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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:21:00 -
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Tonight saw a major engagement with one of our enemies in Nonni.
We have had Fleet engagements a LOT this week, with very little trouble, but not in a big system like Nonni.
Each of the previous engagements have been fine, but tonights was ridiculously bad.
My question is, why do Nonni and Jita etc etc not have a more powerful/dedicated server?
We lost a lot of ships tonight, and have petitioned them all, we will/have already recieve them all back I am sure, just as our enemies have also, but if empire wars are to be fun, the major trade systems really do need some loving.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/03/2005 22:31:37
Why would you get ships back for lag kills?
Its something that happens to all of us.
Not trying to be funny but its the game mate. If you warp to a gate where a lot of people are camping you get locked and popped and killed before your client loads a lot of the time. Thats the current state of gankaggedon insta-lock warfare for you. I bet every poor carebear hauler gets popped like that doesn't petition. Why should it be different for pvp corps?
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 28/03/2005 22:37:18
sigh
Please don't let the focus of this thread be about our petitions.
I am trying to get some constructive discussion on the state of wars in empire, and battles in large filled systems.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Geoff W
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Geoff W on 28/03/2005 22:36:51
 Originally by: KIAEddZ
sigh
Please don't let the focus of this thread be about our petitions.
I am trying to get some constructive discussion on the state of wars in empire, and battles in large filled systems.
You just cant help yourself can you, i guess its in the surname.
populated systems e.g Yulai, Niyab, Jita allways lag to crap for me, once they get over about 50 people in. like 10 second lag on modules etc...
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/03/2005 22:41:02
Originally by: Geoff W
Edited by: Geoff W on 28/03/2005 22:36:51
Originally by: KIAEddZ
sigh
Please don't let the focus of this thread be about our petitions.
I am trying to get some constructive discussion on the state of wars in empire, and battles in large filled systems.
You just cant help yourself can you, i guess its in the surname.
populated systems e.g Yulai, Niyab, Jita allways lag to crap for me, once they get over about 50 people in. like 10 second lag on modules etc...
Yeah its just the game. In that hideous agent running system whatever its called it takes about 2mins to load siege launchers. God only knows what it would be like to fight there. But seriously.... its the state of the game. YOu know I was very adamandly opposed to all the people that got their ships back for playing in Exodus week too.
If you know its gonna be laggy and you still choose to fight you should take the losses you get in my opinion.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Lags always bad around the highway, concord has killed more of our ships than some corps :D
However at certain times there are lag spikes, ccp can recognise these and refund ships
But dont petition every loss etc, sometimes u just lose ships the old fashioned way 
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:46:00 -
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Petitioning every loss would be ridiculous.
But in this case the petitions from both sides are warranted. CTD and massive lag for both sides.
So are the big systems (Yulai Nonni Jita etc) not given more resource than the smaller empire systems?
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
My question is, why do Nonni and Jita etc etc not have a more powerful/dedicated server?
My suspicion is that it just doesn't work like that. I basically think this is a software issue more than anything and the current code can't cope adequately.
I think that is the truth behind a lot of issues in this game because as far I can see CCP have thrown servers in numbers at various problems but the problems remain.
As to the general point about gates in busy systems: always a lag risk for blob-war and this is, IMO, unlikely to change anytime soon.
It is also true that petitioning losses of this kind is unlikely to get results you will like as there is no reliable way, as I understand it, for GMs to determine if the loss is from lag or not from the logs.
You might get lucky. If you do, good as no-one deserves to lose ships to lag. If I were you, though, I would expect it to happen again if you continue to blob up in Nonni, Yulai, etc.
The Cosmopolite
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Risiru
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Risiru on 28/03/2005 22:51:30
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Petitioning every loss would be ridiculous.
But in this case the petitions from both sides are warranted. CTD and massive lag for both sides.
So are the big systems (Yulai Nonni Jita etc) not given more resource than the smaller empire systems?
Sorry for hijacking. But is that's true one could petition of nearly every loss (both sides) in fleet battles in the last month (at least it has been lagging in fleet battles of G in the north)
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TRIGGER
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:52:00 -
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1. there was no lag
2. u got pwned masterfully
3. i lost a poc due to ctd but there ya go
6. can u pls undock
8. i cant count
21b. spring rolls (2)
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Valdi
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: TRIGGER
1. there was no lag
2. u got pwned masterfully
3. i lost a poc due to ctd but there ya go
6. can u pls undock
8. i cant count
21b. spring rolls (2)
yub.. there was no lag for me,, and usually im laggin my ass offf
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Leyla Anshley
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:56:00 -
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i was ok with lags. i mean had none.
and yeh.. plz undock.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:58:00 -
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For me the only real lag is in Niyabainen. Even moving through is a pain.
The surrounding systems seems fairly ok but not perfect by any means.
Why do I feel like we've had this conversation before? But then it was for 0.0! 
You can run but you cant hide - there is NO escaping the Lag!
Cheers,
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: TRIGGER
1. there was no lag
2. u got pwned masterfully
3. i lost a poc due to ctd but there ya go
6. can u pls undock
8. i cant count
21b. spring rolls (2)
I do believe that about sums it all up. I dont think hes missing anything
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ElvisLives
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:00:00 -
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i aggree, there was no lag, and i aggree again, pls undock 8)
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:01:00 -
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sigh
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:07:00 -
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yeah lags a part of life, but we try to avoid high load systems. For eg in our manoverig before I went on holiday I pulled the gang back to kemerk because jita is too laggy to fight in.
