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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.04 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: ALTNAME on 04/04/2005 09:48:26
To suggest that ccp does not completely pander to the frigate loving section of this game is ridiculous
1. Turrets
2. Missiles
3. Web speeds proposed nerfing(later implemnted, range is pointless, if they can still maintain ridiculous speeds
4. Chance based ECM
5. Scorpion completely screwed, its bonuses taken away, Frigs old enemy wasnt it?
6. Tech 2 launchers nonexistent
7. Tech 2 Cap module availability? Perhaps able to tank frig damage efficiently is not very nice
8. Warp core stabilizers proposed nerf into uselessness(not a guarantee, therefore not to be used)
9. tacklers job
and setups made easier. With new bombers, and an inability to strike frigates, one tackler may hold the battleship
still for 3 cruise missiles every volley from one of his friends, who cannot be hit, because hitting frigs with
WEAPONS LARGER THAN SMALL IS UNFAIR, oh really? The missile damage from the battleship would be 'scaled' of course
to the sig radius of the bomber.
So you have a problem with frigates? no, I dont. This game does. And it better fix it, because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in something else entirely.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE SURVIVING ANY BATTLESHIP EASIER THAN ANOTHER FRIGATE, Pathetic.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.04.04 09:50:00 -
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someone should hardcode you into a frigate for a month or two
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.04.04 09:59:00 -
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You're reasoning is great. Lets see:
Q: What evidence can you put forward that CCP loves frigates?
A: Turrets. Missiles.
I see, because turrets and missiles exist.... what?
Q: What ships were the frigs old enemy?
A: Scorpion.
Wrong, no more than any other CM equipped BS, which is.... all of them except the geddon, and the domi, (which just swats frigs with light and med drones). Raven was the worst. The scorp losing its damage bonus for ECM is only going to benefit BS ECM, because it has enough HP to survive when its jam fails ot hit that round, unlike a BB.
Next: T2 launchers non-existant. But seeing as CMs aren't supposed to own frigates, how will this help?
Q: Why do we need T2 CPRs?
A: Oh I dont know, its because BS tanks are really struggling with smaller ship damage, isnt it?
Or, is it because of the prevalence of GANK FITTED BS that is the only thing able to break BS tanks - and now T2 BS tank mods are coming out, so theBS pilots have it even better.
Q: WCS are getting nerfedl, arent they? Wont this be the end o fthe world for competent PvP BS pilots?
A: Yes, thats right!
Or, No, they're not, and no, it sure as hell wont.
Q: Web speed nerf is still in the ECM patch isnt it? And dont you think its ridiculous that inties can stay alive AT ALL due to speed, rather than being slightly different frmo plain old having massive tanks?
A: Yeah, having diversity in a game is rubbish. Inties should stay alive by having BS tanks. Oh, but they should be hit normally like a BS too. And have large weapons.
Or, you're so utterly full of **** its unbeleivable.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:02:00 -
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 Originally by: ALTNAME
9. tacklers job and setups made easier. With new bombers, and an inability to strike frigates, one tackler may hold the battleship still for 3 cruise missiles every volley from one of his friends, who cannot be hit, because hitting frigs with WEAPONS LARGER THAN SMALL IS UNFAIR, oh really? The missile damage from the battleship would be 'scaled' of course to the sig radius of the bomber.
So you have a problem with frigates? no, I dont. This game does. And it better fix it, because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in something else entirely.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE SURVIVING ANY BATTLESHIP EASIER THAN ANOTHER FRIGATE, Pathetic.
Very much wrong.
As a dedicated tackler I'm very much afraid of the new changes.
You are mixing things together, there is no missile nerf in the patch so the job of a tackler is much harder and a scorpion and a raven are now almost impossible to tackle.
This is because the duration of warp scramblers and webifiers has been decreased to 5 seconds,
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There, that's all the duration that the ship can be tackled for. This means that fly-by tackling, which is the only viable alternative for a frigate to tackle a ship carrying lots of missiles or smartbombs, is now impossible since you need more than five seconds to make another run.
