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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1669	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:10:00 - [31] - Quote Riedle wrote: Quote: Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else. Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours? Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own. Stop being such a busy body. Yeah seriously, did you walk out yesterday and get primaried by an Alphafleet or something? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Nex apparatu5 Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O. 374	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:10:00 - [32] - Quote The OP gives a whole new meaning to the words "entitled hisec pubbie"
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 871	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:11:00 - [33] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture. Other games are heavily sharded, so the elitist groups are more spread out. It is as bad in WoW(or use to be when end-game raiding was around), and I use to be in one of those "elitist guilds" so I would know. With Eve being how it is, its easier to notice with everyone being in the same place. With that, only having Goons and Test as the only "Elitist Community Groups" is actually not bad.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1669	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:11:00 - [34] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture. Don't worry, the only part of EVE that will matter soon enough is highsec. You're safe under the eyes of CONCORD. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:12:00 - [35] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Riedle wrote: Quote: Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else. Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours? Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own. Stop being such a busy body. Yeah seriously, did you walk out yesterday and get primaried by an Alphafleet or something? I am directly affected by this elitism on a regular basis. I was traveling in Northern Nullsec a few days ago, I said "hi, how's everybody doing?" in local. I was quickly insulted and attacked because I wasn't part of your little group. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Ghazu 238	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:13:00 - [36] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: You are complaining about the two biggest ******* alliances being assholes. Why would you even want to join them anyway? They can do whatever they want with their recruiting. If they are using stupid rules and methods for their recruiting then that just goes to show how just how stupid they are. Stupid is as stupid does. Now with that understood are you proud to be affiliated with them through those forums? Ok renter with funny names. http://www.minerbumping.com/
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:13:00 - [37] - Quote 0/1000 Not a veteran, just bitter..
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:14:00 - [38] - Quote Nex apparatu5 wrote: The OP gives a whole new meaning to the words "entitled hisec pubbie" I spend most of my time in Null Sec. I only go to high sec to deal with corporate activities - I live in Northern Nullsec. I am regularly attacked in local. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Seatox Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 49	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:15:00 - [39] - Quote Prencleeve, Den, whatever you want to call yourself. In all seriousness, you need to stop posting on the internet and go see a bunch of mental health professionals.
Ritsum Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:16:00 - [40] - Quote while I think that joining a corp is a hard thing to do nowadays you still have to remember that these corps and alliances are brittle things, they have to be tough on the recruitment side because they do not want there little group to crumble. Basing it on posts in a forum is a great idea because they then have a reference to go by for that person. ~past posts etc~ The way the members behave is not based on who is allowed to join but more to the point that like minded people tend to gather together, meaning all the goons will be like goons even if they where not in that alliance/corps. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1669	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:17:00 - [41] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: The OP gives a whole new meaning to the words "entitled hisec pubbie" I spend most of my time in Null Sec. I only go to high sec to deal with corporate activities - I live in Northern Nullsec. I am regularly attacked in local. Good for you. o7 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:17:00 - [42] - Quote I've been personally attacked for being a pubbie 4 times since posting this thread. This is an example of why cultural elitism is a bad thing for me, for you and for the growing new-player base in EVE. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 2	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:18:00 - [43] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: So you complain about the existence of other forums that deal with eve. Ok. I'm complaining about the following: - People who aren't a member of these "external" forums have significantly less opportunities in null sec - The generalization of a very diverse group of people - The cultural elitism - Active and long-standing members of these communities are being rejected because of strict posting requirements Well, I think we should petition CCP to fund a well equipped paramilitary force to violently shut down any and all community servers/providers which are hosting forums and/or knowledge bases not in conjunction with our own alignment/opponions. Who's with me? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Remnant Madeveda Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore 35	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:19:00 - [44] - Quote ITT someone realizes that local is **** in game, much like the OP here. Congratulations Preencleeve, and thanks for the :tenbux: again. I'm sure the overlords appreciate it.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1669	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:19:00 - [45] - Quote Debora Tsung wrote: Den Arius wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: So you complain about the existence of other forums that deal with eve. Ok. I'm complaining about the following: - People who aren't a member of these "external" forums have significantly less opportunities in null sec - The generalization of a very diverse group of people - The cultural elitism - Active and long-standing members of these communities are being rejected because of strict posting requirements Well, I think we should petition CCP to fund a well equipped paramilitary force to violently shut down any and all community servers/providers which are hosting forums and/or knowledge bases not in conjunction with our own alignment/opponions. Who's with me? Let's do this thing. Also, get them to remove the person who started the thread. It's very much against my alignment and opinions. And a bad poster. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Robert De'Arneth 215	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:20:00 - [46] - Quote I fail to see an issue, Corps have right to deny entry to anyone. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 346	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:20:00 - [47] - Quote Den Arius wrote: A few months ago, The Mittani was launching a cultural purge of what he defined as ~bad posting~ within his space empire. We are seeing very dark and grim social relations develop here in New Eden - a different kind of elitism. I designed a poster for said cultural revolution. I won 500mil isk because people liked it. I'm not even a member of Goonswarm Fed let alone Goonwaffe. Just food for thought. p.s. obligatory "Oh hi Prencleeve!" Aren't you evading ban? I think you are.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:20:00 - [48] - Quote Remnant Madeveda wrote: ITT someone realizes that local is ** in game, much like the OP here. Congratulations Preencleeve, and thanks for the :tenbux: again. I'm sure the overlords appreciate it. Something Awful admins have even started permanently probating people because of not posting in their "style". They won't even accept the $10 to unban the account, they're permanently denying people the opportunity to post or ever become part of the community. This is directly related to EVE - this elitism is a two way thing. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite** a revolution.
