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Usagi Yojim
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Posted - 2005.03.31 07:56:00 -
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Okay, I wish I knew this before. Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices.
Just having bought my Battlecruiser, I did some L2 drone missions and decided to equip a medium smart bomb I had looted. I heard they were good for Drones ... and they are.
Now, fast forward to L3 Angel Extravaganza. Some dude with a battleship was kind enough to help me. I orbit him at 500m and take care of the little stuff pestering him.
Well, you can imagine to my surprise that when the little stuff started getting in and the missles where flying, I activated my smart bomb.
I get the message that my security status has been lowered.
WTF? Then I get the message that Concord is trying to jam me, and a bunch of Concord ships start closing in on me.
Being a 30 day noob, I didnt' realize what was going on. So I warped out -- to station. Station guns open up on me and I'm toast. 3 seconds it took.
Not being familiar with this situation, I hop into my rupture and attempt to salvage my can. Oops, another 3 seconds and pffft 37m isk and weeks worth of rat hunting and mission running up in smoke.
Needless to say, GM's are cruel and unsympathetic.
Smart bombs are lame. Why do they allow me to hit my gang members. I mean torps proximity damage doesn't trigger concord or do they?
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:10:00 -
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That sucks.
P.S. Torps don't do proximity damage anymore. That was taken out a looooooooong time ago.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:17:00 -
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Join the club. Lost my 70m Ishtar few days back..
Should remember _not_ to go into 0.5+.
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:46:00 -
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They realy should be renamed Dumb bombs, they have less intelligence than a defender missile.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:59:00 -
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Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices.
It's partly because of dumb pilots that sbombs got nerfed... 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 31/03/2005 09:02:17
They can do damage to others because Eve is not about lowering the standard to the level of the lowest.
No flame intended, but Eve assumes you to be familiar with mechanics even when you are not or could not be based on your own experience level. Allowing for inexperience to dictate game mchanics would result in something the Dev's don't seem to want to implement. So they don't.
Only thing to do about it is to keep asking those questions to you corpmates just about everything you do.
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:08:00 -
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I think some Dev got a touch of nostalgia when they named the "Smart Bomb".
Anyone remember the SB in the old Defender game?
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:11:00 -
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I am afraid I have to agree with Rod here, consider it a 37m ISK lesson learnt. There are other ways of taking out drones, such as launchers or your own drones.
I made a mistake similar to yours once though, but I bombed a corp amtes drones (in a Badger). This was back ni the day where doing so would turn the drones hostile towards you. Almost lost the ship.
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51
no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back???  WTF ????
This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything....
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Liu Bei
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh
Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51
no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back??? WTF ????
This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything....
So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Yojim
Smart bombs are lame. Why do they allow me to hit my gang members. I mean torps proximity damage doesn't trigger concord or do they?
TORPS DONT DO PROXIMITY OR SPLASH DAMAGE. 
Im sorry but this is the fourth time today that I have seen this piece of untruth on the forums. Torp splash was removed from the game months before I started playing (September last year).
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Bei
Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh
Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51
no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back??? WTF ????
This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything....
So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here.
Maybe enough days to know that smartbombs shouldn't be used in empire? Or that torps don't do splash damage? Or the 15 min agression timer? You don't have to wait of course, you just need to pay **** loads of cash every so often. BTW if noobs get flamed for flying a Cruiser then no **** they'll get flamed for flying something bigger (duh).
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Bei
So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here.
Hey, I did not intend to flame anyone - I'm just saying, good news, Eve still requires experience and experiments. And yes, crap happens to any of us, I'm doing "noobish" dumb mistakes every and each day, and I love it 
I don't blame any new player for using a BC or even a BS, although I'm convinced he's wrong when doing so; and I'm just glad to see Eve's system still has a minimal learning curve.
"certified by me" ?!? I'm in no way the old vet who trolls all "noobs" for being younger and not having rights to anything... one more time, just happy to see Eve is not a game where you can just join, fly any ship during your first month and do anything you want: it would be really sad and boring if we didn't have to learn, day after day. AND btw NO, BS or even BC and T2 ships are not supposed to be used by all players, they're here for old, skilled, and specialized players - at least, this is how I understand Eve 
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 31/03/2005 12:06:36
Originally by: Usagi Yojim
Needless to say, GM's are cruel and unsympathetic.
No, cruel and unsympathetic would be denying you a valid reimbursal. You just plain got your yourself blown up and it was all perfectly within the rules. The GMs can't give you back anything you lost due to ignorance, only to a valid bug.
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:21:00 -
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interesting. i remember that a lot of new peolple had a small minus sec standing.
reson was a small incident involving a SB and station/gate. for a short while that was the no.1 killer of new players..
