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Usagi Yojim	Posted - 2005.03.31 07:56:00 - [1] Okay, I wish I knew this before. Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices. Just having bought my Battlecruiser, I did some L2 drone missions and decided to equip a medium smart bomb I had looted. I heard they were good for Drones ... and they are. Now, fast forward to L3 Angel Extravaganza. Some dude with a battleship was kind enough to help me. I orbit him at 500m and take care of the little stuff pestering him. Well, you can imagine to my surprise that when the little stuff started getting in and the missles where flying, I activated my smart bomb. I get the message that my security status has been lowered. WTF? Then I get the message that Concord is trying to jam me, and a bunch of Concord ships start closing in on me. Being a 30 day noob, I didnt' realize what was going on. So I warped out -- to station. Station guns open up on me and I'm toast. 3 seconds it took. Not being familiar with this situation, I hop into my rupture and attempt to salvage my can. Oops, another 3 seconds and pffft 37m isk and weeks worth of rat hunting and mission running up in smoke. Needless to say, GM's are cruel and unsympathetic. Smart bombs are lame. Why do they allow me to hit my gang members. I mean torps proximity damage doesn't trigger concord or do they?
Specops	Posted - 2005.03.31 08:10:00 - [2] That sucks. P.S. Torps don't do proximity damage anymore. That was taken out a looooooooong time ago. ~Specops~
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2005.03.31 08:17:00 - [3] Join the club. Lost my 70m Ishtar few days back.. Should remember _not_ to go into 0.5+. SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
Sirkill	Posted - 2005.03.31 08:46:00 - [4] They realy should be renamed Dumb bombs, they have less intelligence than a defender missile.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2005.03.31 08:59:00 - [5] Quote: Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices. It's partly because of dumb pilots that sbombs got nerfed... Pain is meant to be felt
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.03.31 09:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 31/03/2005 09:02:17 They can do damage to others because Eve is not about lowering the standard to the level of the lowest. No flame intended, but Eve assumes you to be familiar with mechanics even when you are not or could not be based on your own experience level. Allowing for inexperience to dictate game mchanics would result in something the Dev's don't seem to want to implement. So they don't. Only thing to do about it is to keep asking those questions to you corpmates just about everything you do. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Salusa VC	Posted - 2005.03.31 09:08:00 - [7] I think some Dev got a touch of nostalgia when they named the "Smart Bomb". Anyone remember the SB in the old Defender game?
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.03.31 09:11:00 - [8] I am afraid I have to agree with Rod here, consider it a 37m ISK lesson learnt. There are other ways of taking out drones, such as launchers or your own drones. I made a mistake similar to yours once though, but I bombed a corp amtes drones (in a Badger). This was back ni the day where doing so would turn the drones hostile towards you. Almost lost the ship. ex P-TMC If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.03.31 09:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51 no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back??? WTF ???? This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything....
Liu Bei	Posted - 2005.03.31 09:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51 no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back??? WTF ???? This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything.... So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here. Work is the curse of the drinking class - Oscar Wilde
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.03.31 10:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Usagi Yojim Smart bombs are lame. Why do they allow me to hit my gang members. I mean torps proximity damage doesn't trigger concord or do they? TORPS DONT DO PROXIMITY OR SPLASH DAMAGE. Im sorry but this is the fourth time today that I have seen this piece of untruth on the forums. Torp splash was removed from the game months before I started playing (September last year). --------------------------------------------------
Specops	Posted - 2005.03.31 10:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Liu Bei Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 31/03/2005 09:45:51 no offense, but you say yourself you're a "30 days old noob", and you're using a Battlecruiser and a cruiser, and you're doing level3 extravaganza missions... so I think you earned what happened to you. GMs are cruel ?!? you petitioned for having your ships back??? WTF ???? This only proves you're not supposed to use all ships and modules, nor to do all missions, without the appropriate skills and (more important) the experience... SmartBoombs ARE smarts, but they're dangreous toys. So were torpedoes - I can just imagine, for I never used them, but I think it was surely better when you had to THINK before F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8ing everything.... So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here. Maybe enough days to know that smartbombs shouldn't be used in empire? Or that torps don't do splash damage? Or the 15 min agression timer? You don't have to wait of course, you just need to pay ** loads of cash every so often. BTW if noobs get flamed for flying a Cruiser then no ** they'll get flamed for flying something bigger (duh). ~Specops~