I know you cant always control the battlefield, but try and avoid certain systems like rens/jita or camping them or their gates.
Most of the time, the lag isnt awful. It can get slow sometimes, which matters lots for projectile/hybrid users as the dps is lowered further as the reload is lengthened.
But then again I normally fight in small gangs and avoid blob fights. I dont like them personally, not much of a fight if your just ganking ships every 30 seconds imo.
The lag has improved quite a lot in recent times as my own experience goes. I mean it cant get any worse than the criminal flag lag times!
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D'Artagnan
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: D''Artagnan on 28/03/2005 23:19:02
Originally by: TRIGGER
3. i lost a poc due to ctd but there ya go
funny that because you logged back on and wrote CTD :/ before your ship went boom.
we all saw you crash but due to our lack of hard hitting ships we realised that we would not kill your poc before it dissapeared and i belive the megathron was the target at the time.
Great well done you won that battle, at no point in eddz's post did he say you did not
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:19:00 -
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Smacktastic.:/ :/
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.03.28 23:44:00 -
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ffs he is trying to have a simple discussion about how bad lag is and half of u are so damn immature u can't even do that 
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Random
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:12:00 -
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Well we had sum lagg in the fight but no1 was complaining on the TS or gang, we jumped in and u warpt on us, but from what we saw, u all warping out and in again we just didn even imagen that u where lagging more than us.
There where 2 times in the fight where only intys from kia where left on the battleground and u still warped in with the fleet, if u where lagging so much, why not just regrooping on a ss and adress the problem?
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:28:00 -
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Let us see... re-describing the problem and stating obvious conclusions instead of commenting constructively and put pressure on CCP to prioritize this issue...
Everyone hates lag and the effects it creates right?
Only those with an insight into the ACTUAL design of EVE can comment precisely on the CAUSE of these effects.
Only those with insight AND skill can begin to hope to fix these problems.
What we can do is stick together, beyond the roles we have chosen in the game, and act together as players (who pay the bills).
Once CCP realize this is a problem, they need to tell us what they think WE can do to help fix it. Perhaps gather logfiles during these events. Perhaps try to re-create them while CCP staff monitor and log things.
CCP alone cannot provide a the couple of hundred players required to re-create this in a controlled environment, so why dont THEY come up woth a series of tests, designed to help THEM understand the problem and fix it?
I am sure that the major alliances can agree to come up with 50 or so people each that can help out on any given day?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/03/2005 22:31:37
Why would you get ships back for lag kills?
Its something that happens to all of us.
Not trying to be funny but its the game mate. If you warp to a gate where a lot of people are camping you get locked and popped and killed before your client loads a lot of the time. Thats the current state of gankaggedon insta-lock warfare for you. I bet every poor carebear hauler gets popped like that doesn't petition. Why should it be different for pvp corps?
Uh, if you warp to a gate and your client doesn't load before you pop, you deserve to be get your stuff back. I don't see how a logical argument can prove otherwise.
AFAIK, there is no warning popup that says "warning, you are warping to a gate where your client won't load; you will die and have no chance of defending yourself, continue warp?".
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Khouri
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Posted - 2005.03.29 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Khouri on 29/03/2005 01:20:50
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/03/2005 22:31:37
Why would you get ships back for lag kills?
Its something that happens to all of us.
Not trying to be funny but its the game mate. If you warp to a gate where a lot of people are camping you get locked and popped and killed before your client loads a lot of the time. Thats the current state of gankaggedon insta-lock warfare for you. I bet every poor carebear hauler gets popped like that doesn't petition. Why should it be different for pvp corps?
Uh, if you warp to a gate and your client doesn't load before you pop, you deserve to be get your stuff back. I don't see how a logical argument can prove otherwise.
AFAIK, there is no warning popup that says "warning, you are warping to a gate where your client won't load; you will die and have no chance of defending yourself, continue warp?".
Problem there is, those with lower end machines "lag" more than those with higher end, sometimes its not always server side, sometimes its due to your low end computer that you fail to loadup faster than you get pwned in a largish fleet battle.
Theres no way for a GM to be able to tell if your client failed to loadup or not, so how can a GM reimburse you for you not loading up in time before you pop?
Only way a GM can is if it was indeed 100% server side, i.e. server node crash or something similar.
So erm, what was that about no logical argument provin otherwise?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.29 01:32:00 -
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given the resources eve takes up and your average hardware, I would say your own computer comes last in the line of lag causing priority. Lets face it, it could be your own connection to the internet and route to eve server, ok but that would be a localised problem, its more likely given the health status of TQ (very sick) and the widespread complaints of lag that its the server or in otherwords its CCP's problem.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.29 01:43:00 -
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I've been involved in plenty of engagements in systems such as Yulai and especially Rens (which is a nightmare), and never had any major lag issues.
Infact i always had more problems with 0.0 gankfleet lag, though fine since i upgraded my PC ;)
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.29 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
given the resources eve takes up and your average hardware, I would say your own computer comes last in the line of lag causing priority. Lets face it, it could be your own connection to the internet and route to eve server, ok but that would be a localised problem, its more likely given the health status of TQ (very sick) and the widespread complaints of lag that its the server or in otherwords its CCP's problem.
Graphics lag is, has been and will continue to be a MAJOR source of client side lag.
