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Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:34:00 -
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Tried to petition CCP about The Dec Shield alliance and how generally broken the whole war dec system is, and this was thier response
Hi,
At this point in time this tactic is not considered to be an exploit, but a valid use of game mechanics.
With kind regards,
GM Homonoia
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
HOW IS BEING LOCKED INTO A PERMA WAR WITH A 500 MAN ALLIANCE VALID, no seriously how? bc i sure as heck cant figure it out, i guess the only way for them to pay attention to the the issue is to hit em where it hurts, in the wallet, enjoy the loss of mine, and my friends buisness, you guys have had months to step up to the plate on this and havnt bothered.
I suggest everyone affected by this drop sub as well, even if its only until they fix it, they need to do it, and they have no reason to rush it as long as long as eveyone keeps paying, that must mean that everythings fine RIGHT.
Keep in mind, the LEADER of dec shield is the one spearheading change, when the troller is even insisting its broke, MAYBE ITS TIME TO LOOK AT IT. When the topic was brought up at ccp vegas, iot was shoved under the rug as not a priority, well i've had enough.
for a obvious exploit that affects many many people, it dosnt get the attention it deserves, when the number of tickets and general bitching about comes to foaming at the mouth rabib fanboy level, then they will take notice, petition, unsub do SOMETHING, sitting around pretending its ok does not MAKE it ok, no matter how much they think it is. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2844
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:40:00 -
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He isn't saying the mechanic is perfect and totally awesome. He is saying that what you describe is how the system should work and is in that sense valid and not an exploit. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10152
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:42:00 -
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How are you GÇ£locked inGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader
56
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:43:00 -
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C. I.H. Y. S ?
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:43:00 -
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my point is hes just doing his job, i know that, im not trying to rip the poor customer service guy about it,but notice the wording, this was a directive from higher above, they are sweeping it under the rug so to speak, and until people stand up in unision about it, nothign will change, ccp keeps track of the number of tickets they get and why, im sure of it, when it starts to spike, they will do something |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:44:00 -
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Just do something else for a month and do not log in. They should by then be bored and gone. If the Decs continue after that, by the same party, it may be construed at that as griefing. If you like the game, this is the best advice I can give.
Otherwise, spend some of that ISK on Mercs to deal with it. |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:46:00 -
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you are misunderstanding, this corp takes peoples war decs, mutuals them, and then keeps them active FOREVER so the 3 man corp i deced has turned suddenly into a 500 man alliance, permenatly |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:47:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:you are misunderstanding, this corp takes peoples war decs, mutuals them, and then keeps them active FOREVER so the 3 man corp i deced has turned suddenly into a 500 man alliance, permenatly
Let me get this straight....you initiated the original Dec ? |
Xolve
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:48:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:you are misunderstanding, this corp takes peoples war decs, mutuals them, and then keeps them active FOREVER so the 3 man corp i deced has turned suddenly into a 500 man alliance, permenatly
Here's an easy solution- move to LowSec.
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:49:00 -
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i deced a guys corp that was messing with some friends of mine, was a small 2-3 man corp, now he joins dec shield, dec shield takes the dec and mutuals it, then boots the 2-3 man corp out, they now PERMENATLY have a dec on my corp FOR FREE, a 500 man alliance |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10152
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:50:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:you are misunderstanding, this corp takes peoples war decs, mutuals them, and then keeps them active FOREVER so the 3 man corp i deced has turned suddenly into a 500 man alliance, permenatly
Yes? And?
What problems is this causing for you? What keeps you from solving those problems within the existing mechanics?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:51:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:i deced a guys corp that was messing with some friends of mine, was a small 2-3 man corp, now he joins dec shield, dec shield takes the dec and mutuals it, then boots the 2-3 man corp out, they now PERMENATLY have a dec on my corp FOR FREE, a 500 man alliance
Welp, good for them. You wanted a Dec and you got it. I fully support CCP's decision. |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:52:00 -
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there IS no way to remove it , at all, we are stuck, forever, i think thats kind of a flaw, yes there is no way within the mechanics to remove this dec |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10152
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:53:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:there IS no way to remove it , at all, we are stuck, forever, i think thats kind of a flaw, yes there is no way within the mechanics to remove this dec
Have you tried surrendering?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Bad Decisions
1
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:53:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:i deced a guys corp that was messing with some friends of mine, was a small 2-3 man corp, now he joins dec shield, dec shield takes the dec and mutuals it, then boots the 2-3 man corp out, they now PERMENATLY have a dec on my corp FOR FREE, a 500 man alliance
Oh no you wanted targets and you found some.