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.03.31 11:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Liu Bei So, how many days does it take to get certified by you to be able to fly a Battlecruiser? Newbies fly Cruisers they get flamed, they hop into a battlecruiser they get flamed, worst if they're in a battleship they get flamed as well. Crap happens even to the best of us newbie or non newbie. I sympathise with the guy and I'm sure he's learnt a lesson. So...where was I? yeah...move along, nothing else to see here. Hey, I did not intend to flame anyone - I'm just saying, good news, Eve still requires experience and experiments. And yes, crap happens to any of us, I'm doing "noobish" dumb mistakes every and each day, and I love it I don't blame any new player for using a BC or even a BS, although I'm convinced he's wrong when doing so; and I'm just glad to see Eve's system still has a minimal learning curve. "certified by me" ?!? I'm in no way the old vet who trolls all "noobs" for being younger and not having rights to anything... one more time, just happy to see Eve is not a game where you can just join, fly any ship during your first month and do anything you want: it would be really sad and boring if we didn't have to learn, day after day. AND btw NO, BS or even BC and T2 ships are not supposed to be used by all players, they're here for old, skilled, and specialized players - at least, this is how I understand Eve
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Nyphur on 31/03/2005 12:06:36 Originally by: Usagi Yojim Needless to say, GM's are cruel and unsympathetic. No, cruel and unsympathetic would be denying you a valid reimbursal. You just plain got your yourself blown up and it was all perfectly within the rules. The GMs can't give you back anything you lost due to ignorance, only to a valid bug.
Moridin	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:21:00 - [15] interesting. i remember that a lot of new peolple had a small minus sec standing. reson was a small incident involving a SB and station/gate. for a short while that was the no.1 killer of new players.. Ahhh the good old days. i even heard a rumor that u risked being killed for only targeting stations and gates. (in EvE first weeks of course)
Joan Smith	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:24:00 - [16] for FFS dont use smart bomb in empire!!! here my saying "smart bomb in empire isnt smart AT ALL" remmber that as joan saying and u wont get ganked
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:37:00 - [17] Im sorry for you but... what can one say. As for the smartbombs name, a better one would be "proximity bomb" as it causes a shockwave of damage that suposedly hits everything within a certain range. My use of them has never caused me to call down concord on my ass but I have killed off quite a few of my own drones with smartbombs... for one or other reason. My favorite one thus far was I forgot I had SB on autorepeat and thus dested 6 heavy drones after the fight was over :)
Matthew	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:44:00 - [18] Well, the only thing really smart about a smartbomb is that it lets off a massive explosion, centered on your location, but which doesn't damage you. That's what's smart about it - it doesn't kill it's user. Of course, it's also just like any other tool. No-matter how clever you make the tool, you'll always rely on the operator being smart enough to make appropriate use of it.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:51:00 - [19] To the OP, don't feel to bad. Every vet. has been concorded at least once by accident.
Alexis Machine	Posted - 2005.03.31 13:23:00 - [20] I'll never forget Mannie the malfunctioning Mammoth. Me and Mannie were killin some time, waiting for something pretty to come on tv, indy mining in .7 space. (dont ask why) Anyway, some rats came in.. no problem. I got a mining laser and a smartbomb. I'm good for a .7 system. There we are, me and Mannie. BLowing the hell out of these little guys... Out of the blue, a BS pilot warps in.. right on top of me.. while the smartbomb is going off. Mannie didn't make it. :( toasts to mannie moral of the story? Use lots of smartbombs.. stay out of belts.. and watch tv.. or.. no wait.. yes.. maybe Smartbombs are so much fun. humps them ----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de. if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design.
Wanoah	Posted - 2005.03.31 13:35:00 - [21] Quote: Smart bombs are not smart at all, they are dumb and get "fragged by Concord" devices. Yep, welcome to Empire. Whoever called them Smartbombs had a cruel sense of humour I think...
Gakbug	Posted - 2005.03.31 13:39:00 - [22] This is why noobs shouldn't get battleships before they even know how to play. http://netbux.org/?r=155833 Get paid to search using google.
Gothmatar Ravenblade	Posted - 2005.03.31 14:12:00 - [23] I've lost my first Brutix after barely 20 mins. of possessing it to CONCORD after doing a short SMB sweep against drones. My gang mate was within sweep radius. Meh. Happens. Don't use DudeBombs in Empire unless you are far away from CONCORD-summoning stuff.