When you can warp to a gate in a system and the gate loads immediately, with nothing around other than standard structures, and then you warp to another gate in the same system that has lots of ships in it and ur fps goes from 20 or 30 to 2 or 3 then you KNOW that it's display lag.
Once people then start shooting at each other then server lag increases, but this is dwarfed by DISPLAY lag.
Now, CCP can say that it's not "display" related, but pretty much everyone I know and play the game with agree that those hi-def graphics models do NOT need to be rendered so far away. Nor do we need missiles and drones to be rendered at all, the icons are fine.
Wait, was this another request for a combat view that completely minimises client side graphical representation?
Oh yes.
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Karoth Tyu
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:01:00 -
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Use scouts. If the system lag is bad, don't engage there. Problem solved.
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Taffun
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Posted - 2005.03.29 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Taffun on 29/03/2005 02:13:39
I would dare say much of the lag has to do with some poor decisions made during the implementation of the server and network client code used for the game client.
I'm however interested in wether or not people do actually get ships back due to lag because I had an incredibly severe case one time where I warped into a battle already under way and was inundated with connection exception popups. Needless to say, I had to end task on the client only to come back in a pod. Very frustrating indeed.
EDIT: As stated above, it's also obvious that some poor decisions were made with regards to model rendering as well. Maybe allow us to choose which updates to receive? (i.e.: I don't necessarilly want to know who's shooting a ship I'm not currently targetting)
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Shamad Conde on 29/03/2005 03:43:14
Let's petition ships we lost and claim the reason we lost them was lag.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.29 03:41:00 -
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Quote:
Uh, if you warp to a gate and your client doesn't load before you pop, you deserve to be get your stuff back. I don't see how a logical argument can prove otherwise.
AFAIK, there is no warning popup that says "warning, you are warping to a gate where your client won't load; you will die and have no chance of defending yourself, continue warp?".
Ummm I've been in fleet battles where our fleet warps to the other fleet and the client doesn't load for 3-4 minutes. Dozens of people are dead before they load. Podded too. Are those all petitionable? I think it makes a bad precident if lag in general play is a petitionable thing. Of course there shouldn't be lag, but the answer is really to ask for the graphic lite interface described above as part of the normal selectable client.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.29 04:02:00 -
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Lag is worse up north, oh yes.
We had a small force moving towards Jita earlier and got a clear message from our scout that lag was very bad, and fighting should be avoided.
Fighting in systems like Yulai or Rens is often troublesome, if not horrible, and lag is a major factor you just have to take into consideration. We do most of our fighting in Empire, and lag control is second nature to all our commanders.
System feels laggy, get your fleet to a safe.
Lucky us the Amarr Empire isnt as densely populated as the northern parts, I rarely experience unacceptable lag in and around Amarr (some parts of the Imperial Province of Minmatar are ofc the exception to the rule)!
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Sheriff Justice
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Posted - 2005.03.29 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Karoth Tyu
Use scouts. If the system lag is bad, don't engage there. Problem solved.
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.03.29 04:43:00 -
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omg theres lag in EVE?
Say it aint so!
Suggestions for curing lag in EVE:
1) Stay away from MASS gang. Complaints of lag are directly related to KIA getting WTFPWNed by MASS.
2) Give me jour stuff.
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Tahreem
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Posted - 2005.03.29 04:44:00 -
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I was lagging in large engagements aswell..
BUT upgraded my pc to the top and took a new internet provider..
And i was astonished when we were countering G - alliance sunday night at a attack in d7..
200+ in local, when engaging lag was quite OK (took some time for my guns to activate and locking wasn't always doing what it supposed to be)
SO maybe instead of what ccp says in it's player guide or whatever..
FOR larger engagements (higher traffic) systems you need a "descent" pc AND "descent" internet connection..
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.29 05:54:00 -
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Seeing as I play on dialup I can claim all my losses as lag induced. Thanks KIA.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2005.03.29 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: TRIGGER
1. there was no lag
2. u got pwned masterfully
3. i lost a poc due to ctd but there ya go
6. can u pls undock
8. i cant count
21b. spring rolls (2)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.03.29 07:35:00 -
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The reason Empire is more laggy is precisely because of all the wars going on and because it's rewarding to be in Empire - a lot of systems have a lot of people in them. This makes pvp'ers move through those systems a lot.
A 50 vs 50 fleet engagement with FoE in Nalvula (or maybe it was Jan) wasn't particularly laggy to me but warping to the Kemerk gate in Niyabanien while it's camped by 3 MC and with 3 or 4 neutrals at the gate was much laggier.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.29 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Knife
ffs he is trying to have a simple discussion about how bad lag is and half of u are so damn immature u can't even do that
No - he's whining about gotting OMGWTFPWNed by MASS... 
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.03.29 11:04:00 -
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For the record KIA guys, this is how LOTS of empire wars go.
XETIC had a nasty run in with CONCORDOKKEN a few days ago when 3 war targets jumped into Yulai, blinking shiny red war target, but the war ended 10 minutes before that and so they weren't the legitimate targets the overview said.
5 battleships downed there. Petition answers were: "not our fault, your overview is broken" which means that CCP created faulty overviews which are our faults
The lag can spike badly and with the recent server troubles the weekend was pretty bad.
Welcome to Empire, it's a lot different from 0.0, couple gang members nearly shot each other and risked getting CONCORDOKKENED because they forgot they were in Empire where only corp mates can shoot each other.
