Children are taught that all people are equal. Some adults are so stupid they still believe it. I think you're right, they do hold humanity back OP

If only there were a way we could cleanse the world of these parasites.

Children are taught that all people are equal.

How advanced a civilization is/was is based on their military might, not the science and religion.

Posting in a stealth Miner Bumping whine thread

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.

Is this an excerpt from Mein Kampf?

Any race you want to single out?

Are you saying it's just a copy and paste effort?

That's really sad. And a weak troll.

It's not an excerpt, is that what you're saying?

I guess some people just can't handle the cold, hard style of truth telling OP is dishing out

Not only will you see us for who we actually are, then CCP can call this game a TRUE sandbox...

Maybe it's just the people I fly with

It is

Kindness and empathy are complex survival mechanisms and as soon as you think you're doing something selfless you're now doing it for yourself, you sanctimonious boob.

While I am in favour of boobs in general I do not approve of you sullying boob's good name by using it as a lame insult.

Also I'm well aware of evolutionary psychology in general and that there is truly no such thing as a selfless act. However if I constantly believed that I would throw myself off a bridge.

(By the way, interpretation of reality is a survival trait too).

Are you saying it's just a copy and paste effort?

That's really sad. And a weak troll.

I wasn't calling you a boob, I was calling the hypothetical "you" a boob as soon as he thought he was doing something selfless.

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself?

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.

While I am in favour of boobs in general

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

It does map well to our current reality in the modern world, and its current trajectory. Specifically, this is humanity under capitalism as an overarching system to live under (I love capitalism, but not as the center of our world systems).

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities.

The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Strong can mean more than just physically strong. I'm sure you've met someone who you would call a 'weak' person, and you weren't suggesting you could lift more than him.

Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.

When people talk about human nature, they're speaking of universal commonalities not varying personalities .

Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away.

Are you implying human nature doesn't exist? I'm not sure what you're saying. Tabula rasa confirmed bunk with the onset of Genetics.

EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p

EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p

But seriously humans thrive on Death and Destruction.
We fight to survive, it is in our nature.
How advanced a civilization is/was is based on their military might, not the science and religion

Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person.

Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we:

Bump miners
Gank freighters
Use falcon
Blob

~dishonorable scoundrel~.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with falcons or blobs. So if a blob of falcons protect an industrial fleet from pirates, they are dishonorable scoundrels? "Fairness" is reserved for fairy tales.

Sorry, the tildes of facetiousness must be malfunctioning. User error here.

If eve reflected what humanity truly is, it would mean girls are 5% of the population, and women would be so rare that every time they speak to a male it would be an exciting experience O_o

I mean don't tell me you haven't had at least one of those times when a girl comes onto corp/alliance coms and everyone is like WHAT A GIRL!?>!??

Removed a post. Racist remarks, even silly ones in jest, are not allowed.

We only need to work on RL immortality then.

Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we:
Bump miners
Gank freighters
Use falcon
Blob

EVE is what happens to men when they don't have women around to keep them from ripping each other to shreds.

as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.

The true nature of humanity is staring at multiple boxes on a screen and mashing F1.

btw.. I disagree with you. Only some Humans have a dark nature; you are over-generalizing. Granted, we are all flawed in one fashion or another, and many of us have plenty of problems, while some of us even have a beastly nature despite all attempts to be otherwise. Can't be helped.

That doesn't mean we are evil however, and it certainly doesn't mean society is preventing us from giving in to this nature. Actually, the darkest of us are likely the products of our society, more so that being of a nature predisposed to that darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHA7p9t4yCQ

Some of us are just that, and the predisposition to this nature makes us vulnerable to that other nature. It is the environment we grow up in and experience as we mature that determines whether we will begin to fall into that nature of darkness. The two aren't so far apart really, and most of us have some measure of wildness to us.

All you have to do is look at history and the greatest evils committed therein, to see the truth of the matter, and where evil truly finds its home.

It is the rich and powerful who wage the wars, but it is the poor that fight them. People need to realise, though, that in that, it is the poor that then have power over the rich - as soon as the poor refuse to fight, then the rich lose their power. So power itself is not a currency for domination and control - how you wield it, however, makes all the difference.

btw.. I disagree with you. Only some Humans have a dark nature

It's called Swindon

You can carry one of two mindsets in this situation - either he is unproductive and therefore needs to be culled so as not to weigh down humanity, or he is unproductive and therefore he can be MADE TO BE PRODUCTIVE and become a benefit to society. Why destroy what you can use yourself?One way of thinking is destructive and wasteful, the other is creative and useful. ...