Usagi Yojim	Posted - 2005.03.31 17:39:00 - [24] Well, yea I'm a 30 day noob, but all that money I spent was mine from missions and rat hunting -- painstakingly looting and reprocessing. And all my skills were trained up to fly one ... so wtf yo complaining about, I didnt' ebay any ISK or anything. All my training and isk were earned within the spirit of the rules and game play.
Gakbug	Posted - 2005.03.31 17:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Usagi Yojim Well, yea I'm a 30 day noob, but all that money I spent was mine from missions and rat hunting -- painstakingly looting and reprocessing. And all my skills were trained up to fly one ... And let me guess, you had frigate fittings on it? http://netbux.org/?r=155833 Get paid to search using google.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.03.31 17:48:00 - [26] Maybe you need to start a campaign, with bumper stickers... "Only dummies use smart bombs in empire" ex P-TMC If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Usagi Yojim	Posted - 2005.03.31 18:05:00 - [27] No, I had 2 Heavy Limo, 2 720 scouts, Tech II medium shield booster, booster amplifier, Shield hardeners, Medium shield extender, 3 PDU, tracking enhancer and armor repair. It was a fully equipped shield tank battlecruiser rigged for long range standoffs. Except for the Smart bomb that I wanted to use for drones and anti-missles. I mean like, explosions in real life cause splash damage. In real life you step in front of somebody firing a gun and you get hurt. Those things don't apply in Eve. How am I supposed to anticipate what realities that CCP chooses to adhear to. I just figured like 99% of all other MMRPG that when grouped with somebody, you can't attack em. They took torpedo splash damage out of the game. Wonder why they did that huh? Probably too much reality as people damaged themselves, then concord comes out and finishes the job.
Toni saliva	Posted - 2005.03.31 21:24:00 - [28] Well I feel for Usagi and I believe that ever single ship lost in this manner should be replaced or some form of compansation made. It's just good customerservice. Who here wouldnt want to use smart bombs when the need arrises for drone deffense anywere anytime? It's a plain development oversight and I really feel for those space cowboys who lost their ships after months of work. How many of them quite?
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.03.31 22:36:00 - [29] Smartbombs are as smart as the people who are using them. No more and no less. If you cant use them intellegently, dont use them at all. Problem solved. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Toni saliva	Posted - 2005.04.01 05:13:00 - [30] I dissagree completely. Usagi here lost alot of time when the game capped him and he should be compensated..like anyone who has had the same problem. If you would rather use your own drones or lock them one by one go right ahead but you should be able to use a smart bomb. Usagi here is the victom of a classic development over sight and I'm afraid the problem is not solved.We players need to get loud about it.
arjun	Posted - 2005.04.01 05:44:00 - [31] as said earlier: smartbombs are as samrt as their users. powerful weapons if used correctly but with limitations and dangers. i remember an incident of a bout 18 months ago. i was hunting in my first apoc at a spawn with 7 nice npc which liked to come close. i started the 2 large smarties and waited for the npc to pop. another bs comes in, 20 km away and watches. then suddenly he fired his mwd and aproached me. that dirty pig. i barely saved my ship by logging off.
Smackanastoroid	Posted - 2005.04.01 07:41:00 - [32] Hmm interesting thread. Thats all the more reason to fix this bug. It seems simply equiping a smart bomb is a disadvantage to anyone in empire space..I would seriously dout that was intended. The dev are busy people and thats why we chat about it here to get their attention..makes sense to me to change them. Look at torps splash damage now..not the same is it. look out! Astoroid..aaaaaaaa
Matthew	Posted - 2005.04.01 08:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Toni saliva I dissagree completely. Usagi here lost alot of time when the game capped him and he should be compensated..like anyone who has had the same problem. If you would rather use your own drones or lock them one by one go right ahead but you should be able to use a smart bomb. Usagi here is the victom of a classic development over sight and I'm afraid the problem is not solved.We players need to get loud about it. The game only capped him because he did something he's not supposed to do - damage an innocent party in empire space. Sure, he may not have realised, sure it sucks. But you can't just run around replacing the stuff of everyone who made a mistake or did something silly. Heck, if the GM's started doing that, you'd get people smart-bomb camping 1.0 gates, then petitioning for their ships back after they get their kill. In empire space, you have to watch your fire. It's your responsibility to make sure innocents don't sustain "collateral damage". In this situation, any area-of-effect weapon like a smartbomb is going to be very risky to use. Originally by: Smackanastoroid Hmm interesting thread. Thats all the more reason to fix this bug. It seems simply equiping a smart bomb is a disadvantage to anyone in empire space..I would seriously dout that was intended. The dev are busy people and thats why we chat about it here to get their attention..makes sense to me to change them. Look at torps splash damage now..not the same is it. Yes, but smartbombs are fundamentally different to torpedos. Torpedos are a direct damage weapon that had an area-of-effect tacked on. Removing the area of effect solved a problem without fundamentally changing the nature or usefulness of the torpedo as a weapon. The smartbomb is fundamentally an area-of-effect weapon, hence you have to be careful of what's in the area-of-effect when you activate it.
