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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:09:00 -
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Hello,
An alt of mine was just bumped outside HEK in an orca. If i hadnt been paying attention i would have been outside dock range soon enough and most likely popped by wartargets. This orca even had Reinforced Bulkheads.
Anyway. It seems that alot of miners are having an issue with bumping, but i think its a viable tactic. If i hadnt payed attention then with my orca i probably would have lost it. There were no WT's around at the time, but they would have shown up, webbed and scrammed me the second they see im outside dock range. Anyway, kudos to them for that, these kinds of tactics only make EVE a more interesting place. Anyway. There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:12:00 -
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Do you actually believe there shouldnt be a way to defend against it? A module, or a skill of some sort, that at least reduces the speed at which you get bumped away |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:17:00 -
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How can you defend against it? |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:18:00 -
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Im sorry but do you know how fast an orca moves? |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:21:00 -
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What i had in mind was a module that would reduce your vulnerability to bumping. Its not going to be the end of bumping |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:23:00 -
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I dont care how its done, but you should have the option of sacrificing tank or whatever else and put a module that reduces your vulnerabilty to bumping |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:57:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Souisa wrote:How can you defend against it? If you're relying on the Grandmaster of Bump to teach you how to avoid bumps, you may as well surrender and join the New Order now.
I was just curious if there was a way to defend against it |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 04:19:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Souisa wrote:Hello,
An alt of mine was just bumped outside HEK in an orca. If i hadnt been paying attention i would have been outside dock range soon enough and most likely popped by wartargets. This orca even had Reinforced Bulkheads.
Anyway. It seems that alot of miners are having an issue with bumping, but i think its a viable tactic. If i hadnt payed attention then with my orca i probably would have lost it. There were no WT's around at the time, but they would have shown up, webbed and scrammed me the second they see im outside dock range. Anyway, kudos to them for that, these kinds of tactics only make EVE a more interesting place. Anyway. There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor. You undocked in an Orca while at war? Trust me son, your problems are much more severe than worrying about bumping.
Calculated risk
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I suggest that the module will fit into a low-slot because thats where armor and other hull related stuff seems to go. It will also be a minor nerf to miners as they have to sacrifice a mining optimization laser or w/e. A bonus for miners at least is they can keep their shield tank more or less intact, because shield tanks usually revolve around med slots. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 04:47:00 -
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Nevermind goddamn trolls :) |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 04:50:00 -
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More trolls. |
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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:17:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Ballast tank: an item that has very high weight/volume ratio.
When put in your cargo hold it effects the weight of your ship, reducing the effect from bumping, but also your ships agility.
First of all im not sure Ballast exists in space. And wouldnt the bumpers be able to take advantage of it, effectually canceling out the effect |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:43:00 -
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Even if you werent afk bumping is considered griefing from the victims perspective, there should be a way to defend against it. For example a module that fits into a low slot that reduces your vulnerability to bumping |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:46:00 -
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Well clearly there is a problem and clearly there is no defence against it, i only think it would be reasnoable not to nerf bumping or remove it from the game, but to give players a choice to "fit against it" |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:04:00 -
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I dont have anything against james or anyone else that decided to bump or use the game mechanics in a certain way. But i do believe there is a problem, or an unfair advantage, and that people should be able to fit against it |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:11:00 -
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MIrple wrote:Make it a low slot mod. Make it use heavy water. Take up more of that cargo space on Miners And I would be all for it.
I agree it should be a low slot, however having it require fuel other than cap is crossing a boundary thats not neccesary imo. It overcomplicates things. Besides Barges at least have seperate ore and cargo holds now |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 12:36:00 -
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I never understood the point of moving the thread. General Discussion is full of meaningless topics thats only about giving likes or useless opinions about avatars. You should clean general discussion up first before moving topics with actual game related content |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 13:38:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:The problem with the terrible "anchor" suggestion is that there is absolutely no downside for the carebears. Comparing it to siege/triage modules is dishonest, as the ships that use those modules can only operate in areas in which they can freely be attacked, and as such being stuck in one spot for a fixed period of time is an actual risk. Anchoring yourself in safe space has no drawback. I propose slashing defenses and or mining yield by 50% while anchored.
That sounds fair - you don't have to actively manage your range or avoid bumpers, but the compromise is reduced survivability or isk
I dont know how you think the anchor is going to work. But if you make it a module, it will have a drawback. Because if you fit it, you wont be able to fit something else in its place. If you make it a low slot, miners will have to sacrifice a mining laser upgrade to fit it. If you make it require cap, depending on how much, they will have trouble cycling their miners if they keep it active all the time o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:09:00 -
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Hi :)
Like what o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:12:00 -
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What the hell is your problem o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:34:00 -
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Yea like i said it will not be the end of bumping, saying it isnt unbalanced is ignoring the obvious tho o/ |
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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:45:00 -
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Have you seen a miner been bumped? Have you tried it? :)
Its basically griefing because there is no counter-measure o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:54:00 -
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Why do you think they dont consider it griefing? Because they cant do anything about it anyway, its just the same with scams. Reason they dont do anything is because they have better things to do than remimburse and investigate scams. Still means scamming is scamming, and miner bumping is griefing.
However, they could make a module, a anchor of sorts that would allow miners to defend themselves and in turn end the droves of threads on the issue o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:03:00 -
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I must have a really bad imagination o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:09:00 -
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Kind of tough for someone on an internet forum arent you o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:13:00 -
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Well you are right in that the devs dont consider bumping griefing, but it is being used to grief o/ |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:23:00 -
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:) o/ |
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