Who are these mystical people that are going to put large enough bounties on miners to matter? You know a bounty doesn't give people kill rights, right?

Who are these mystical people that are going to put large enough bounties on miners to matter? You know a bounty doesn't give people kill rights, right?

In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

That does it. 500 mil ISK bounties it is.

Miners will mine themselves for your bounty.

Hop in a shuttle, gank with an alt, profit.

How does one get one of these 500mil bounties anyway?

THREAD WARNING:
First miner to type a response more than 10 lines will have a bounty placed on them!
First nullmoanbear to type a response more than 3 lines will have triple bounty placed on them!

I think you should place a "triple bounty" on me, because assuming you dont mean the chocolate bar (i hate coconut) then I'd love to see how much money you waste on me.You, like most players on EVE-O forums lately, are out of kilter in your thinking compared to the reality of most situtions. At best your suggestions lack reasoning and at worst I suspect you make bad suggestions on purpose. If I had to give advice to yourself or any of the other bad posters with bad ideas out there it would be to clue yourself up on game mechanics and actually take part in what you're talking about before suggesting changes,

Miners will mine themselves for your bounty.

Hop in a shuttle, gank with an alt, profit.

How does one get one of these 500mil bounties anyway?

Considering that retribution doesn't introduce any new ways to collect the bounties placed on people I sincerely doubt that it will have any kind of meaningful effect on how miners behave.

Considering that retribution doesn't introduce any new ways to collect the bounties placed on people I sincerely doubt that it will have any kind of meaningful effect on how miners behave.

Ignoring the issue of questioning who would actually be motivated enough to place all those bounties this interestingly raises the minimum payout for a gank on a Mackinaw whose pilot had a sufficient bounty pool to about 35-40mill (20% of hull cost + assuming all mods are lost and thus paid out at 20% of market value instead of dropping and being sold for full value as well as no salvage). An interesting proposition for any interested party, but that could be a lot of bounties to place.

Now the question is, can you gank a miner in highsec and still make a profit? If the answer is "yes", coming next year, we're gonna drown in miner tears.

Miners will mine themselves for your bounty.

Hop in a shuttle, gank with an alt, profit.

How does one get one of these 500mil bounties anyway?

In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

lolz. No bounty. Everything you said made sense.

Except for what you said after "I think"....

Thus proving your crusade is not actually against AFK/Bot miners, but against anyone who won't bow down and give you money.
If it really was against AFK/Bot miners, you wouldn't be including the legit miners in your efforts. And (per your manifesto) would be giving a little longer than 5 secs to reply.

No but it will make ganking profitable.

OH NOES.... Did I just say that out aloud?

THREAD WARNING:
First miner to type a response more than 10 lines will have a bounty placed on them!
First nullmoanbear to type a response more than 3 lines will have triple bounty placed on them!

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

Did I miss a memo? How can you post a bounty on someone who does not have a -ve sec status....?

Did I miss a memo? How can you post a bounty on someone who does not have a -ve sec status....?

Conservative estimations get me to about 50bil ISK investment for placing a 20mil bounty on every ice-miner online at 20:00.

That's a lot of money (half a titan), but there are also people that can afford that easily.

We will see

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

No but it will make ganking profitable.

OH NOES.... Did I just say that out aloud?

THREAD WARNING:
First miner to type a response more than 10 lines will have a bounty placed on them!
First nullmoanbear to type a response more than 3 lines will have triple bounty placed on them!

Gank all the miners you want and have fun doing it, but don't come to the forums and whine, ***** and moan about how ship prices have doubled from what they are now, remember that the tears will go both ways.

Gank all the miners you want and have fun doing it, but don't come to the forums and whine, ***** and moan about how ship prices have doubled from what they are now, remember that the tears will go both ways.

I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK.

Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it.

Gank with a shuttle. M'kay.

Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it.

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

Gank with a shuttle. M'kay.

This is not how the new system will work.

Anyone attempting to gank themselves would lose money, not make it. The only benefit to ganking oneself would be the chance to remove said bounty at your own leisure and to avoid losing any cargo that your ship may be carrying.

does having a bounty stop concord showing up? if it doesn't then i might have to dust off my skiff, or bother training for the siege warfare link on my alt, or both.

If you break-even with Insurance payout + bounty then I can see alot of problems for miners.

So I just have to place a bounty on a miner I want to kill, get a battleship load it with smartbombs, put insurance on it & get back a conciderable amount of isk.

Pretty stupid system if you ask me.

Now you just look silly.

Just 'following' your terrible advice.

edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.

Just 'following' your terrible advice.

Lean in closer so that I may whisper sweet nothings into your ear.

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

This is not how the new system will work.