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.04.01 10:01:00 - [34] Edited by: lythos miralbar on 01/04/2005 10:01:21 changing the mechanics of a smart bomb so it didnt dammage gang mates would suck IMHO.. The smart bomb releases a pulse of "destructive power" from the activating ship, there is simply no logic that could be given to explain how that "destructive force" magicly misses gang mates within its area of effect. Yeah sure area of effect was removed from torpedos, but you can say that "although the torpedo creates an extremely destructive blast, the effect is quite concentrated resulting in a very small area of effect (the target ship only)" The thing that makes eve so great is that things like this do happen. Players aren't shielded from thier own daftness in any way. The description of the smart bomb says that it emits an onmidirectional pulse dammaging all ships within its area of effect. And we all know concord will open a can of whoop ass on anyone who agresses someone in empire space 'illegaly'. Doesnt take much to figure out what is going to happen when you smart bomb someone does it.... all you have to do is think about it for a sec and its pretty obvious.
Smackanastoroid	Posted - 2005.04.01 20:32:00 - [35] Fair point but eventualy game play come to bear and looking at Usagi's case as a class example the game play was devalued when it didnt need to be. Changing smart bombs to operate more realisticly (they should be able to decide between friend and opponent this game takes place in the distant future) would only serve to enhance the fun of the game. I dout Usagi has posted again and wonder if he even plays anymore. CCP lost real life money is my bet when they didnt need to. look out! Astoroid..aaaaaaaa
TheKiller8	Posted - 2005.04.01 21:09:00 - [36] Smartbombs - The fastest selfdestruct in Eve!
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.04.01 21:30:00 - [37] I feel for the guy. Nothing else does splash damage that can kill you (look at the graphics on a torp explosion, it doesnt trigger Concordokken) why should a smartbomb? Point being, it shouldn't. Smartbombs should be fixed to not hit gangmates/allies/concord structures. And puh-lease, all you folks who say "u h4v3 to beh sm4tzors to u53 t3h b0mBz0rs lolololool" give me a break! The same argument was used for torpedoes doing splash damage - and it was fixed because it wasn't good business. Period. Getting ganked by Concordokken through unintended splash damage is lame and bad for subscription retention, whether it's from a SB or a torpedo. And for those who quote "reality" arguments, yes it is a large destructive pulse radiating out from your ship. But sending my allies/Concord the specific frequency modulations of the SB allows them to produce an inverse modulation in thier shield harmonics cancelling out the explosive force and doing them no damage- i.e. in a sci-fi space game, gameplay>>>reality. If I target concord/gates and activate a module - I deserve to get ganked. If I activate an area of effect module and a drone happens to pass a bit too close should not trigger a concord resonse. ECM burst doesn't, neither should the SB. Nyxus
Laendra	Posted - 2005.04.01 21:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Joan Smith for FFS dont use smart bomb in empire!!! here my saying "smart bomb in empire isnt smart AT ALL" remmber that as joan saying and u wont get ganked Hmmm, used to be using them in 0.0 wasn't all that safe either, if you were around an NPC station. Don't know if that is still the case or not, but I don't think I really want to test that.... -------------------
Usagi Yojim	Posted - 2005.04.01 21:51:00 - [39] Nah, I'm still here. The gang member was kind enough to finish the mission for me and it carried a 10M isk bonus for completion, that + 7M insurance, and reprocessing my entire inventory of spare parts let me buy another battlecruiser. I almost EBAY'ed 100M isk, but passed on that. Just a point. One responder to this post said basicaly I deserved it because thats the way of the game, then related a story where somebody purposefully warped into their smartbomb field and he logged to save his ship ... that reads as somebody tried to grief him, and he saved himself by exploiting. So be thoughtfull of your position before you fly off and think I deserved it. That loss wasn't as catastrophic as when my character was stolen (name Callahan) 2 years ago ... then I did quit for two years and have just recently came back. Still irritated though whenever I see my old toon log-in. The point on the smart bomb, 99% of all mmorpgs don't let you damage your group members -- even if using AE damage. And those that do, fix'em quick because they are bugs. Anybody think otherwise ... Just remember, you can fly your ship straight through somebody elses laser beam or stream of 450mm rounds projectiles or hybrids and not take damage -- thats not real life either. It's just something that needs to be fixed, or removed.