So yes, targeting lag, module lag etc is more of a problem in Empire (not a few ships been lost to overview deciding you werent trying to target that hostile but the stargate) so you need to ALWAYS double check the target you are about to shoot.
Empire doesn't work for the 0.0 fighter who trusts his instincts, thats how you get CONCORDOKKENED.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.03.29 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
No - he's whining about gotting OMGWTFPWNed by MASS...
Losing 4 battleships to 2 isn't OMGWTFPWNed by MASS. Sure it wasn't a victory, it was a loss in that engagment, but it certainly wasn't OMGWTFPWNed But thanks for you attempt to stir up a nice flame fest, I'm sure the mods will appreciate having to edit/delete posts that might follow this.
I wasn't at the fight and can't comment on lag or not. But I have been in many fleet battles where one side (and its not always the losing side before people jump on this :P) have complained of lag/ctd's and auto warp aways when their client becomes unresponsive for a short time, whilst the other side has had negligable lag.
What is weird about these situations is that it is not just those with low end computers that see the "lag". Sometimes you get the uber high end pc users with it, whilst the low end guys are saying "its fine, modules are a little slow to activate but nothing major".
Other times its the reverse. Which makes you wonder if it really is "display" induced since you would imagine the low end machines would always struggle if the high end machines were struggling.
Also it makes you wonder if server side lag is to blame either, since you would expect both sides to equally experience the lag. I remember this happening in curse when we were warping into a gate as stain jumped in. Stain experienced no lag, we had horrendous lag, I didn't load for over 5minutes, all I saw was an empty gate, at which time I heard the fleet commander tell everyone who could to safespot. I just logged, been unable to opperate my ship at all.
I think there is a lot more to this problem than simply
1) Your pc's are not good enough to handle the display load
2) The servers arn't good enough to handle the system load.
There must be more to it, even if its a bug in the network code that only occurs after some weird sequence of events. I've no idea. But whatever it is, I know it spoils what can be very entertaining fights.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.29 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: KIAHicks
Losing 4 battleships to 2 isn't OMGWTFPWNed by MASS.
I probably shouldn't be posting here, and this is not meant as a flame. MASS records all kills, both ship and pod, on both sides. We try to keep this as accurate as possible as well.
Keeping that in mind, I think most people will agree that now-a-days its not really usefull to simply talk about BS kills. With the cost of even Interceptors, not to mention AFs and HACs, or T2 weapons and mods its worthwhile recording all kills.
So. Overall numbers from what I can see on our killboard is 22 kills versus 7 losses, last night from 20:50 forward. That includes the 4 BS kills. I don't see more than 1 BS loss on our side, but I think one of our pilots has delayed entering their loss. We'll get that sorted asap. 
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2005.03.29 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mauxir on 29/03/2005 11:57:01
If we are nitpicking then so be it. Its 5 BS kills not 4.
We lost 2 BS.
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Swadey
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Posted - 2005.03.29 11:59:00 -
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Mahhy,s right with the count, I'm supprised that u had lag as we was not set for a fleet battle so had very limited hitters and no drones deployed. Mind u if we was then there would have been a hell of a mess.
Also the arrival of looters dashing close to the ships in combat for the dropped cans just adds to the frustration.
Anyways good fight
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:06:00 -
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I like u EddZ, but if u get ur ships back i wont be too happy....
lag is the biggest killer in this game, no1 would ever get podded if it wasnt for the lag.... iv lost count of the ammount of times my modules dont activate in fleet fights resulting in my ship going down.
yeah, lag is bad... but no game out there can cope with many ppl in the one area at the same time without slowdown ..
nonni/niya/yulai are prob the worst systems, avoid them at all costs in fleet fights.
d solo.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 29/03/2005 12:10:59
I agree, but even taking into account frigs, the battle was not a walk over by any means. A walkover in my book is when you engage a fleet, make 3+ bs kills, kill off a ton of their support craft and leave the battle with 0 losses (including 0 frigate losses).
From our board I see 12 frig losses and 4 bs losses vs 5 frig losses and 2 bs losses (not counting poddings). Feel free to check it out and let us know if someone hasn't posted their loss yet.
From our killboard its pretty clear you destroyed the majority of our frig support craft. But this thread isn't about the who won the engagment, which going on kills alone would be mass in this case. Its about the lag suffered in empire wars.
Were trying our best to avoid discussions of who won what in what battle over the last few weeks/month. Having seen the flame fests that occur from such discussions in our previous alliances.
So with that, can we bring the discussion back onto the topic of lag :) Not that I think it will change anything, but then been quiet about it won't help either.
PS If we lost 5 bs's can you please let me know the names as I only see 4 bs losses on our board from the nonni system during that battle time.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Random
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:09:00 -
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Ok mass ppl lets ceap this about lagg not ship losses, we lost some they lost some, they clame that they had lagg (and im not objecting) and we didnt suffer from to much lagg.
We all agree that lagg needs to be fixed in this game.
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Random
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: KIAHicks
Edited by: KIAHicks on 29/03/2005 12:10:59
I agree, but even taking into account frigs, the battle was not a walk over by any means. A walkover in my book is when you engage a fleet, make 3+ bs kills, kill off a ton of their support craft and leave the battle with 0 losses (including 0 frigate losses).