Anyone attempting to gank themselves would lose money, not make it. The only benefit to ganking oneself would be the chance to remove said bounty at your own leisure and to avoid losing any cargo that your ship may be carrying.

WhatGÇÖs to stop a miner with a bounty from hopping in an insured battleship with 5% hull left and having an alt in a frig/destroyer explode the BS? Miner gets insurance payout on main and bounty on alt. Of course all ships and mods used would be produced from minerals they mined for free.

It will not stop concord from coming. So dust off the skiff.

I smell a rise in Trit prices

And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins

Why? Its not like null sec mining is going to get any more dangerous.

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.

Rookie ships & suspect flags?

Gankers dont get insurance payouts.

Any jerkoff with his mom's credit card can now go out, sell a PLEX, and stick billion ISK bounties on people with 5.0 security standings just for laughs?

mass unsubs.

The entire EvE economy will going flying down a jet

It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.

If the stupidity goes on for too long I'll simply unsubscribe. CCP's income drops by $15 a month. The impact on their budget will be insignificant.

But again, multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.


(Just my opinion: Find whoever came up with the "Security status no longer matters" clause in the new bounty system and fire them. That one line is going to cost CCP subscribers. Lots of them. People who cost CCP subscribers should not be on CCP's payroll, let alone making decisions.)

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^

I'm curious when the complaints will start coming in accusing harassment... Griefing and bumping is one thing, but extortion in-game is borderline harassment.

Now replace those miners with ones that can handle themselves.
The impact is now insignificant again, and mining profession as a whole is probably a much healthier one.

well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell.

Now you replace 100 "stupid lazyboness" with 1 "cool and smart".

You still sure about your "impact will be insignificant"?

Ah huh...so this supports my theory that null is not broken like they say if they can afford trillions.

Although that will work, the cost to you is 5 times the value of the bounty. You got a 100 million bounty? You need to blow up 500 million worth of ships to clear it.

The other way to clear a bounty is to suspend you account for 6 months. If you go that route, be sure to fill out the form CCP has asking why with "to clear the bounty placed on me".

well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143033

btw, in there it was explained to me that belt mining in null is way too dangerous

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1786553#post1786553

Edit: I was too stunned at the time considering who was saying it to tell him to stop mining afk, mine aligned, and watch local, lol

Thanks for the replies everyone. Not really what I was looking for, but interesting to read none the less.

Quite frankly I am a bit baffled by how little knowledge there is of the new bounty mechanics comming in December. I think a lot of the people in this thread really need to read the dev blog.

There will be no way to farm off the bounty with shuttles without paying out of pocket a lot more than the actual bounty. Let's say a shuttle is worth 10,000 ISK. You would get 2,000 ISK for blowing it up. The shuttle would then have cost you 8,000 ISK. Let's say you have a 500 million ISK bounty. You would have to blow up 250,000 shuttles, which would cost you 2 billion ISK. Insurance would lessen that a bit, but not by that much. You would still have to pay out significantly more than the bounty to "farm" it off. I'm also willing to bet that free rookie ships will pay out exactly 0 ISK.

Seriously people. Get out and read some dev blogs :-)

Seeing as MinerBumping.com has--effectively--been given the green light by CCP, is griefing griefers acceptable?

As in: Can I go around and bump miners that HAVE paid the 10 mil fee and demand a fine for them accepting James 315 as their commander?

Seems legit.

No but it will make ganking profitable.

How much ISK would it take to make ganking a 90k ehp Skiff profitable?

How many high-sec miners are there?

How much ISK would it take to make ganking a 90k ehp Skiff profitable?

How many high-sec miners are there?

No but it will make ganking profitable.

OH NOES.... Did I just say that out aloud?

You are asking the wrong question some ships no matter how high the bounty is will never be profittable to gank.

Cheap ships with very high EHP's fit in this catagory.

A cheap ship will only pay out 20% of its value in a bounty to the killer.

If the killer has to use an expensive ship to kill the cheap ship (because of its ehp level) then it is essentially immune to bounty ganks.

What's to keep a miner from hoping in a skiff once he gets a bounty? The bounty is tied to the character right, not the ship?

Yes the bounty follows the character. And nothing is stoping you from flying a Skiff.

The flip side of this is the cost of the destroyers are going up as well with the winter update.

They will? How so?

There is reading the dev blogs and then there is understanding what you read.

There is reading the dev blogs and then there is understanding what you read.

Any pointers in the right direction, like which specific blog you are referring to?

You will get a pretty good idea tomorrow on duality.

I wanna be able to put bounty on bad posts.

In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

My friend was once warned that, by bumping a miner continually and preventing him from playing the game, i.e. griefing and thus, he was getting his one and only warning. Yes, he did try to ransom the guy for isk. So when I told him about the wishy-washies "taking" systems by bumping players incessantly and demanding isk. he was pretty pissed off about it. About them not getting warnings and cease and desist orders, that is.