Skinman	Posted - 2005.04.01 22:05:00 - [40] For all those asking for the SB's to not hit gang members I can only say this.. DON'T NERF THE SMARTS, JUST LEARN HOW TO USE THEM. Failing that DON'T use them. Please dev's, do not nerf more things in Eve because someone messed up once.
Usagi Yojim	Posted - 2005.04.01 22:17:00 - [41] Tell me how making it that Smart bombs don't harm Gang Members is a nerf?
Smackanastoroid	Posted - 2005.04.01 22:18:00 - [42] They are nerfed as it is..it would be nice to see their full potential. look out! Astoroid..aaaaaaaa
Skinman	Posted - 2005.04.01 22:24:00 - [43] Edited by: Skinman on 01/04/2005 22:25:15 Edited by: Skinman on 01/04/2005 22:25:01 Because it a reduction in they way that SB's where originaly intended to be used. If you are soloing away from Concord protected entities, then smart away (but watch your own drones) If not, then.. well your call.. I remember my first day in PIE, when asked what my loadout was in my omen. The cries of 'OMG!' and subsequent explainations where enough to make GO AND DO SOME MORE RESEARCH on what I had actually loaded on my ship and the consequences of said modules. This game grabs my attention because things like this happen. It's supposed to be unsafe, it's supposed to be exciting, it's supposed to make you think twice before you do anything. Take that away, and you have nothing more than a poor version of elite where everything always goes to plan.... sorry but thats not my idea of fun.
Amicus	Posted - 2005.04.02 02:51:00 - [44] This topic brings to mind a recent suggestion I made in the Ideas Forum. (See Defender Smart Bombs û a missile only defense.) In that thread we discussed: PROPOSAL: Introduce a new line of smart bombs that only damage missiles This new line of smart bombs would not replace the current version of the smart bomb, just provide an optional, very limited type of smart bomb. The idea was to give non-missile turret ships something approaching the defender missile for defense against missiles.
Alexander Kiernov	Posted - 2005.04.02 03:39:00 - [45] I'd say give the guy a free BS and a large hellstorm instead... Nah, seriously, I've done the same too... And I was so ******* mad I lost my rupture I seriously thought of quitting, but here I am, almost a year later... :) ------------------------------------------
Fubar Balagan	Posted - 2005.04.02 04:06:00 - [46] U live, U learn. Now can we ban the idiots from EVE please.
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.04.02 04:40:00 - [47] Amicus I would wholeheartedly support that idea. So many ships have a "utility" high slot that are good for nothing. They are meant for SB's, but as SB's are useless 98% of the time I would LOVE to have some type of missle defence. Nyxus
Toni saliva	Posted - 2005.04.02 05:06:00 - [48] Fubar Belegan "U live, U learn. Now can we ban the idiots from EVE please. " Did you just call some of these posters idiots?! Go f**C yourself or add a constructive view. As for Amicus interesting idea what do you guys think about a phalanx style weapon system in the place of or to enhance smart bombs
Kaalise	Posted - 2005.04.02 12:18:00 - [49] To those citing LoS on weapons, that's an issue with the game engine. To those citing the removal of AoE on torps consider this, once you've fired a torp you have no control over them at all, given the flight to target time on a torp this gives a good window to get into position to bring Concord down on you. When you trigger a Smartbomb you do so knowing full well what is within range. Therefore it is your own fault, get over it. One thing I would like to see however is SB activation and de-activation brought in line, currently they actives "fire then charge" like a gun but de-activate "charge then fire" like an armour repairer. .+ (_) Fetch the holy hand grenade
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:24:00 - [50] Personally, I'd like to see a nice simple solution to the smartbombs to prevent accidents. "proximity warning!" A simple warning that pops up if you're running a SB and a Can/PC/Gate/Flying Pig chances into your zone of effect - SB detonation is delayed until you close the warning box with it's "continue YES/NO" option. click yes, and well, then it's the darwin awards for you. Same as hitting fire on a turret comes up with a warning. Bingo - SBs turn from the Eve equivalent of russian roulette into a weapon that can be used properly without a warping-in player landing on top of you or the likes wrecking your ship at concorde's trigger-happy hands. S
Domalais	Posted - 2005.04.03 02:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Usagi Yojim Tell me how making it that Smart bombs don't harm Gang Members is a nerf? It's not, its an outrageous boost.