From our board I see 12 frig losses and 4 bs losses vs 5 frig losses and 2 bs losses (not counting poddings). Feel free to check it out and let us know if someone hasn't posted their loss yet.
From our killboard its pretty clear you destroyed the majority of our frig support craft. But this thread isn't about the who won the engagment, which going on kills alone would be mass in this case. Its about the lag suffered in empire wars.
Were trying our best to avoid discussions of who won what in what battle over the last few weeks/month. Having seen the flame fests that occur from such discussions in our previous alliances.
So with that, can we bring the discussion back onto the topic of lag :) Not that I think it will change anything, but then been quiet about it won't help either.
PS If we lost 5 bs's can you please let me know the names as I only see 4 bs losses on our board from the nonni system during that battle time.
2005.03.28 21:01:00
Victim: Daykin Naib
Corporation: KIA Corp
Destroyed Type: Armageddon
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
2005.03.28 20:59:00
Victim: DarthJosh
Corporation: KIA Corp
Destroyed Type: Armageddon
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
2005.03.28 20:58:00
Victim: steve shaw
Corporation: KIA Corp
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
2005.03.28 20:55:00
Victim: Jatonix
Corporation: KIA Corp
Destroyed Type: Tempest
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
2005.03.28 20:52:00
Victim: Daykin Naib
Corporation: KIA Corp
Destroyed Type: Armageddon
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
And we lost only trigger in the fight, dark atari was takend down in his scorp an hour befor the fight, but like i said above lets try to be on topic here
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:23:00 -
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Dark atari was taking down at 20:30, the first kia loss was at 20:49, I just presumed it was part of the same battle with them both been in the same system.
Anyhow, looks like DarthJosh hasn't posted his mail before logging off. /me breaks out the whip :)
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:26:00 -
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actually KIA... u could be rite... u got beat of the guys from MASS... the only logical reason to get beat from guys like that are massive CTDs, id petition.
d solo.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
actually KIA... u could be rite... u got beat of the guys from MASS... the only logical reason to get beat from guys like that are massive CTDs, id petition.
d solo.
or should that be 
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Cyleth
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:36:00 -
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Random or whoever got the DarthJosh's killmail.
Could you kindly eve-mail it to me.
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Random
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: KIAHicks
Originally by: darth solo
actually KIA... u could be rite... u got beat of the guys from MASS... the only logical reason to get beat from guys like that are massive CTDs, id petition.
d solo.
or should that be
No i think D solo is trying to imply that we are lousy pvp'ers and we only kill ships when they CTD. But im not shure. Comunicating is not D solo's strong side.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
u got beat of the guys from MASS...
There's a Freudian slip for the books. Your hostility veiling your urge to service MASS 'members' seems quite obvious in light of this though
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Posted - 2005.03.29 13:32:00 -
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There is a big differance to who sufferd what lag on this occation we jumped in on a few of your pilots onlys secounds b4 your main fleet arrived. as a point to help my machine cope with the lag i allways turn off everything that is not essential for the exspected engaugment.. overveiw ajusted, full screen,chat screens closed ect ect this does sem to help.
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Dabone
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Posted - 2005.03.29 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Tonight saw a major engagement with one of our enemies in Nonni.
We have had Fleet engagements a LOT this week, with very little trouble, but not in a big system like Nonni.
Each of the previous engagements have been fine, but tonights was ridiculously bad.
My question is, why do Nonni and Jita etc etc not have a more powerful/dedicated server?
We lost a lot of ships tonight, and have petitioned them all, we will/have already recieve them all back I am sure, just as our enemies have also, but if empire wars are to be fun, the major trade systems really do need some loving.
Eddz man, don't fight in Nonni... I'm sure others have replied to that point already (I didn't read all responses).
Nonni, Jita, etc... good for ganks, not for fleet fights.
Sorry for the lost ships mate, but you are experienced and should know better. As much as I respect your desire for PvP, you shouldn't get any ships replaced by petition.
Fight smarter, not harder :-)
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Posted - 2005.03.29 13:54:00 -
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Niyabainen is lag hell at the moment. As a rule, we try not to engage in there at all. Everywhere else is pretty acceptable for us. Notably we've had some largish fights in Kemerk and Yulai recently with little lag.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 14:21:00 -
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For the love of god.
It Is He! Save Me!
Quit it please!
Good Fight
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Posted - 2005.03.29 16:37:00 -
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The really fun part about empire is solo-fighting and getting locked by 5 random neutrals as you engage hostiles.
It's great fun, honest.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 17:01:00 -
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You should try D7-ZAC. Tried shooting the station and got 1 frame / minute. No drones, no missiles.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 17:25:17
We had a couple of pilots that couldn't see ships and ended up in cloning stations before screens had even loaded. Whether that would have adjusted the outcome of the battle, who knows. We were pretty poorly organised last night, and dived in wanting a fight, rather than carefully planning an engagement which turned out to be a big mistake. You won fair game. I look forward to more battles. I don't see anywhere where we suggest the lag is the cause for our loss, only Trigger and the like shouting OMG WTFPWNED which if helps you feel better about yourselves then go ahead and carry on.
Empire is still a learning curve for us, and so far we've lost like 5 bs to concord due to overview being borked and the like. We're still adapting to our new way of life atm, if you want to carry on the childish talk, then go ahead, we don't care. We look forward to more fights and hopefully you can keep them a bit friendlier, smack talking garbage can stay in the north thank you very much.
