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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
174
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:52:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?
As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.
Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.
Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.
I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.
The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.
Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.
Read the headline and call out BS! |
Signal11th
Amarr Empire
807
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:01:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?
As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.
Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.
Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.
I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.
The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.
Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.
It's called Swindon
Also if you really want to see egits worse than you find on EVE go play WOT for a bit. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
18
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:14:00 -
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Yes, it does in a lot of ways. |
Jaison Savrin
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
58
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:56:00 -
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I think Eve is a game where a lot of people come to live out their power fantasies. Like most video games actually. The big difference between Eve and a lot of games is that it promotes conflict between players more than encouraging them to unite against the other in the form of NPCs. I think there is probably an argument that some kind of opinion can be formed about people based on how they treat others in a game but I won't say how much; I don't know that. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
257
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:05:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
While I am in favour of boobs in general
Agreed. General would be a much better place with more bewbs.
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Reptail
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:08:00 -
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Yes, You Act In Eve As You Act In Real Life. Ground-á Shiwer |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
597
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:08:00 -
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It's not an environment where we have much choice. Like locking a bunch of people in a room full of knives, you can bet they'll get stabby pretty fast. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
J Kunjeh
426
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:13:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
It does map well to our current reality in the modern world, and its current trajectory. Specifically, this is humanity under capitalism as an overarching system to live under (I love capitalism, but not as the center of our world systems). "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
89
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:22:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
It does map well to our current reality in the modern world, and its current trajectory. Specifically, this is humanity under capitalism as an overarching system to live under (I love capitalism, but not as the center of our world systems).
It would be hard to remove it from the center considering it's an expression of human nature. It's not something like Lolmunism which you have to force onto people. |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
77
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:28:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. It'd be interesting events unfolding in-game if that were true of all as you say, but simple isn't true.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
597
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:30:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
Strong, weak, smart, dumb, are all just subjective labels. Dumb people often think other people are dumb, for example. And with technology there is no real 'strong' anymore. A toddler with a gun can kill a 6'5 body builder.
What you have is people simply being greedy and nasty, and trying to justify it with darwinian thinking, but ever since we left the wild old darwin has lost his grasp on us. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
90
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:34:00 -
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Strong can mean more than just physically strong. I'm sure you've met someone who you would call a 'weak' person, and you weren't suggesting you could lift more than him. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
597
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:45:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Strong can mean more than just physically strong. I'm sure you've met someone who you would call a 'weak' person, and you weren't suggesting you could lift more than him.
Someones will can be strong, sure, but that could be applied to lots of things, and not just how eager they are to trample others to serve their own greed.
Being ruthless and selfish are primitive traits, seen in all manner of less intelligent creatures. It's higher brain functions like empathy which allow us to have advanced civilizations and some degree of order. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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The psychology term that applies here is "dysinhibition". Dysinhibition comes about from some organic and pyschiatric reasons: - Methamphjetamine usage - Manic state (psych diagnosis = Bipolar Disorder) - certain forms of temporal lobe siezures
It also comes about when one is spearated from their normal cultural restrictions and/or are disconnected from normal face to face human interactions. Internet interactions and/or being inside an MMO disguised as your avatar, typically with the excuse of roleplay, are great examples. Skype improves on this somewhat due to the ability to read facial expressions and other body language.
There is an old saying that goes soemthing like, "It's what you do when nobody is looking that defines your character." See above.
Conflict and war can be social drivers, it's true. But real social development happens under peaceful circumstance. You have to beat the survival equation before you can devote resource to higher level things like music, art, and space travel, and play. I mean, nobody will kick back and compose a symphony if sharpening your axe before the next wave of Celts invades is your top priority.
So EvE is really an example of "sactioned dysinhibition", mainly because it's all fake with only momentary emotions at stake. American football is very similar. You can deliver career ending punishment in-game. But if you did that same stuff out-of-game, you'd be in prison.
Don't even get me started on the male adolecsents compensating for an inferiority complex in Null sec... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2681
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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Ahhh, this entire thread takes me back to high school ethics and philosophy classes.
Those conversations were just as filled with "shocking insights" and "brutal truth"... completely ignoring the fact that people ranging from respected philosophers to angst ridden teens have been kicking the same worn out supposed truisms around for thousands of years.
Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
90
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:59:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.
When people talk about human nature, they're speaking of universal commonalities not varying personalities . |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
598
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:09:00 -
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There's been a fair amount of studies done into this, so took the liberty of rounding some of them up for your perusal.