Evil is a relative term

Have you guys considered how it would look if society crumbled and this veneer of civility were stripped away?

Look at what happens inside prisons, or certain areas of Africa for example.

Oh, you have it all backwards. Yes, the cultural pessimist's sloppy fantasy of society being suddenly "stripped away" would likely result in a lot of Bad Things(tm) happening. Leaving the ridiculous notion of such societal collapse aside for the moment, the resulting carnage is not caused by man being naturally violent and nasty - it's caused by man being naturally peaceful and cooperative.

Living in a structured society is man's natural state of being. Fifteen strangers become shipwrecked on a deserted island and the first thing that happens: someone takes charge and starts dividing tasks. Rudimentary society is born.

Now, take any particularly large and complexly structured society and strip that away, the shock is so great that a degree of anarchy sets in before society re-asserts itself. It's a neurosis. It's like a dog going apeshit when you try to make him live in a small room. It offends the natural state so much that behavioral patterns no longer "click." Unpredictable, destructive behavior emerges.

It never lasts very long, a generation or two at most. The anarchic state usually sprouts a new, structured society fairly quickly as people become fed up with getting beaten to death over the nearest loaf of bread. Where society fails to emerge, the remnants immolate themselves. Anarchy never thrives.

We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority.

And what happens? Bad things.

My bone with that statement - and excuse me if I'm being daft - is that it is essentially meaningless.

"You know what happens to people if they don't breathe? They asphyxiate."

Well, yes, they do. So?

I was responding to the person I quoted, who brought up the formation of society? You're never going to understand the context if you don't read it.

Of course it doesn't.

It reflects the nature of some who play this particular niche game.

Don't be fooled into thinking that the lack of empathy from many who play this game and post on here is a cross section of life on the planet. I know all players I come across in the game are real people. Going by what I read here though, there's many who like to post that don't... Well I'd like to think that at least. Otherwise they truly are 1 dimensional self righteous arseholes who get kicks from stomping on others for their own gain & enjoyment.

I think most just don't quite get it and are riding the wave of anonymity / fantasy role play. If really faced with someone they just caused pain, I believe many would back track a little to undo any discomfort for them. Empathy, compassion.

Yes.

I'm a care bear.

I love you all... Unless you are a true toss wad without any remorse for willing or unwilling pain you inflict on others. Then I only care for those who may feel for you. You can go f@#k yourself.

Never mistake empathy for others as a weakness.

It's a strength.

Except for where you didn't quote anyone

Dalneya Yakovtu

Have you guys considered how it would look if society crumbled and this veneer of civility were stripped away?

Look at what happens inside prisons, or certain areas of Africa for example.

What was your point with this? I took it to mean something about how nasty you think human nature is, in line with your previous posts especially at the start of this thread. But if societal behavior is the natural state of man, then man's behavior in an unnatural state (ie. no society) is just as relevant as the assertion that man dies when he doesn't breathe. Which is not very relevant at all.

Human nature pertains to the individual, society pertains to humanity.

The two can't be separated. Society is the sum of its parts. In order for a structured society to be the natural state of man, it must be "human nature" at the individual level to want to seek out other people and make societies with them.

We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority.

You don't need to separate them, it's natural for humans to form society in order to protect themselves from other individuals.

This assumes that society is an evolutionary adaptation to protect the species from itself, which is absurd.

[quote=Dalneya Yakovtu][quote=Azumi Zimu]
What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?

Nothing.

What is absurd is the idea that an animal with no other strong evolutionary advantage could ever be successful enough that it would need to develop mechanisms to protect it from itself. Societal behavior must have developed as a survival mechanism first in order for humans to ever become a credible threat to each other. Otherwise the species would have killed itself off in very short order.

It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.

Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say?

I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior.

Did you even read the beginning of my post?

Nope. As it was obvious it came from a accredited armchair psychologist such as yourself, I thought I'd waste no time at it and jump right into the middle of it.

Society isn't unique to humans, it's found in similar forms throughout mammalia. You're making the mistake of glorifying humanity and it doesn't surprise me considering your outlook. We study social interaction in monkeys, even dolphin pods. You know, dolphins can defend themselves against and even kill a shark, this is relevant to what we're discussing.

It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.