Ahhh the good old days. i even heard a rumor that u risked being killed for only targeting stations and gates. (in EvE first weeks of course) |
Joan Smith
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:24:00 -
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for FFS dont use smart bomb in empire!!!
here my saying
"smart bomb in empire isnt smart AT ALL"
remmber that as joan saying and u wont get ganked 
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:37:00 -
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Im sorry for you but... what can one say.
As for the smartbombs name, a better one would be "proximity bomb" as it causes a shockwave of damage that suposedly hits everything within a certain range.
My use of them has never caused me to call down concord on my ass but I have killed off quite a few of my own drones with smartbombs... for one or other reason.
My favorite one thus far was I forgot I had SB on autorepeat and thus dested 6 heavy drones after the fight was over :)
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:44:00 -
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Well, the only thing really smart about a smartbomb is that it lets off a massive explosion, centered on your location, but which doesn't damage you. That's what's smart about it - it doesn't kill it's user.
Of course, it's also just like any other tool. No-matter how clever you make the tool, you'll always rely on the operator being smart enough to make appropriate use of it.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:51:00 -
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To the OP, don't feel to bad. Every vet. has been concorded at least once by accident.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2005.03.31 13:23:00 -
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I'll never forget Mannie the malfunctioning Mammoth. Me and Mannie were killin some time, waiting for something pretty to come on tv, indy mining in .7 space. (dont ask why)
Anyway, some rats came in.. no problem. I got a mining laser and a smartbomb. I'm good for a .7 system. There we are, me and Mannie. BLowing the hell out of these little guys...
Out of the blue, a BS pilot warps in.. right on top of me.. while the smartbomb is going off.
Mannie didn't make it. :( *toasts to mannie*
moral of the story? Use lots of smartbombs.. stay out of belts.. and watch tv.. or.. no wait.. yes.. maybe
Smartbombs are so much fun. *humps them*
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.31 13:35:00 -
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Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices.
Yep, welcome to Empire. Whoever called them Smartbombs had a cruel sense of humour I think...
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Gakbug
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Posted - 2005.03.31 13:39:00 -
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This is why noobs shouldn't get battleships before they even know how to play.
http://netbux.org/?r=155833
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Gothmatar Ravenblade
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Posted - 2005.03.31 14:12:00 -
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I've lost my first Brutix after barely 20 mins. of possessing it to CONCORD after doing a short SMB sweep against drones. My gang mate was within sweep radius. Meh. Happens. Don't use DudeBombs in Empire unless you are far away from CONCORD-summoning stuff.
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Usagi Yojim
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:39:00 -
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Well, yea I'm a 30 day noob, but all that money I spent was mine from missions and rat hunting -- painstakingly looting and reprocessing. And all my skills were trained up to fly one ... so wtf yo complaining about, I didnt' ebay any ISK or anything. All my training and isk were earned within the spirit of the rules and game play.
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Gakbug
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Yojim
Well, yea I'm a 30 day noob, but all that money I spent was mine from missions and rat hunting -- painstakingly looting and reprocessing. And all my skills were trained up to fly one ...
And let me guess, you had frigate fittings on it?
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:48:00 -
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Maybe you need to start a campaign, with bumper stickers...
"Only dummies use smart bombs in empire"
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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Usagi Yojim
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:05:00 -
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No, I had 2 Heavy Limo, 2 720 scouts, Tech II medium shield booster, booster amplifier, Shield hardeners, Medium shield extender, 3 PDU, tracking enhancer and armor repair.
It was a fully equipped shield tank battlecruiser rigged for long range standoffs. Except for the Smart bomb that I wanted to use for drones and anti-missles.
I mean like, explosions in real life cause splash damage. In real life you step in front of somebody firing a gun and you get hurt. Those things don't apply in Eve. How am I supposed to anticipate what realities that CCP chooses to adhear to. I just figured like 99% of all other MMRPG that when grouped with somebody, you can't attack em.
They took torpedo splash damage out of the game. Wonder why they did that huh? Probably too much reality as people damaged themselves, then concord comes out and finishes the job.
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Toni saliva
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Posted - 2005.03.31 21:24:00 -
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Well I feel for Usagi and I believe that ever single ship lost in this manner should be replaced or some form of compansation made. It's just good customerservice. Who here wouldnt want to use smart bombs when the need arrises for drone deffense anywere anytime? It's a plain development oversight and I really feel for those space cowboys who lost their ships after months of work. How many of them quite?
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:36:00 -
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Smartbombs are as smart as the people who are using them. No more and no less.
If you cant use them intellegently, dont use them at all. Problem solved.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Toni saliva
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Posted - 2005.04.01 05:13:00 -
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I dissagree completely. Usagi here lost alot of time when the game capped him and he should be compensated..like anyone who has had the same problem. If you would rather use your own drones or lock them one by one go right ahead but you should be able to use a smart bomb. Usagi here is the victom of a classic development over sight and I'm afraid the problem is not solved.We players need to get loud about it.
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