Why you are mixing the bombers into this I have no idea.
So what are we going to see in this patch?
New missiles: no.
Shorter duration of propulsion jamming: yes
More cap usage for EW modules: yes
So what exactly are you trying to say? That frigates are overpowered?
That is incorrect.
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:19:00 -
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Please dont feed the trolls, move along
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
Please dont feed the trolls, move along
Haven't seen that written anywhere since I used to use it in DAoC...
Classic.
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:34:00 -
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So does this mean you're leaving EVE?
Woohoo! 
Oh, pre-emptive can I have your stuff? 
p.s. (thought I should be a little constructive...) Once again, your points seem not to have anything to do with the argument you have. I could say why but having watched Lorth in your last thread I don't think I have the energy.
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Kelene
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:51:00 -
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Mr Altname, the idea is to have support for your battleship! no ship type in this game should be able to do everything, e.g you have a bs.... take a cruiser or 2 with you, or perish the thought.... use your own frigs 
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Liu Bei
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
someone should hardcode you into a frigate for a month or two
well said.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:08:00 -
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you're an idiot and warp core stabs are overpowered.
any comments?
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:08:00 -
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Frigates are gonna get screwed in the next patch.
- Their main primary purpose gets harder (failing tackles, racial tackling and a very short duration)
- Their main form of defence in frigate-only packs is pretty much gone. Sensor dampening is the ONLY viable way to defend, and this has become almost twice as ineffective while eating a lot more cap.
- People that can learn EW skills are usally no longer flying frigates so these are not an solution.
- Tracking disruptors are useless since battleships had a hard time hitting them with guns anyway, but it won't stop mr. Cruise Missile, mr. Nosferatu & ms. Web and their lovely Ogre-children and their cousin Smartbomb.
- ECM is totally out of the window with it's ridiculous desire for cap. Almost twice a MWD. Not to mention only racials will work so you will need four ships all carrying one racial.  The only benefit is that this will make the Griffin obsolete so CCP can delete the butt-ugly ship alltogether.
- Target painters are nice but only as fleet support role for battleships. I can't imagine though anyone using them because, especially with the new patch, ANYONE will prefer to rather have another tackler then a painter.
As for frigate-only gangs I suspect we will start seeing gangs consisting only of Maulus, Incursus and Kestrels. It's nice CCP tried to make the ships more diverse with different bonuses, but in this case they haven't thought it properly through.
Also any frigate with just two med slots is also gone for PvP since because of the decrease in effectivity you will need all the EW you can get.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
someone should hardcode you into a frigate for a month or two
Agreed
Somebody said something similar to me a couple of months ago, and I have only flown Assault Frigates in fleet battles since.
They are alot of fun but difficult to fly and expensive to replace.
They are not easy to rig out. you limited cpu and power grid and with the new changes only enough cap for a couple of cycles of a warp scrambler.
Frigates, Assault or Tech I are easy to deal with, all too easy at times.
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |
theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Threepwood
So does this mean you're leaving EVE?
Woohoo!
Oh, pre-emptive can I have your stuff?
We can only hope. 
I think mister ALTNAME needs to go look at real capital ships, and the tens of support vessels they need. Every 2 month old noob in a battleship was the biggest mistake CCP ever made. If ALTNAME got his way combat squads would just fly Tier 1 BS and own him anyway. And a very good pilot can kill anything with a really underpowerd craft (like my corp mate Shintoko Akahoshi does )
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:10:00 -
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PS.
Battleships already have the most effective defences possible against frigates:
A buddy in an assault frigate or if you can't afford that, one in a destroyer.
A destroyer can own any frigate and interceptor in mere seconds. An assault frigate just has to sneeze.