Please cry more.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
489
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:55:00 -
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Yeah well, just war dec me if that helps. I never log in anyway.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:57:00 -
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I dont make it a habit of decing anyone lol, but ty for the offer, only jerks who try to gank friends for no reason. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
378
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:57:00 -
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The mechanic really shouldn't allow you to get stuck in free foreverwar with someone you weren't prepared to be in foreverwar with. That's what's going on, yeah? |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:59:00 -
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correct benny |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:00:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:The mechanic really shouldn't allow you to get stuck in free foreverwar with someone you weren't prepared to be in foreverwar with. That's what's going on, yeah?
He decced them and is now whining about it and the consequences. Wants hand held. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10153
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:00:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:The mechanic really shouldn't allow you to get stuck in free foreverwar with someone you weren't prepared to be in foreverwar with. Actually, that's pretty much exactly what it's meant to do. It's to ensure that people don't wantonly engage in wars because they don't know what they might be stuck with.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
224
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:01:00 -
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Can't you just disband the corp and make a new one? |
Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:02:00 -
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He decced them and is now whining about it and the consequences. Wants hand held.
ummm, no? you think i would have bothered had i known the result? stop being a troll, no one needs you here, goodbye, exploit is exploit , pure and simple
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Samoth Egnoled
The Condemned and Convicted
6303
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:04:00 -
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IN B4 Lockage
I'm the voice inside your head...you refuse to hear,
I'm the face that you have to face... the mirror in your stare,
I'm whats Left..I'm whats Right... I'm the enemy,
I'm the hand that'll take you down.. and bring you to your knees, So Who..are you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10153
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:04:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:exploit is exploit GǪexcept, of course, that there is no exploit. It's just you falling afoul of the exact mechanic that is there to make wardeccing an unpredictable and risky proposition.
There are still ways for you to get out of it, if you choose to.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Tetsuigablm
Lianowar Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:04:00 -
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Quote:Actually, that's pretty much exactly what it's meant to do. It's to ensure that people don't wantonly engage in wars because they don't know what they might be stuck with.
I dont quite remember seeing that anywhere, ever. If someone can prove me wrong, then fine, but im pretty certain free wars were never intented to happen, otherwise why even raise the prices.......? |
Diva Ex Machina
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Have you tried surrendering?
and
Riot Girl wrote:Can't you just disband the corp and make a new one?
Curious to know if you tried either of these options. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
953
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:05:00 -
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Tetsuigablm wrote:
He decced them and is now whining about it and the consequences. Wants hand held.
ummm, no? you think i would have bothered had i known the result? stop being a troll, no one needs you here, goodbye, exploit is exploit , pure and simple
We are saying that you should have known the rules of a War Dec before initiating one. You should have KNOWN this could happen. Then you come crying to people on a Forum who can do nothing at all. Who, exactly, doesn't understand the game ?
edit: If you call straight facts Trolling, then I guess I'm a Troll. First time I've had that leveled at me in 47 years. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2844
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tetsuigablm wrote:i deced a guys corp that was messing with some friends of mine, was a small 2-3 man corp, now he joins dec shield, dec shield takes the dec and mutuals it, then boots the 2-3 man corp out, they now PERMENATLY have a dec on my corp FOR FREE, a 500 man alliance Welp, good for them. You wanted a Dec and you got it. I fully support CCP's decision.
You're not thinking it through. The problem isn't a bad wardeccer got more then they bargained for. That can happen even if you fix the system. The problem is that wardeccing anyone for any reason is becoming increasingly stupid and so is hiring mercs for defence, since you can always get a huge alliance to do it for free. Basicly all the goals the system tried to achieve are steadily turned to crap with the current implementation.
Making decs is becoming stupid because instead of having a short war that aims at specific targets, you are increasingly getting a "mutual" forever war with an entity you have no issues with. Just to make it blatantly clear the problem is the forever part. Being in a war puts limits on what your corp can do even mechanically, so it's bad, that you can be locked to such state without you having any ability to change things. Your only way out is to make a new corp and make alt corps for wardeccing in the future. It's a stupid system, that could be fixed by simply making mutuality require a weekly reconfirmation from both sides. |
Wookie 1
Aethelings
2
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:06:00 -
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Its WAD, CCP even confirmed this a while ago. Whether this system actually is a terrible, terrible brokeness, well thats for others to decide (I question if it doesnt discourage PvP and make carebears safe in Empire because of their shield decs) |
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