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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:25:00 -
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This is a petition, that means if you agree reply with that you agree if you don't please don't reply... its not a discussion if you feel the need for a discussion make a different thread.
Petition: We the following players feel that CCP replacement policy should change regarding to include ALL iteams that were on a ship if it is lost due to a confirmed bug or server crash. By this it is meant that no longer will players perminently lose what was jettisoned into a can regardless if 5 seconds after the bug occured a player came by and looted the can. Players should not be penalized for bugs in your programming.
Since your GMs are steadfast in their saying that they can not see what was on the ship before it was destroyed. We request that a new logging subprogram be written that logs what players have on their ships both in cargo and fit to the ship at all times.
We also request that a more detailed combat log for your GMs to read be made. To include who targets what, all the entities involved in the combat not just who laid the final blow. Also a better log of what the player was doing during combat, IE if the player simply saw a overspawned complex and attempted to warp out or if they decided to engadge the enemy.
In the end the petitions primary message to CCP is simple; we want our lost iteams back if a server crash or bug caused the loss.
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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:27:00 -
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Signed
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Jester87
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:30:00 -
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I agree with it, Makes sense anyway. I didnt lose any ships or equipment though, All i lost was time.
I was supposed to transporting goods tonight for my corp and beacuse of this down time I may not reach goals in time. Ill lose out on several million isk, not to mention Training time since I needed to change training at 11pm est. Is there anything CCP can do about training time or money being lost... Time is money and with the server down, Everyones losing quite a bit probally.
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Ayur
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:31:00 -
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Signed
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HansGrueber
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:31:00 -
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Signed
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:32:00 -
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Yeah so we can feel up much needed space as well have whatever do more work writing a detail log for every thing you do that could crash something even more. No thanks, not needed... Suffer with it, it's only a game with people who put in long hours to make us happy. Think of them before you ask such high standards.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Miner''s Bane on 26/03/2005 04:33:52
I fully support this. After I lose a ship to a CTD/bug, I will remember to log an alt in, grab my can, and then petition for everything on my ship.
Then I will sell all of the arbalest siege that dropped, keep my replacement ship, and make several hundred million from whatever bug caused my ship loss/replacement.
Thanks! I was just thinking that I really didnt want to work for my money, so I really appreciate it that youre thinking outside the box for new sources of income for me.
It would also be extremely helpful if CCP could stop removing the isk that I recieved from insurance when they replace my ship. Hasnt anyone ever heard of pain and suffering damages?
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Moxx
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Moxx on 26/03/2005 04:35:30
Yup.
I remember once, way back when Eve was still new and the servers went down and there where widespread losses from things.
They granted everyone like 100,000 isk. In todays measure thats not much, but back then.. Wow!
Anyhow... I'd be happy with 100mil for tonights issue.
Please get on it CCP.
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Brian Royer
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:34:00 -
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They already give items back if it is a problem on their end. Gameplay issues are a different story.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:34:00 -
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Also don't think this is the IDEA board.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:35:00 -
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People feeling like posting things like miner don't 1 they would know your alt grabbed the can. Anyways you detract from the point of petition. please don't.
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Luciaya
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:38:00 -
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For months we have all suffered and lost things within the boundries of CCP Eve's gameplay laws.
Why change it now? If they did, they'd then get a flood of pentions for historic things lost.
It's part of the mechanics of the game. Live with it.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't put it on your ship. Simple really.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Miner''s Bane on 26/03/2005 04:40:46
 Originally by: Akadios
People feeling like posting things like miner don't 1 they would know your alt grabbed the can. Anyways you detract from the point of petition. please don't.
Are you kidding? I cant even get CCP to take action when people log onto their alts to exploit-log their ships.
What youre basically asking is for CCP to dupe any objects you lose, ignoring that they've just created new stuff for nothing.
If you want this, you'll also have to implement a per-item tracking system so that the GMs can identify and remove any items that were on your ship from the game before replacing it.
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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:43:00 -
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for those that agree with me don't bother posting the people that always decide to argue with something and can't simply not sign a petition have ruined the fact that this is a petition.
From Websters Dictionary:
Petition: formal written document requesting a right or benefit from a person or group in authority.
no where does it say a document to have many written arguements on...
The point is if you don't agree you don't sign and the Person or group in this case the devs and gms reading the petition will take into account the number of people who signed vs the number of people that didn't in closing I personally think all of you that felt the need to poisin the petition thread with comments about how you disagree suck.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:46:00 -
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IBTL
Just asked for a ROLLBACK...we'll see.
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Sakura Yoshida
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:48:00 -
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i sign too, i lost a ship, i was insured and all, but now i have to spend another week saving for insurance, and equipment :(, if they could just bring back my ship how it was before, and remove the sum of the insurance payout from my wallet, i'd be perfectly happy again, it just seems unfair, since i lost a ship through no real fault of my own, if they had a list of what you had on your ship when it was destroyed, it'd be easy to replace |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:50:00 -
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You want more server usage, more memory usage and more space usage to write a better log. The server is down for some unknown reason right now. I say again, you want a detail log per person when the server is down right now due to a problem. You want it to work harder to make you happy when the server is down. I think I said that 3 times now.
Sorry if I disagree with your moronic post. This is a idea for a change in the game (Hard coded) not just a petition on a GM system. Anyways, who are you to tell us not to discuss. Just adding more traffic to the servers in making me reply to this like CCP owes you there live to bow to the players of EVE. Try looking from all sides.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akadios
The point is if you don't agree you don't sign and the Person or group in this case the devs and gms reading the petition will take into account the number of people who signed vs the number of people that didn't in closing I personally think all of you that felt the need to poisin the petition thread with comments about how you disagree suck.