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME
Edited by: ALTNAME on 04/04/2005 09:48:26
To suggest that ccp does not completely pander to the frigate loving section of this game is ridiculous
1. Turrets
2. Missiles
3. Web speeds proposed nerfing(later implemnted, range is pointless, if they can still maintain ridiculous speeds
4. Chance based ECM
5. Scorpion completely screwed, its bonuses taken away, Frigs old enemy wasnt it?
6. Tech 2 launchers nonexistent
7. Tech 2 Cap module availability? Perhaps able to tank frig damage efficiently is not very nice
8. Warp core stabilizers proposed nerf into uselessness(not a guarantee, therefore not to be used)
9. tacklers job
and setups made easier. With new bombers, and an inability to strike frigates, one tackler may hold the battleship
still for 3 cruise missiles every volley from one of his friends, who cannot be hit, because hitting frigs with
WEAPONS LARGER THAN SMALL IS UNFAIR, oh really? The missile damage from the battleship would be 'scaled' of course
to the sig radius of the bomber.
So you have a problem with frigates? no, I dont. This game does. And it better fix it, because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in something else entirely.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE SURVIVING ANY BATTLESHIP EASIER THAN ANOTHER FRIGATE, Pathetic.
ALTNAME, I seriously suggest you play the game from time to time to find out how the mechanics work. Then maybe people will take your side. Until then you will continue to be an uninformed whiner.
1 and 2. Turrets and missiles exist. Yes yes, very accurate. You wanna expand on that a little? Maybe allude as to what your point may be there?
3.So if a frigate gets webbed he's gonna stay close enough to get webbed again? I seriously doubt it. Most frigates I web get the hell outta dodge if they ever get the chance because hanging around is just plain suicidal. Besides, theres always heavy nosferatu with their amazing 25km range on the named ones that can obliterate the cap of any frigate that is using a MWD in one suck. No cap, no speed. See where I'm going with this?
4. Chance based ECM. Yep? Expand please? If anything the ew ECM ships jam more effectively now.
5. If I'm not mistaken my trusty Raven will continue to munch on anything that strays too close, frigates included. Scorpion was never the anti frigate ship.
6. So? Again expand please.
7. Where have you got the idea from that frigates can actually dent a battleship on their own? I will continue to laugh at the silly pilots who get too close to my raven and end up getting webbed, nossed and damped into oblivion.
8. Now you are just making stuff up.
9. 5 second cycle means that you can't keep a target locked down if you are tackling. No chance in hell.
Your point about bombers holds no water at all. 3 Cruise missiles is what....460 damage every 22 SECONDS. Thats the damage of one torpedo.....even a large armour repairer repairs more than that in 15 seconds. Jeebus, an Apoc can tank more than that!
Stop whining about big slow guns trying to small fast targets. Every time you bring up this argument you are given the same answer. Maybe try looking back in your past dogknowshowmany threads about the same subject? No that would be too easy now wouldn't it?
Wait.....why am I wasting my breath? You are so self assured that you are right and everyone else is wrong aren't you? Well why don't you PROVE IT!
And if you call me sweety one more time I shall report you for harrasment 
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME
giberish yadda yadda.
....sorry but are you fragm's alt?
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Arte
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:25:00 -
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To suggest that ccp does not completely pander to the frigate loving section of this game is ridiculous. The folowoing points prove my case:
1. bananas are yellow
2. fruit dumplings have fruit in them
3. WoW fairies have too much power
4. Chance based logic, someone will believe it if you say it enough
5. Darth Vader was mis-understood
6. My "I-win" button non-existant
7. Milton Keynes
8. It's raining outside
9. Vegatables
So you have a problem with frigates? I do, I'm obsessed by their uberness. Because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in frigates and conquering the galaxy, I never see battleships anywhere anymore.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE MY LIFE HELL BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE CLASS OF SHIP THAT HAS MORE SPEED THAN ME SO I CAN'T HIT THEM EASILY AND CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER WAY OF KILLING THEM EXCEPT WITH ANOTHER FRIGATE
Pathetic.