New study suggests humans are not naturally violent.
Are humans Innately aggressive?
Early humans were prey, not predators. So were not warlike.
I know there's more links because i've discussed this before, but that should do for now. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2682
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:14:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.
When people talk about human nature, they're speaking of universal commonalities not varying personalities .
Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
90
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:20:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away.
Are you implying human nature doesn't exist? I'm not sure what you're saying. Tabula rasa confirmed bunk with the onset of Genetics. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1353
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:30:00 -
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I think in RL there's a pull towards collective effort and justice. We all generally want to live with some sort of safety, and we care about our children.
In EvE, we don't care if we die, and if we had children in eve I'd just as soon use mine as a guidance system on my torpedoes.
EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2682
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:32:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away. Are you implying human nature doesn't exist? I'm not sure what you're saying. Tabula rasa confirmed bunk with the onset of Genetics. What human nature is, and indeed the existance of something that can even be called "human nature", has been hotly debated for centuries... with first one school of thought and then another holding dominance as the accepted "truth". Debating it and how it relates to virtual reality on a gaming forum isn't something I choose to take too seriously. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
598
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:32:00 -
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Gogela wrote:EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p
I have a theory the human race tricked all the most violent and sociopathic to travel through the EVE gate, and have enjoyed centuries of peace ever since. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
84
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:50:00 -
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As I said people are still chimps, although some chimps ie; me, are far more advanced then most others who are only once removed from their knuckle dragging forefathers, I try to get chimps here to cooperate and divide the banana and chimps respond with fits of poo slinging. your right chimps have a dark side and more evolved chimps can control themselves, what chimps here don't realize is this game is the aliens way of testing how chimpmanity would do if given such technology...now let me put back on my tin foil hat on before they find me. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1649
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:54:00 -
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Gogela wrote:EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p We only need to work on RL immortality then.
Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we: Bump miners Gank freighters Use falcon Blob Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
873
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:58:00 -
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Ritsum wrote: But seriously humans thrive on Death and Destruction. We fight to survive, it is in our nature. How advanced a civilization is/was is based on their military might, not the science and religion
Witch is still a middle age attitude, but well after 800years of obscurantism and witch hunting nothing better to expect from unintelligent people. Our society needs at least another 200 years before it gets rid of this archaic model based on personal success and narcissistic culture promotion (witch in turn is a much better way or at least less primordial to rule individuals, change bullets and wip for psychological stress, and it works)
Now to pick up your last sentence I can safely say religion didn't worked out well for humanity (obscurantism), wars and whatever their size is have already shown too it doesn't work. Now it's time to leave a chance and a nice try to science, not the military controlled one finishing in another and more powerful bomb when there's already more than enough to send us all to hell twice, it can't be worst than previous 2.
And on a non serious note, if I had to choose in between heaven and hell I'd probably pick hell, because there's where the fun ladies are. brb |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:57:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. And on that note, some people try so hard to tare everyone down to elevate themselves or to appear on equal levels as they themselves practice the horrors that they claim everyone else is doing.
This can also be associated with "projection", where they accuse someone or everyone of doing certain unethical acts while they themselves are actually the only ones doing such things. In other words, projecting their acts or low standards onto someone else as if others are guilty of doing such things when in reality it's just themselves doing such things. My sister does this all the time, it drives us all nuts. It's sort of like a little justification clause to ease her conscience as she runs havoc, serious havoc through peoples lives. Gets worse over time too, like a train wreck. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
189
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:11:00 -
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So many shocking insights and brutal truths in this thread!
thread is way to TL;DR for my attention span.
Eve online like any MMO is full of a$$ holes, cool people, (filthy) casuals. But for most people as I stated earlier. Its just a game. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Dessau
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:15:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we:
Bump miners Gank freighters Use falcon Blob Nono, the first two prove you are a ~belligerent undesirable~, the latter two prove you are a ~dishonorable scoundrel~.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:22:00 -
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Removed a post. Racist remarks, even silly ones in jest, are not allowed. CCP Eterne | Community Representative
@CCP_Eterne |
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Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:26:00 -
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Dessau wrote: ~dishonorable scoundrel~. I don't see anything inherently wrong with falcons or blobs. So if a blob of falcons protect an industrial fleet from pirates, they are dishonorable scoundrels? "Fairness" is reserved for fairy tales.
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