Youre an idiot. Ignoring the fact that you wont get what you want, ever, which do you think is more likely to get results? Some dumbass petition with a topic in all caps, or an actual debate over what you want, where the problems that it will cause are examined and suggustions are put forth on how to solve those problems?
Yeah, thats what I thought. Heres an idea - how about you spend some time bettering your suggustion instead of posting a pathetic rant about how people not agreeing with you makes you sad because everyone should agree with you.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:54:00 -
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Seconded!
I further move that for each hour (excluding scheduled downtime of 1 hour per day) that the servers are down we should get one free day on our billing.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:55:00 -
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A solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty.
Shoulda used that definition, cause you sweet talk ccp sublimenaly by making them think they are "superior" /emote *Snickers*
I agree, except the part about duping stuff, that wouldn't work. It would probably be a lot harder to work in than you make it seem, but hey, maybe the EASTER BUNNY could leave us a lil somethin somethin in our baskets (that's not bunny nuggets)
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:55:00 -
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I disagree.
And if I don't say it here how will they know I dont support you?
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 26/03/2005 04:55:19
Sounds reasonable, anthough being a programmer I can see why this trade off was made. Any additional feature to things you mentioned above add EXPONENTIAL complexity and up processing power requirements in same fashion (this raises really fast as more and more players are involved in particular event).
Result would be lag for everyone (at least at current state of technology and code in eve).
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.03.26 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: KrakizBad
A solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty.
Shoulda used that definition, cause you sweet talk ccp sublimenaly by making them think they are "superior" /emote *Snickers*
I agree, except the part about duping stuff, that wouldn't work. It would probably be a lot harder to work in than you make it seem, but hey, maybe the EASTER BUNNY could leave us a lil somethin somethin in our baskets (that's not bunny nuggets)
And you stop smoking 
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.26 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: Akadios
The point is if you don't agree you don't sign and the Person or group in this case the devs and gms reading the petition will take into account the number of people who signed vs the number of people that didn't in closing I personally think all of you that felt the need to poisin the petition thread with comments about how you disagree suck.
Youre an idiot. Ignoring the fact that you wont get what you want, ever, which do you think is more likely to get results? Some dumbass petition with a topic in all caps, or an actual debate over what you want, where the problems that it will cause are examined and suggustions are put forth on how to solve those problems?
Yeah, thats what I thought. Heres an idea - how about you spend some time bettering your suggustion instead of posting a pathetic rant about how people not agreeing with you makes you sad because everyone should agree with you.
Actually your the idiot for feeling the need to argue everything >meaning of petition and concept of petition. Your are just on of a hundred ppl that plague the forums with negative comments I would actually love to see a forum that you don't make a negative comment in, I don't care if people disagree but as I requested in the original post if you want to discuss please make a new topic to discuss and leave this one simply to being a petition this was a request and people that are idiots like yourself refuse to ever pay attention to requests of other people... Simply making yourself a ignorant, self-centered, and egotistic *******. k? not even gonna bother checking for what lame response you have to this it isn't worth my time.
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Question2
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Posted - 2005.03.26 05:05:00 -
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Signed.Makes perfect sense.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.26 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akadios
Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: Akadios
The point is if you don't agree you don't sign and the Person or group in this case the devs and gms reading the petition will take into account the number of people who signed vs the number of people that didn't in closing I personally think all of you that felt the need to poisin the petition thread with comments about how you disagree suck.
Youre an idiot. Ignoring the fact that you wont get what you want, ever, which do you think is more likely to get results? Some dumbass petition with a topic in all caps, or an actual debate over what you want, where the problems that it will cause are examined and suggustions are put forth on how to solve those problems?
Yeah, thats what I thought. Heres an idea - how about you spend some time bettering your suggustion instead of posting a pathetic rant about how people not agreeing with you makes you sad because everyone should agree with you.
Actually your the idiot for feeling the need to argue everything >meaning of petition and concept of petition. Your are just on of a hundred ppl that plague the forums with negative comments I would actually love to see a forum that you don't make a negative comment in, I don't care if people disagree but as I requested in the original post if you want to discuss please make a new topic to discuss and leave this one simply to being a petition this was a request and people that are idiots like yourself refuse to ever pay attention to requests of other people... Simply making yourself a ignorant, self-centered, and egotistic *******. k? not even gonna bother checking for what lame response you have to this it isn't worth my time.
What a joke. CCP having issues and prob scrambling around there offices trying to fix it and you demand more Akadios. Maybe you should refraim from calling people *******s when are trying to form a "Mob" to demand something from people who are hard a work for you. Think, it helps.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2005.03.26 11:34:00 -
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*signed*
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.03.26 11:35:00 -
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Very much Signed!
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Interesting.
Sooo for an example, oh and by the way this has happened to me, due to a cap bug my apoc is unable to tank and is ganked by a swarm of blood priests. My corpmate loots my can for me. We decide that he keeps my stuff (6 modulated megabeams) till after my petition is actioned. With your proposed changes, I've just made 6 modulated megabeams on top of the ones my corpmate rescued for me. Your proposed changes create an exploitable situation.
Come up with an exploit proof modification and I'll sign it.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Krayl
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Posted - 2005.03.26 13:16:00 -
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Don't you get a list of what items were lost in the kill mail?
Surely it can't be hard for the GMs to access the kill mail and see what was destroyed from that?
Signed even though I haven't lost a ship from server issues yet |
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