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Sulis Quintus
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arte
To suggest that ccp does not completely pander to the frigate loving section of this game is ridiculous. The folowoing points prove my case:
1. bananas are yellow
2. fruit dumplings have fruit in them
3. WoW fairies have too much power
4. Chance based logic, someone will believe it if you say it enough
5. Darth Vader was mis-understood
6. My "I-win" button non-existant
7. Milton Keynes
8. It's raining outside
9. Vegatables
So you have a problem with frigates? I do, I'm obsessed by their uberness. Because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in frigates and conquering the galaxy, I never see battleships anywhere anymore.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE MY LIFE HELL BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE CLASS OF SHIP THAT HAS MORE SPEED THAN ME SO I CAN'T HIT THEM EASILY AND CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER WAY OF KILLING THEM EXCEPT WITH ANOTHER FRIGATE
Pathetic.
You sir, are a god.
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2005.04.04 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Arte
1. bananas are yellow
2. fruit dumplings have fruit in them
3. WoW fairies have too much power
4. Chance based logic, someone will believe it if you say it enough
5. Darth Vader was mis-understood
6. My "I-win" button non-existant
7. Milton Keynes
8. It's raining outside
9. Vegatables
Those reasons did more to convince me than altnames
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2005.04.04 12:10:00 -
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ALTNAME, your a retard as proved by everyone above......
And Milton Keynes should be nerfed.. roundabouts are overpowered :(
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2005.04.04 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Threepwood
Originally by: Arte
1. bananas are yellow
2. fruit dumplings have fruit in them
3. WoW fairies have too much power
4. Chance based logic, someone will believe it if you say it enough
5. Darth Vader was mis-understood
6. My "I-win" button non-existant
7. Milton Keynes
8. It's raining outside
9. Vegatables
Those reasons did more to convince me than altnames
LOL you stole my post idea... get out of my mind!!!!!, rofl. altnames stop posting all your posts are crap
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Safaomae
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Posted - 2005.04.04 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Safaomae on 04/04/2005 12:44:46
Originally by: 4 LOM
altnames stop posting all your posts are crap
I agree.. as per the thread title, we've had it with you and your whining, now go away.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 04/04/2005 14:40:46
Originally by: Arte
To suggest that ccp does not completely pander to the frigate loving section of this game is ridiculous. The folowoing points prove my case:
1. bananas are yellow
2. fruit dumplings have fruit in them
3. WoW fairies have too much power
4. Chance based logic, someone will believe it if you say it enough
5. Darth Vader was mis-understood
6. My "I-win" button non-existant
7. Milton Keynes
8. It's raining outside
9. Vegatables
So you have a problem with frigates? I do, I'm obsessed by their uberness. Because im tired of hearing all of the bs about everyone in battleships, when everyone is in frigates and conquering the galaxy, I never see battleships anywhere anymore.
THE ULTIMATE AIM OF THE FRIGATE PILOT IS TO MAKE MY LIFE HELL BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE CLASS OF SHIP THAT HAS MORE SPEED THAN ME SO I CAN'T HIT THEM EASILY AND CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER WAY OF KILLING THEM EXCEPT WITH ANOTHER FRIGATE
Pathetic.
You sir, are a genius.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: slapp on 04/04/2005 14:59:40
propulsion jamming changes were postponed.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.04 15:16:00 -
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WTS: Light Drones x10
L33t Frigate Defense can be had for the low price of just 5m isk. Never be bothered by pesky tacklers again with my patented Hobgoblin defense systems.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.04 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: slapp
Edited by: slapp on 04/04/2005 14:59:40
propulsion jamming changes were postponed.
Not the duration changes, they are in
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.04 15:51:00 -
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Damn guys you beat me to it. I so enjoy arguing wiht ALTNAME.
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Damn guys you beat me to it. I so enjoy arguing wiht ALTNAME.
It's ok, your mere presence in these threads is enough to make him go into unfounded accusation overdrive
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:07:00 -
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Potato! 
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME
because hitting frigs with
WEAPONS LARGER THAN SMALL IS UNFAIR,
Actually, that should read, "weapons larger that small or medium"
Making frigs work is the first step to bringing back cruisers.
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