The only ship losses that have been petitioned are the ones who's screens totally froze for like ever, not every loss. I think maybe 2/3 pilots suffered this. What the reason was I don't know. I entered the fight after heading to nonni in a shuttle and swapping it for a couple of throw away Tristans which your assault frigs ate for breakfast in seconds, and I didn't suffer too much lag at all.
So anyway, GF mass it was fun. I dunno why EddZ said we've petioned all the ships, that's rubbish. It's just the ones that seemed to get this horrible lag spike. I think he was on drugs when he posted.
I look forward to more fights, it's nice to have an opponent worth fighting.
Keep it friendly guys.
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Posted - 2005.03.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: KIAInkZ
I don't see anywhere where we suggest the lag is the cause for our loss, only Trigger and the like shouting OMG WTFPWNED which if helps you feel better about yourselves then go ahead and carry on.
I said that - not Trigger.
Eddz came on and whined. Eddz said he's petitioning all the losses. Eddz made you all look baad mmkay?
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We look forward to more fights and hopefully you can keep them a bit friendlier, smack talking garbage can stay in the north thank you very much.
Rich man - really rich...
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The only ship losses that have been petitioned are the ones who's screens totally froze for like ever, not every loss. I think maybe 2/3 pilots suffered this.
So - petitioning for lag because your PC rig sucks is good Merc practise now? Noted...
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I dunno why EddZ said we've petioned all the ships, that's rubbish. It's just the ones that seemed to get this horrible lag spike. I think he was on drugs when he posted.
Nice attempt at a cover - but it's too late. Everyone already saw the whiney "BuHu - we had lag - Mass beat us - buhu!"
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Keep it friendly guys.
Stop Eddz posting whiney ****e, stop petitioning and take your losses on the chin and we might manage that...
Mercs my arse... Pffft!
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Posted - 2005.03.29 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.29 18:43:00 -
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Didnt you guys learned anything yet ?
If you look at a black painted wall JF will sue you coz its white according to them .
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Posted - 2005.03.29 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 29/03/2005 18:49:37
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
Nah - just had enough KIA-DetritusÖ shovelled onto the forums for one day.
You're not worthy of hatred, don't get ideas above your station dear boy...
Now if you can just start acting like real mercs we'd be getting somewhere.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:52:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 29/03/2005 18:49:37
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
Nah - just had enough KIA-DetritusÖ shovelled onto the forums for one day.
You're not worthy of hatred, don't get ideas above your station dear boy...
Now if you can just start acting like real mercs we'd be getting somewhere.
you could be a duplicate of Jade tbh
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Omniscience
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:56:00 -
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Keep this clean, respectful and on-topic, please. We are watching. And as a reminder, the topic of the thread was empire lag in battles, not who got the most kills to brag about.
This has been a friendly CRC Service Announcement. Thankyou. 
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.29 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 29/03/2005 18:49:37
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
Nah - just had enough KIA-DetritusÖ shovelled onto the forums for one day.
You're not worthy of hatred, don't get ideas above your station dear boy...
Now if you can just start acting like real mercs we'd be getting somewhere.
you could be a duplicate of Jade tbh
i thought you knew already that we are all duplicates of jade
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: The Clash
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 29/03/2005 18:49:37
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
Nah - just had enough KIA-DetritusÖ shovelled onto the forums for one day.
You're not worthy of hatred, don't get ideas above your station dear boy...
Now if you can just start acting like real mercs we'd be getting somewhere.
you could be a duplicate of Jade tbh
i thought you knew already that we are all duplicates of jade
nah but some replies come close to it tbh , good thing for ye guy sits so easy to hide behind a "character" , its ofc admirable to keep up teh RP part but some sound really sore and dont seem to understand rona/kia aint , its just move on ...
i think i once said this to Jade .. you guys would be great to lit up teh RP part of Eve but leave the bitterness/arrogance behind instead really RP it then and that you promote even more that part of the game
and no i dont have anything aginst RP'ing EvE imo its admirable that a corp keeps on workin on it etc altho 90 % (?) doesnt give a *** bout it
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Posted - 2005.03.30 02:15:00 -
[70]
Originally by: The Clash
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: The Clash
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 29/03/2005 18:49:37
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 29/03/2005 18:32:18
lol, oh the hatred
Nah - just had enough KIA-DetritusÖ shovelled onto the forums for one day.
You're not worthy of hatred, don't get ideas above your station dear boy...
Now if you can just start acting like real mercs we'd be getting somewhere.
you could be a duplicate of Jade tbh
i thought you knew already that we are all duplicates of jade
nah but some replies come close to it tbh , good thing for ye guy sits so easy to hide behind a "character" , its ofc admirable to keep up teh RP part but some sound really sore and dont seem to understand rona/kia aint , its just move on ...
i think i once said this to Jade .. you guys would be great to lit up teh RP part of Eve but leave the bitterness/arrogance behind instead really RP it then and that you promote even more that part of the game
and no i dont have anything aginst RP'ing EvE imo its admirable that a corp keeps on workin on it etc altho 90 % (?) doesnt give a *** bout it
So what does that have to do with lag in battles?
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Shellac Reiffer
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Posted - 2005.03.30 02:47:00 -
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With regards to lag in battles I am a bit confused having read this thread as to how it can affect one corp to a man while another reports little problem. I guess it can happen but what would be the circumstances? Also would this performance problem be recorded somewhere for verification as I am sure everyone will just petition every ship loss now be it right or wrong. Can Kia confirm if they were compensated in this instance?