Ghazu 238	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:22:00 - [49] - Quote Hi Prencleeve or Prencleeve's dad, how are you doing? What happened to the Assyrian Coalition? http://i.imgur.com/KaafI.jpg well black mark fell, GJ! http://www.minerbumping.com/
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 1	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:25:00 - [50] - Quote I think its wise to take a look at the Russian situation down in the south. The russians joined as a community and then played with the mechanics without causing grief or distress to other people who weren't part of their russian community. When spending time in the south, I'm rarely attacked for not being Russian or Solar Fleet. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Wibla Tactical Narcotics Team 111	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:27:00 - [51] - Quote You stalked The Mittani, you shitposted on SA, and now you feel 'persecuted'? This gets better and better Get out.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 1	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:30:00 - [52] - Quote Wibla wrote: You stalked The Mittani, you shitposted on SA, and now you feel 'persecuted'? This gets better and better Get out. This is exactly what I mean. Cultural elitism is being used to stir up irrelevant points because of some "posting" superiority. It is crazy. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Vertisce Soritenshi Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 1823	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:30:00 - [53] - Quote Ghazu wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: You are complaining about the two biggest ***** alliances being assholes. Why would you even want to join them anyway? They can do whatever they want with their recruiting. If they are using stupid rules and methods for their recruiting then that just goes to show how just how stupid they are. Stupid is as stupid does. Now with that understood are you proud to be affiliated with them through those forums? Ok renter with funny names. Ok Goon pet. You need to learn what a "renter" is. Hint: It's somebody that pays rent. At least I am not afraid to reveal my alliance and corp, unlike some people. That and my name doesn't sound like the sound made when someone sneezes... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!**
Plexas Aideron Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:30:00 - [54] - Quote i thought being irrelevant was the whole point of this thread?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:32:00 - [55] - Quote Wow, you actually stalked someone?
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 52	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:33:00 - [56] - Quote Den Arius wrote: I've been personally attacked for being a pubbie 4 times since posting this thread. This is an example of why cultural elitism is a bad thing for me, for you and for the growing new-player base in EVE. The term "pubbie" has been used extensively in many video game communities prior to it being adopted in Eve by certain elitists. If anything it will make a player that has played MOBAs or FPSs feel right at home if they are a new player to eve. It's kind of cute that the term is used in Eve, considering it originates from games where a player can play primarily in PUGs (thus being a pubbie, public match player). I dont' think there is really much PUGs going on in Eve, except for maybe Lolcursions.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 2	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:34:00 - [57] - Quote Den Arius wrote: I think its wise to take a look at the Russian situation down in the south. The russians joined as a community and then played with the mechanics without causing grief or distress to other people who weren't part of their russian community. When spending time in the south, I'm rarely attacked for not being Russian or Solar Fleet. I can, with pride, say that the only russian in our little corp did not leave because we forced him to, but of his own accord and without further encouragement from us. Despite the fact that he at times got drunk and randomly insulted people on Teamspeak during alliance ops. I therefore would like to promote The Investment Bankers Guild to the most open minded and tolerant coorporation of new eden. The thing with the petition about the well armed paramilitary force to shut down other forums is still active, please add further ideas to get rid of strange people with different oppinions, in this thread, I want that petition to be as solid and waterprof as possible. Thanks for your effort in advance etc. etc. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Wibla Tactical Narcotics Team 112	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:40:00 - [58] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Wibla wrote: You stalked The Mittani, you shitposted on SA, and now you feel 'persecuted'? This gets better and better Get out. This is exactly what I mean. Cultural elitism is being used to stir up irrelevant points because of some "posting" superiority. It is crazy. So it's cultural elitism when we expect that people don't behave like complete shitheels? Welcome to the realities of being on a moderated forum, are you enjoying your 100k hour probation?
Vellamo Lyr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:42:00 - [59] - Quote lol
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 315	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:42:00 - [60] - Quote Den Arius wrote: This is exactly what I mean. Cultural elitism is being used to stir up irrelevant points because of some "posting" superiority. It is crazy. No, you're just madder then a bag full of cats, and you don't get that you really need to spend more time meeting real people and socialising rather then going onto internet forums or spaceship games, getting trolled due to previous situation vis a vis bag of cats and then going nuts when you take it personally. This is like, what, the 3rd time I've seen you start publicly posting stuff which is just going to attract that sort of attention? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

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