Time to petition james 315 like what everyone else does eh.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of you, that if you grief the miners enough, they'll just simply quit EVE. There are a LOT of high sec miners. Several thousand I believe.
I don't think CCP can afford to let your miner griefing continue to the point where it causes a large loss of subs because of your inconsiderate actions. This isn't a game that has millions of subs. We have around 200-300k subs and we need each and every on plus bringing more IN, so this awesome game will stay running.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of you, that if you grief the miners enough, they'll just simply quit EVE. There are a LOT of high sec miners. Several thousand I believe.

I don't think CCP can afford to let your miner griefing continue to the point where it causes a large loss of subs because of your inconsiderate actions. This isn't a game that has millions of subs. We have around 200-300k subs and we need each and every on plus bringing more IN, so this awesome game will stay running.

Thus proving your crusade is not actually against AFK/Bot miners, but against anyone who won't bow down and give you money.
If it really was against AFK/Bot miners, you wouldn't be including the legit miners in your efforts. And (per your manifesto) would be giving a little longer than 5 secs to reply.

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Edit: To the actual Op, I forgot to include this the first time, change to Procurer/Skiff. Fit at least 1 Stab (Though I often do that already if there are war decs on corp), continue to mine away like I do currently, keeping an eye on local, watching who is in the area with me, and warp off if I think a gank is going to happen.

Amen to this. All that AFK/Bot nonsense is just a pretext to carry on their antisocial ways. All they want to do is destroy other peoples stuff and bathe in the grief. They are sociopaths, nothing else. They won't admit it though because they know once they do, they are nothing more than common thugs with ZERO legitimacy.

This is literally the first time we've heard of this. And here I thought there were just a handful.


hurr eve trammel durr

hurr people who shoot other people's ships are sociopaths and should be locked up and medicated because they are literally a menace and a danger to society

Bumping people isn't even fun.

These petulant nerds are just throwing a tantrum because they can't easily gank exhumers anymore to collect nerd points for their nerdboards (which only they care about).

Then they run to the forums and act like an 8 year old bragging about his new pokemon

No one cares Ash you ******

Bumping people isn't even fun.

These petulant nerds are just throwing a tantrum because they can't easily gank exhumers anymore to collect nerd points for their nerdboards (which only they care about).

Then they run to the forums and act like an 8 year old bragging about his new pokemon

No one cares Ash you ******

Someone got bumped recently, y'all got salty cheeks.

What the hell is Miner Bumping?

Bumping miners, I assume.

What the hell is Miner Bumping?

It's like bumper cars, you know the game at carnivals which kids like to play.

Sadly, these nerds never got the opportunity because they were too busy playing Zelda to go outside

Now they bitterly make up for lost time in this online video game.

Check you out, getting all bothered about other people playing a video game.

Do tell all.

I'm so clearly bothered, I can't stop using the word nerd

You're such a nerd you can't stop commenting on it

So what's your problem with these miner bumper people, huh? Did they ruin your game or something? Did you get moved out of range of your mining lasers? Are they some kind of internet spaceship bullies who incite you to nerd rage?

So what's your problem with these miner bumper people, huh? Did they ruin your game or something? Did you get moved out of range of your mining lasers? Are they some kind of internet spaceship bullies who incite you to nerd rage?

Perhaps ... they should have gotten a permit.

lol at someone who plays and internet spaceships game, in a corp named after a fictional place in the Harry Potter books, calling people nerds.

Geek is probably a more fitting description, nerds by definition are socially awkward, Eve is a social game therefore nerds do not fit in here.

Only a geek would try to call himself a nerd, geek.

Let's be honest here, tear-extraction is a game nerds play to bring some sort of relevance to their shallow, nerdy existence.

Only a geek would try to call himself a nerd, geek.

Let's be honest here, tear-extraction is a game nerds play to bring some sort of relevance to their shallow, nerdy existence.

Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.

Do you really think the new bounty will effect high sec miner's? Even with a bounty on there ship/ heads you still have high sec rules and concord to deal with so the new bounty will not effect high sec mining one bit in my book.

That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

once

It can make ganking profitable. If the miner is being particularly bad at tanking. Clearly an exploit.

in fact, even miners with a permit will have to ask permission to go afk for a bio break, as per The Code.

So coming from a goon still dont mean much.

Unless goons plan to put bountys on all the shipings to make it worth it. I know goons have deep pockets but is goons willing to but a over 1 trillion out in bountys so gankers can get payed? I know goons have deep pocket but then there's cant be that deep.

If they are give me a bill right now and ill gank my hear out.

But wait even for hulkaggend goons did not come close on a tril total pay out.