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Kantar
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Posted - 2005.03.30 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
actually KIA... u could be rite... u got beat of the guys from MASS... the only logical reason to get beat from guys like that are massive CTDs, id petition.
d solo.
Lol darth you dont know what the lag is you need to undock first and get out the SS and when you got 4-1 superiority number warp on the enemy.
I guess that never happen to you.
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The Slavetrader
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Posted - 2005.03.30 15:22:00 -
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You could always join an alliance in 0.0 and fight out there, oh wait, you did that a few times already, and when the going got tough you ran for Yulai each and everytime
Empire has more lag, 10x the players, who would have thunk it
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.03.30 15:29:00 -
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So much hatred ;)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.03.30 19:03:00 -
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Well I got to page 2 and got bored of reading but I just thought I'd pop on and say that when I flew through the gate while the fight was going on I was lagging to hell. My ship kept rubber banding backwards and forwards and it took about 2 minutes to jump through the gate. I can quite smugly say that this wasn't being caused by a crappy machine at my end so I would guess that the other guys could have had trouble as well.
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Posted - 2005.03.30 20:40:00 -
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WhatÆs this? Jericho Fraction attempting to vilify an in-game foe? I'd never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes!
What? You can't be serious! Jericho Fraction's losses are far greater then their kills? I simply can't believe it, not the legendary warriors of Jericho Fraction.
What? Really? You don't say.
I must've missed the 'forum' qualifier when I was told. That definitely clears things up for me, thanks
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Posted - 2005.03.30 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Agitator Kline
WhatÆs this? Jericho Fraction attempting to vilify an in-game foe? I'd never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes!
What? You can't be serious! Jericho Fraction's losses are far greater then their kills? I simply can't believe it, not the legendary warriors of Jericho Fraction.
What? Really? You don't say.
I must've missed the 'forum' qualifier when I was told. That definitely clears things up for me, thanks
best post ever.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.30 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
best post ever.
*yawns* Hmm.. wha.. ? Mmmm.. oh.. Sad alt lewsers 4tw you mean?
Yeah - all the way..
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Posted - 2005.03.30 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 30/03/2005 22:18:31
Give 'em a break they are completely "pwning" us on the "threads posted about the war" total. (3-nil KIA)
And anyway. I haven't seen any KIA in space cos I've not got the slightest interest in "fighting" them. I'm hoping if I close my eyes they'll go away tbh.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.31 00:16:00 -
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I lost 40 ships to KIA in one day. While I was only about to drop one of thier shields down to 90% because they all barrel rolled out of the way of my torpedos all the time.
And then one of thier frigates killed my thorax in 5 shots because they all have thier combat skills to lvl 5 so that means they are really really really good.
I really wish they would stop hunting me becuase they seem to be where ever I am all the time. Each time i leave a station I get a target lock on me all the time.
And thing some how in highly populated systems when I find one of KIA through thier cloaks (Cus they got that lvl 5 too) they seem to have no lag and kills me before i can even get a lock.
so aside from them going after the weakest targets possible for the most attention, thier fetish for scowling and flipping a middle finger in photograps, and thier members hate of Jericho because we dont play quake.
They are the best and I am the worst, they are faster and i am slower. They are the mostest professional corp out ther that claims to be a mercenary operation. Which is kinda strange becuase if you wanted to be a mercenary operation you would need to be hired by someone which is really strange because they are to good to be hired by anyone and and they just fight and say they are hired so they can look like a mercenary operation.
So if you want some really really really good mercenary fighters call KIA. They kill battleships with bantams.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.31 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
I lost 40 ships to KIA in one day. While I was only about to drop one of thier shields down to 90% because they all barrel rolled out of the way of my torpedos all the time.
And then one of thier frigates killed my thorax in 5 shots because they all have thier combat skills to lvl 5 so that means they are really really really good.
I really wish they would stop hunting me becuase they seem to be where ever I am all the time. Each time i leave a station I get a target lock on me all the time.
And thing some how in highly populated systems when I find one of KIA through thier cloaks (Cus they got that lvl 5 too) they seem to have no lag and kills me before i can even get a lock.
so aside from them going after the weakest targets possible for the most attention, thier fetish for scowling and flipping a middle finger in photograps, and thier members hate of Jericho because we dont play quake.
They are the best and I am the worst, they are faster and i am slower. They are the mostest professional corp out ther that claims to be a mercenary operation. Which is kinda strange becuase if you wanted to be a mercenary operation you would need to be hired by someone which is really strange because they are to good to be hired by anyone and and they just fight and say they are hired so they can look like a mercenary operation.
So if you want some really really really good mercenary fighters call KIA. They kill battleships with bantams.
omg bitter arent you
i still have to meet the first day KIA pilots actually carry any hate tbh on the other hand Jericho ....
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Posted - 2005.03.31 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
omg bitter arent you
i still have to meet the first day KIA pilots actually carry any hate tbh on the other hand Jericho ....
Oh what like KIAGumpy? Flying around X-7OMU and getting spanked by our noobs, and then smacking in local. That event predated the reformation of KIA corp by a week or two.
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Posted - 2005.03.31 03:50:00 -
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Oh, sweet Jesus...
Yep, lag can be bad. Especially in highway systems. Double especially in fleet engagements. That's probably why I spend most of my combat time solo... Fleet engagements can be fun, but it gets frustrating when you lose ships to lag.
