will continue to be willfully blind to this as a sub is a sub.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Lord Leftfield
The Society
Calyxes
25
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Posted - 2012.10.21 10:58:00 -
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Chribba for president! 
Hard to say if ccp needs the revenue of subs from bots? Most likly these bots have spammed their way into some kind of selfsustainancy. In my opinion, not putting down a thougher stand in the main hubs against local spamming, hurts the game. This is considering most new pilots will at some point travel to jita. Spam bots is ******* up peoples game expirience! Hurf Durf.. |
DJ DeLaMuerta
Weird Science Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:10:00 -
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Its a shame it took a player to point this out to CCP! Should have been sorted a long time ago!
Awesome job Cribba! :)
Over to you CCP!
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
431
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:14:00 -
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DJ DeLaMuerta wrote:Its a shame it took a player to point this out to CCP! Should have been sorted a long time ago!
Awesome job Cribba! :)
Over to you CCP!
Why would they act?
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
McFukinPate
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:23:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland... 
Not a chance mate. Those a55wipes are happy with the way it is. |
Adm Bullok
Brothers ln Arms
4
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Posted - 2012.10.21 12:32:00 -
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<-- Gets the feeling our space would be a better place were this man employed @ CCP. |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:01:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man 
Great...
But why won't CCP deal with this? My guess is they simply don't care...
Shizuken wrote:Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland...
Not likely. This old news and you can bet CCP has known about this for a very long time. It won't get fixed... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1069
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:49:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
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Profit.
In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable. This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response.
Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
5259
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:21:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
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Profit.
In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable. This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response. Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one?
I think what would be needed is quicker response times. If they can be reported and actually checked up on fairly quickly the hassle of changing accounts would become bigger.
Many times, spambots are quite easily spotted, so it could be taken action against fairly quick if there is someone watching. A report that lays for 2 weeks will not be of use since the trial expired kinda. And to add to this since I'm sure CCP does some form of fingerprinting, it could be easy for them to also tag accounts far quicker.
Yes, people will use virtual machines and the likes, but really fingerprints, IP's, links like that should make it even easier for CCP to make a quicker judgement. If the same IP or computer over and over again gets reported, it's likely that the next report is the same guy again and could make it easier to make a decision.
But who will sit and do this you ask? Well yeah I think in the end CCP would need someone that has more focus on the issue to do this kind of work rather than regular GMs with petition queues.
I report these pilots when I can, but I don't even know if they are being looked at. If CCP has any guidelines I'd be happy to get some more input there and of course see if there's more we as pilots can do before this gets completely out of hand.
/c
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Bubanni
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
524
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:37:00 -
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Spam bots should be dealt with just as harshly as mining bots, and specially when you have good proof like you gathered about these bots, they should be stopped sooner rather than later...
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
101
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:46:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:Spam bots should be dealt with just as harshly as mining bots, and specially when you have good proof like you gathered about these bots, they should be stopped sooner rather than later...
Agreed, a bot is a bot.
Whether it's mining or talking over local, it's automating the keystroke system required to do that task. |
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
Eternal Evocations
12
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:58:00 -
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iff ccp cleaned up Jita, i wouldn't need to shower every time i leave the system |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
261
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:02:00 -
[107] - Quote
Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here.
New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2012.10.21 19:33:00 -
[108] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
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Profit.
In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable. This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response. Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one? I think what would be needed is quicker response times. If they can be reported and actually checked up on fairly quickly the hassle of changing accounts would become bigger. Many times, spambots are quite easily spotted, so it could be taken action against fairly quick if there is someone watching. A report that lays for 2 weeks will not be of use since the trial expired kinda. And to add to this since I'm sure CCP does some form of fingerprinting, it could be easy for them to also tag accounts far quicker. Yes, people will use virtual machines and the likes, but really fingerprints, IP's, links like that should make it even easier for CCP to make a quicker judgement. If the same IP or computer over and over again gets reported, it's likely that the next report is the same guy again and could make it easier to make a decision. But who will sit and do this you ask? Well yeah I think in the end CCP would need someone that has more focus on the issue to do this kind of work rather than regular GMs with petition queues. I report these pilots when I can, but I don't even know if they are being looked at. If CCP has any guidelines I'd be happy to get some more input there and of course see if there's more we as pilots can do before this gets completely out of hand. /c
I'd bet that volunteers would line up to do this for free if CCP would give them the tools to do the job... |
Lieam Thellere
Noctis Inc.
The CodeX Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:11:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here.
I doubt it. Anything they post would get piled on and over-scrutinized as people try to figure out what they really mean.  |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
431
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:45:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here. Unlikely.
I'm surprised the ISD volunteers did to be honest.
The OpEd says unless there's a mess to be cleaning up they won't be commenting anymore either.
CCP needs every sub it can get, and as Jita spamming is not like RMT and botting we are stuck with it.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
431
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:47:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I'd bet that volunteers would line up to do this for free if CCP would give them the tools to do the job... Yeah, and that would never end badly.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
REALITY X
Dark Matter Commodities
72
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:28:00 -
[112] - Quote
Great work Chribba!
www.EVEportraits.com |
Setab Nairromede
Macabre Votum
Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:47:00 -
[113] - Quote
And you see why we gave this man his own station. Impressive data. |
Alexila Quant
Strategic Acquisitions Group
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 01:14:00 -
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HOLY ****
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Said 16152 times by ONE per-- *AHEMM* bot |
Talus Veran
Valis Inc
18
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Posted - 2012.10.22 01:23:00 -
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Nice presentation of data.
I hope CCP follows up on this with you about it if their logs show nothing.
I'm sure they are now aware of your endeavors.
"Zee Goggles, Zey Do Nothing!"
Message me on Twitter-á-á @talus_veran
I follow -á #eveonline-á &-á #tweetfleet |
Yoshmoto
Magellan Corporation
Jokers Wild.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:45:00 -
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Who gives a ****.
Jita will be Jita ...
You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.
Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...
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Rebecca Cairn
Cairn Trade Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:58:00 -
[117] - Quote
Whoops. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
5272
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Posted - 2012.10.22 08:29:00 -
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Yoshmoto wrote:Who gives a ****.
Jita will be Jita ...
You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.
Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...
While your post indeed offer a solution, it doesn't address the problem this thread is about (and I also think you stopped reading at my tl;dr  )
/c
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Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
4081
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Posted - 2012.10.22 08:33:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Yoshmoto wrote:Who gives a ****.
Jita will be Jita ...
You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.
Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...
While your post indeed offer a solution, it doesn't address the problem this thread is about (and I also think you stopped reading at my tl;dr ) /c
Possibly, turning of the ability to speak in jita. This will cut off some trade among people, but will cut out the heart of the bots.
it's not a very good solution, but botters are hard to remove...
I'm the voice inside your head...you refuse to hear,
I'm the face that you have to face... the mirror in your stare,
I'm whats Left..I'm whats Right... I'm the enemy,
I'm the hand that'll take you down.. and bring you to your knees, So Who..are you? |
Adoro
Reikoku
The Retirement Club
21
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Posted - 2012.10.22 08:44:00 -
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Didnt read whole thread, but this brings up an idea:
Import external block list (xml file). Much like the fittings and overview. You can share a block list with other people. Our friend Chribba here (or anyone who has too much time and too much veldspar) could generate a new block list every * days we all can enjoy.
If CCP doesnt block/ban spam botters, atleast give us the tools to fight against them |
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