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Fitchner
Delicious Snacks
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:43:00 -
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edited - concord dont pay insurance. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2569
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:49:00 -
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Fitchner wrote:If you break-even with Insurance payout + bounty then I can see alot of problems for miners.
So I just have to place a bounty on a miner I want to kill, get a battleship load it with smartbombs, put insurance on it & get back a conciderable amount of isk.
Pretty stupid system if you ask me.
Gankers dont get insurance payouts. |
Sentamon
194
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:09:00 -
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So you're flying around with your buddy in hisec when you notice you can buy kill-rights on him really cheap. Then .... out of the blue someone put a 2 bil bounty on him. Bonus, he's flying his super expensive officer moded ship.
What to do? 
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK. Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it. Gank with a shuttle. M'kay. Now you just look silly.
Just 'following' your terrible advice.
edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2576
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:13:00 -
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Quote:
Just 'following' your terrible advice.
edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.
Lean in closer so that I may whisper sweet nothings into your ear. |
Lord Zim
1858
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK. Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it. Gank with a shuttle. M'kay. Now you just look silly. Just 'following' your terrible advice.
Now you just look sillier.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Quote:
Just 'following' your terrible advice.
edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.
Lean in closer so that I may whisper sweet nothings into your ear.
Just so long as you don't bump a lot. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
89
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:55:00 -
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Carlton Foster wrote:Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?
I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.
It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.
Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.
If the stupidity goes on for too long I'll simply unsubscribe. CCP's income drops by $15 a month. The impact on their budget will be insignificant.
But again, multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.
(Just my opinion: Find whoever came up with the "Security status no longer matters" clause in the new bounty system and fire them. That one line is going to cost CCP subscribers. Lots of them. People who cost CCP subscribers should not be on CCP's payroll, let alone making decisions.)
EvE Forum Bingo |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
24
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:55:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK. Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it. Gank with a shuttle. M'kay. This is not how the new system will work. Anyone attempting to gank themselves would lose money, not make it. The only benefit to ganking oneself would be the chance to remove said bounty at your own leisure and to avoid losing any cargo that your ship may be carrying.
Rookie ships & suspect flags?
It'll take a long time but as we all know, 'taking ages' has rarely been a prohibitive barrier to all. |
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
9
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:55:00 -
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WhatGÇÖs to stop a miner with a bounty from hopping in an insured battleship with 5% hull left and having an alt in a frig/destroyer explode the BS? Miner gets insurance payout on main and bounty on alt. Of course all ships and mods used would be produced from minerals they mined for free. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
287
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:56:00 -
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Master Gotama wrote:WhatGÇÖs to stop a miner with a bounty from hopping in an insured battleship with 5% hull left and having an alt in a frig/destroyer explode the BS? Miner gets insurance payout on main and bounty on alt. Of course all ships and mods used would be produced from minerals they mined for free.
Nothing. They are free to do that, but they wont because that would invovle actually participating in the game and sitting at their keyboard for a significant amount of time.
If we assume that the average BS costs like 200mil for the ship + insurance and they get 120mil insurance, they'll also get 40 mil from the bounty. Of course if they make that all themselves they could have just sold the BS for 140 mil and been on their way.
I'm not too worried.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
578
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:08:00 -
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Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
43
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:08:00 -
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I smell a rise in Trit prices 
And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
81
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:18:00 -
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Like I said let the procurer's begin rolling off the assembly line if they want to gank that and get bounty off that ship im sure it will be well worth it and a profitable venture 20% of procurer hull worth what??? 1 mining laser....some drones...a little ore and some t-1 mods...yeah....I see it all adds up now. And as poster above states those who do continue to mine will become even more rich because less competition. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
472
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:21:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Dave stark wrote:Carlton Foster wrote:Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?
