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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:08:00 -
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Smokescreen? Accusing Thukker of making sacrifices to BloodRaider? Please point this out to me...
Honestly dont remember saying that but I could be wrong... it happens.
As my colleague has already poointe dout you need to read this communication.
I also see this is your first ever post. How wonderful that it needs to on such a controversial subject! How strange...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 08:12:00 -
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PIE has not been duped Mahhy.
As has been outlined elsewhere we know the reason why Myadra was working there.
Now, Xavier X, is a different matter and I shall be having a chat.
What I find interesting is that Ubiqua Seraph, a fellow Amarrian corp, who we work with regularly has jumped on this subject with some glee.
If they had an issue they could have come and talked to me privately and raised this issue. Instead they come on GalNet to do so.
While the issue is legitimate and will be investigated there are proper processes for doing these things and UQS have certainly not followed those - which is very dissappointing!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 08:52:47
Just to add to this...
PIE as a corporation has a multitude of pilots with extremely high Amarr standings. In fact as a Corporation we have one of the best Amarrian standings in the galaxy.
PIE pilots should not be working for factions in opposition to the Empire unless in very special circumstances (i.e. Myadra). I have reiterated this guidance to our pilots yet again.
PIE pilots who work for opposing factions AFTER joining PIE will receive a warning and then be expelled if they do not adjust their ways.
Some of our pilots do join with negative standings. That is a fact of life. Many Amarrians have turned from the Empire and it is our job to bring them back into the light and onto the right path.
Those pilots who do join with negative standings towards our glorious Empire are expected to ensure that those standings do not become any worse and indeed to repair their relations with the Empire while members of PIE.
I have reiterated that guidance in our private comms channels once again.
I do not think that ANYONE can question our loyalty and devotion to the Empire or the work we do on its behalf. This quibble about the behaviour of two out of +100 pilots demonstrates how low some people will sink in their efforts to knock us.
While I appreciate the fact that this matter has been raised I am extremely sceptical of the motives of those behind it.
It seems that some are more interested in slinging mud than working for the benefit of the Amarrian Empire.
Well so be it. This act and the 'loyalty' it demonstrates will be remembered...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 09:47:41
To Jakk:
I have no doubt that if were pedantic enough to do it we could find all sort of interesting 'pecularities' in the track record of SF pilots, and to be honest any corp we are in conflict with.
I think it says something that we are not DESPERATE enough to have to do that sort of thing. Our fleets do our talking for us in space where it matters.
By go ahead all means continue to fill GalNet with your inane criticisms. After all its the only place you can make your point...
My statement above positively lays out PIE's position on this issue. It explains what our policy is and what action will be.
As I have stated we made an exception in the case of Myadra. With regard Xavier X I will as already stated be having a word with that pilot when our paths cross. If he is not willing to comply he will be expelled from the Corporation. I have also taken the action of reiterating our policy to our pilots once again.
You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds.
Nor do you know how this is all going to turn out.
So I would advise against digging yourself a deeper pit or you may just end up with a year's supply of egg on your face...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Graelyn
It's the stupidest possible course of action that could be decided upon, but if you want to take it there, fine.
Graelyn
Yes you informed us about Myadra's actions and yes you were given a reason for them as were we and as was the entire universe.
I know as you do that there have been 'certain' people who have decided to make this a bigger issue than it warrants. YOU KNOW that it is not PIE that has stirred this up.
My post above CLEARLY lays out PIE's policy on the issue of pilots working for anti-Amarrian factions. This policy has been reiterated to PIE pilots. I have stated that PIE pilots breaking the policy will be expelled. What more do you want me to do?
Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion. Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
Huh?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Our "issue" with Myadra was dealt with privately and on all occasions we were told it was none of our business.
It isn't any of your business. At least not so much part of your business that you should seek to stir emnity on GalNet.
When we were informed of Myadra's actions we did take internal action. We found out why Myadra was doing what she was doing and accepted that on compassionate grounds.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
You would now condemn us for not using the "proper processes" because you fear being judged by the public, while seeing it fit to ignore our private pleas for explaination?
I, as CEO, have not received one 'private plee' from UQS in relation to this issue. Graelyn as mentioned above did speak to us however afaik he is not UQS. To be honest you would have got the same answer that he got which is that we have made an exception in this case.
I am glad the issue of Xavier X has come to light.
But again can I reiterate that until last night NO ONE had informed me of that issue and I WILL take action over it.
I find it dissappointing that people decide to stir this issue on GalNet to the clear delight of our Minmatar and Gallente enemies with no strong reasoning to support such action.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Despite all this, and any personal opinions on the matter, we still offer assistance in recovering Myadra's sister which goes unnoticed and unthanked..
I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
We understand quite well that only in the Kingdom of God can you ultimately be judged on your mortal existance. However, if you wish to turn your statement of working with us regularily, into something more than a blatant lie, you need to regain some control over your corporation.