Skinman	Posted - 2005.04.03 03:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Skinman on 03/04/2005 03:25:53 Originally by: Suze'Rain Personally, I'd like to see a nice simple solution to the smartbombs to prevent accidents. "proximity warning!" A simple warning that pops up if you're running a SB and a Can/PC/Gate/Flying Pig chances into your zone of effect - SB detonation is delayed until you close the warning box with it's "continue YES/NO" option. click yes, and well, then it's the darwin awards for you. Same as hitting fire on a turret comes up with a warning. Bingo - SBs turn from the Eve equivalent of russian roulette into a weapon that can be used properly without a warping-in player landing on top of you or the likes wrecking your ship at concorde's trigger-happy hands. S This would negate the use of SB's, as by the time that you have cliked 'yes', the missiles that you where defending against would already have detonated. Option after that would be to check the 'Dont ask me again' box, and your back at square one. The only solution to this smartbomb problem is simple... learn how and where to use them. Human intelligence is not based on technological advances, it is based on their ability to adapt to their surroundings.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:15:00 - [53] Here's yet another of my "totally ***** crazy ideas" which are usually something that I feel would make EVE a much cooler place to live, and would likely cause the CCP programmers to strangle me because of all the extra work I'm trying to put them through. I say smartbombs should damage anything and everything within their radius, including friends, enemies, and structures (the ship that sets of the smartbomb of course being the one thing that doesn't get damaged.) I think torps should get their proximity damage back. In fact, I think ALL missiles should have proximity damage too, but it would be in accordance with their size, so a rocket would probably have a proximity damage radius of about 200-250 meters. But it would still be significant for a heavy missile. HOWEVER, when you hit your buddy with the smartbomb/torpedo/missile splash, you don't automatically get annhilated by CONCORD. Why? Because CONCORD no longer responds automatically. Because everybody now has a little button, which we shall call the "CONCORD Distress Beacon Button". This button normally sits there, looking kinda like your autopilot button does when it's not active. When your ship or your drones or your stuff get attacked, your CONCORD button suddenly lights up, flashing red or yellow or maybe both. At that point, you can punch your distress beacon and CONCORD will show up and do its thing. If you want (like when your buddy accidentally smartbombed you) you just ignore the damn thing and save CONCORD the trouble (and, more importantly, save your buddy's ship). With this system, maybe we could even make it so that you can get hit by crossfire (which obviously wouldn't be feasible under the current auto-CONCORD system). Or maybe we could leave turrets alone. But my point is the same, the police generally don't show up unless somebody calls 911, so why the does CONCORD magically know every time somebody shoots somebody else? I should be a CCP game-design executive. Until the programmers kills me. ___________________________________________ ^^^---All things serve the Beam---**^^^
Ronin Woman	Posted - 2005.04.04 20:31:00 - [54] Fubar The Idiots comment- that was cold sir. Just because you have the very uber & rare "All Game Knowledge" implant while the rest of us have to learn it, doesn't mean you can rub it in. Shame on you! Now go to your docking bay & stay there until told you can leave.
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.04.04 20:54:00 - [55] Quote: When you trigger a Smartbomb you do so knowing full well what is within range. Therefore it is your own fault, get over it. Actually - there is a very apreciable gap between activating an SB and it's actual firing. Generally you learn to time it so it actually goes off when you need it. However, if you trigger it, and see your mates hobgoblin drone suggenly zip into range....well, you just hope your insurance is paid up. Of course, if you USED an SB you would know that, and that it's possible. Instead, you just comment srom your holier-than-thou l33t perch. Nyxus

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