I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec. does having a bounty stop concord showing up? if it doesn't then i might have to dust off my skiff, or bother training for the siege warfare link on my alt, or both. It will not stop concord from coming. So dust off the skiff.
well to gank a skiff it'll have to be a pretty big bounty payout to make it worth their while.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Devon Krah'tor
Magis.Erudire.Ratus.Knoen
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:23:00 -
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only slightly off topic: Its really too bad that the industrialists of new eden couldn't organize themselves. They could shut this ***** right down for lulz
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge |
baltec1
Bat Country
2582
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:24:00 -
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Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:I smell a rise in Trit prices And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins
Why? Its not like null sec mining is going to get any more dangerous. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:27:00 -
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ITT: people who don't educate themselves about upcoming changes and will be in for quite a surprise (MadMuppet and Dave stark to name a couple)
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways:
He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
43
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:I smell a rise in Trit prices And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins Why? Its not like null sec mining is going to get any more dangerous.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143033
btw, in there it was explained to me that belt mining in null is way too dangerous
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1786553#post1786553
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1090
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:31:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Nanatoa wrote:In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss
Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.
Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1090
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:38:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.
Although that will work, the cost to you is 5 times the value of the bounty. You got a 100 million bounty? You need to blow up 500 million worth of ships to clear it.
The other way to clear a bounty is to suspend you account for 6 months. If you go that route, be sure to fill out the form CCP has asking why with "to clear the bounty placed on me".
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
81
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:40:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:pussnheels wrote:Nanatoa wrote:In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it. Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.
Ah huh...so this supports my theory that null is not broken like they say if they can afford trillions. |
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
9
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:41:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:pussnheels wrote:Nanatoa wrote:In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it. Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.
I predict procurers becoming popular. It's pretty easy to get quite a few EHPs at a super cheap price. It'll never be profitable to gank procurers regardless of the bounty.
*grabs popcorn* |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10143
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:41:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant. Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant. Now replace those miners with ones that can handle themselves.
The impact is now insignificant again, and mining profession as a whole is probably a much healthier one.
Morrigan LeSante wrote:Rookie ships & suspect flags? Won't help you with the GÇ£lost ship valueGÇ¥ part, which is what determines the bounty payout.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1090
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Fitchner wrote:If you break-even with Insurance payout + bounty then I can see alot of problems for miners.
So I just have to place a bounty on a miner I want to kill, get a battleship load it with smartbombs, put insurance on it & get back a conciderable amount of isk.
Pretty stupid system if you ask me. Gankers dont get insurance payouts.
And "place a bounty" means you spend ISK equal to the bounty you place. If you place a bounty on someone, then kill that someone yourself, you just get back the money you used for the bounty.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
1955
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:42:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Any jerkoff with his mom's credit card can now go out, sell a PLEX, and stick billion ISK bounties on people with 5.0 security standings just for laughs?
Yes.
Katran Luftschreck wrote:mass unsubs.
Hopefully.
Katran Luftschreck wrote: The entire EvE economy will going flying down a jet
Not at all.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
1955
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:55:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Carlton Foster wrote:Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?
I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec. It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant. Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant. If the stupidity goes on for too long I'll simply unsubscribe. CCP's income drops by $15 a month. The impact on their budget will be insignificant. But again, multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant. (Just my opinion: Find whoever came up with the "Security status no longer matters" clause in the new bounty system and fire them. That one line is going to cost CCP subscribers. Lots of them. People who cost CCP subscribers should not be on CCP's payroll, let alone making decisions.)
Why would you want to leave, when you could just take a tanky mining ship,
actually tank it, actually pay attention and have HUGE profits, because all the cowards/idiots have left ?
Are you, by chance, one of the cowards/idiots ?
HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Robert De'Arneth
170
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:55:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:pussnheels wrote:Nanatoa wrote:In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it. Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.
You assume the miners would care about the bounties, I feel pretty sure almost 90% of the miners will laugh, and even if they have to take a loss would make sure corpies get the bounties. I do not care if it would take 300 frigs to get the bounty down, every cent would go to a corpy period. There is no way this bounty will bother most people. I can make enough in about 20 mins to buy 40 frigs. They do not need to be fitted, get hit pop back out get hit, rinse and repeat. This bounty on miners will not be effective in the long run.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:01:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned
I'm curious when the complaints will start coming in accusing harassment... Griefing and bumping is one thing, but extortion in-game is borderline harassment.
As it sits so far I personally think the new bounty system has replaced a broken mechanism with one that's akin to the Tier 3 BCs: one purpose, and one purpose only. |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Revenge
257
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:03:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^
well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell. |
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