There. Now back to our regularly scheduled hatefest.
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Posted - 2005.03.31 07:25:00 -
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I dont like jf and i espec dont like lord plush.
Were you even there ?
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
i still have to meet the first day KIA pilots actually carry any hate tbh on the other hand Jericho ....
Actually BNC and KIA have an agreement that all our pilots genuinely hate each other... think DG and Eddz agreed that one in London over beers
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:26:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: The Clash
i still have to meet the first day KIA pilots actually carry any hate tbh on the other hand Jericho ....
Actually BNC and KIA have an agreement that all our pilots genuinely hate each other... think DG and Eddz agreed that one in London over beers
Thats coz KIA pwnd you guys in drinkin and next month it will teh same :P
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
Thats coz KIA pwnd you guys in drinkin and next month it will teh same :P
Onoes, let's not start that otherwise there's gauranteed police-style-arresting-biziness of the drunk and disorderly nature gonna occur in that London town as two groups of drunk loonies try to out do each other!
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:44:00 -
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I don't know the specifics of this particular incident, but in general lag seems to go through phases, and over the last couple of weeks it's been at it's worst for the last three months or so. It's nowhere near as bad as the criminal flagging days though, and fighting is still just about possible.
Also, lag generally seems to be worse for me if I'm warping into a fight rather than having my opponent warp to me.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: KIAGumpy
I dont like jf and i espec dont like lord plush.
Were you even there ?
MMmm my friends please dont tell me KIA doesnt have any ill-will towards us. Hell I even tried to talk to Gumpy to figure out why exactly he is so one tracked ****ed off with us and he ignored me for saying "Hello".
And everytime we have tried to talk to KIA..it was the simalar responses between the members setting us on ignore or "**** you****s". So dont give me that "Oh we dont hate anyone." the type of players you all got have repeatedly painted a bad picture.
But go ahead..continue with your little "fun"
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 31/03/2005 10:15:37
We've all got to live in the same virtual universe, and if KIA can keep the smack and arguments to a minimum, then I would expect a corp like Jericho to do the same. All I'm seeing is a lot of baiting and OOC flaming. If you experience any smack from our members, simply report it to EddZ and they'll get their asses kicked.
Now can I respectfully request this stops now, because the amount of OOC crap being thrown around at the moment is pathetic. We've entered this contract with an open mind, and have respectfully tried to keep it IC and civil in line with your current in game actions and story, now please try and attempt to do the same.
If you have issues with our actions in game, then I respectfully request you keep these IC in the IG.
As for BNC, we're going to do UBERBEERBREATHDAMAGE to them next time we meet
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:52:00 -
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And everytime we have tried to talk to KIA..it was the simalar responses between the members setting us on ignore or "**** you****s".
Well you should have been ignored as that is what our standing orders are for any corp/alliance we are in conflict with. If anyone has given you smack tell eddz ingame and they'll be in trouble 
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Thats coz KIA pwnd you guys in drinkin and next month it will teh same :P
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Onoes, let's not start that otherwise there's gauranteed police-style-arresting-biziness of the drunk and disorderly nature gonna occur in that London town as two groups of drunk loonies try to out do each other!
Does this mean you're coming to this one instead of wussing out with a girlie excuse? 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 31/03/2005 11:06:31
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Now can I respectfully request this stops now, because the amount of OOC crap being thrown around at the moment is pathetic. We've entered this contract with an open mind, and have respectfully tried to keep it IC and civil in line with your current in game actions and story, now please try and attempt to do the same.
Its an OOC forum Its also supposed to be a thread on an OOC topic, since "lag" doesn't exist IC...
Regardless... yah its friggin awful lately. Just jumping around through gates is starting to annoy me. Jumping into Yulai or Nonni is agonizing.
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:52:00 -
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Due to an unfortunatly timed holiday I've not actually been present at any of the combat discussed here. I've actually been reduced to the sterotypical forum warrior that is associated with JF.
Lag has to be expected in fleet battles, and if you start moaning about it you will always be moaning about it. I have a vision of CCP managing to maintain a system with 200 ships battling it out without any lag. But if that comes around you can almost bet on someone complaining about not being able to bring 300 ships to a fight.
Now with response to the 'hatred' being banded around here I would suggest that if you wish to avoid this you not post in Corp Discussion about lag. If that's not asking for trouble I don't know what is. I thought you would have grown to understand this in the GNW days.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: KIAInkZ
Now can I respectfully request this stops now, because the amount of OOC crap being thrown around at the moment is pathetic. We've entered this contract with an open mind, and have respectfully tried to keep it IC and civil in line with your current in game actions and story, now please try and attempt to do the same.
I have no problem with you OOC. How ever my character has a problem with you, your friends and your entire ex-alliance. He also has problems with pretty much every other alliance, and also with the five empires. I make IC comments in pretty much every section of these boards where it relates to Jericho or Star Fraction.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.03.31 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dai'mon
Does this mean you're coming to this one instead of wussing out with a girlie excuse?
lol I thought 4500 miles was a pretty good excuse!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Auman
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Posted - 2005.03.31 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Auman on 31/03/2005 15:42:56
Blacklight mate, it's a terrible excuse and you know it
You should have cancelled your trip for that **** up, leaving your poor pilots to get outblobbed by us! What sort of leadership is that
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