This is exactly the sort of statement that makes me wonder what your agenda is. As for the blatant lie I suggest you speak to your pilot Jaketh Ivanes who just this week made up part of anti-pirate activities and even joined our voice comms as we hunted enemies of the Amarr Empire.
Contrary to what you might think many in PIE and the CVA do respect the work of UQS and the VAST MAJORITY of its pilots.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:40:06
Originally by: Graelyn
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Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
It's sickening and disgusting. No if's and's or but's. This attitude has (literaly) destroyed Alliances, and makes the Empire less safe. It churns my very stomach.
Graelyn, I can only assume from your reaction that you thought this was directed at you. It was not.
Nevertheless it is a plain fact that there is a VERY SMALL group who go out of their way to cause Amarr emnity.
To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say.
We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case.
As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening.
We are not happy with what Myadra has been forced to do. No real Amarrian would be. But as I have also said above (and I wish people would fully read my posts) an exception was made for good reasons. It was a no win situation.
If we had condemned Myadra's sister to a life of torment I would have no doubt that Jakk and all the other enemies of Amarr that are taking a delight in this thread would be knocking us for being 'heartless beasts'. That is why issues such as this should stay off GalNet - unless you want to give the enemies of Amarr succour as some seem to want to do...
At the end of the day the real criminals are the Blood Raiders and they shall pay for their crimes, have no fear...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:28:52
Originally by: Soratah
I, a member of UQS have attempted to offer aid to you and Myadra in her desperate situation. All my High Council members requested were some information on a political nature to clarify the situation more.
Past history aside, we extend the olive branch by trying to offer aid and it is met with nothing but rebuttal. Rebuttal and insinuations of a most awful nature. What else can we do?
I, like many others have worked with PIE to protect our beloved empire from tyranny. We also value our relationship with you.
I refer you to the answer I gave to your colleague some moments before:
Originally by: Hardin
I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening.
And also to this:
Originally by: Hardin
To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say.
We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case.
As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:39:04
Originally by: Graelyn
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Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion?
Not a good arguement. If House Sarum were guilty of these crimes, my dying breath would probably be spent fighting them. You are not above reproach. You are responsible for the actions of your members, or at least in investigating and correcting such actions.
Not a good arguement if taken out of context. The conext being my statement of steps taken within PIE both when you informed us of Myadra's work for the Blood Raiders and subsequent internal actions (already mentioned) which you cannot be aware of as they were internal to PIE.
Just so you are aware let me post a section of an internal PIE communication that sets our position on these matters:
"I have said this before but can I remind pilots of PIE that they are working for the premier organisation defending Amarr from terrorists and pirates...
Your actions are meant to reflect this ideology.
PIE pilots should not be working for anti-Amarr factions. FULLSTOP.
Anyone caught doing such missions will be EXPELLED from the corp unless a VERY VERY GOOD reason is provided...
If you join PIE with a high anti-Amarr standing then we also expect an effort will be made to improve your Amarr standing to a respectable level..."
Do you think that is clear enough?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:57:00 -
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You are entitled to your opinions Jakk and Graelyn 
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
It just disturbs me that an anti-empire anarchist like myself has better standings to the Amarrian Government then some of your own pilots.
And I also have satisfactorily negative standings to the pirates infesting Amarr space, and very low Gallente and Minmatar standings.
What you do in your own spare time is non of my business... I would suggest that if your standings are disturbing to you then you do something about it...
Neverthless your actions on behalf of the Empire are noted. Maybe I will let your pod escape next time we meet in space. Although to be honest finding a Star Fraction pilot in space is actually a fairly difficult task
Originally by: theRaptor
Yet you cant accept questioning about your pilots involvement in one of the most despicable pirate forces in known space?
Questions were raised and have been answered.
Originally by: theRaptor
One would think that you would be more worried about stamping them out, then killing the pathetic excuse for pirates that inhabit providence.
I am sure m0o, Legion and the Sanshas Nation will all disagree with your assessment of their capabilities.
Originally by: theRaptor
But of course I am an unreligous barbarian so I can not comment. However you can be guranteed that I will be making a formal complaint about your behaviour to my contacts in the Ministry of Internal Order.
I hope they shoot you for doing such an impertinent thing 
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 13:20:21
A fair comment Mahhy.
More information will be revealed shortly but you can rest assured that a 'reward' is not the motivation here.
People can judge as they wish... but someone who rushes to judgement without all the facts (and when the issue is still ongoing) is (as I said to someone earlier) liable to end up with egg on his (or her) face. 
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:28:00 -
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Oh be quiet Star Fraction
Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions.
Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot.
Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:34:00 -
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Thank you Shira.
Though we disagree on most matters you have reached the right conclusion on this one.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:25:00 -
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Rumours abound
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