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Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:37:00 - [1] - Quote Reddit, Something Awful and the the Arcade Penny forums. These are all external communities which have reformed inside EVE Online as alliances and corporations - manifested mainly in Test Alliance: Please Ignore and the Goonswarm Federation. This alliances are arguably the most successful in the game, and are without a doubt the largest 0.0 entities. Why? Presumably it would be to with the cultural and social ties in which these "communities" already have? Personally, I think it is more to do with "trust" issues corporations have with recruiting complete strangers - it is much easier to trust somebody who shares the same social ties with yourself. The way in which SA and Reddit have brought themselves into EVE is understandable, however these corporations have taken "community spirit" to an entirely new level of disgusting elitism and rejection. Being a member of these communities isn't enough anymore, there are strict posting requirements which members must meet before being able to join these alliances. Test Alliance is regularly rejecting 2 year + active posters on Reddit because they're posting several threads everyday. It is absolutely shocking! Whether it is cultural paranoia or a fear of spies -- this is not good. Some of you may remember the infamous Band of Brothers - they were rejecting anybody who did not meet their criteria for ~elite PVP~. BOB had ludicrous SP requirements and a strong stance against the new player base of New Eden (they were the equivalent of the racist old man who lives next door). Can you see the similarities between what is going on in the HBC and CFC and what BOB was doing all of those years ago? People are not members of these communities have been given very negative nicknames - Pubbie and Publord are popular amongst the Goons. JFG (join for guild) is also a popular slur, as well as just outright naming them out as a "spai". It has created a division in EVE, the Pubdom and the ~cultural elites~. A few months ago, The Mittani was launching a cultural purge of what he defined as ~bad posting~ within his space empire. We are seeing very dark and grim social relations develop here in New Eden - a different kind of elitism. I'd like to know your thoughts on this growing trend in EVE and more importantly - how we can stop it. - Den Prencleeve Grothsmore General Secretary of the Forestry Commision Founder of the Grizzly Bears Alliance I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote So you complain about the existence of other forums that deal with eve. Ok.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:42:00 - [3] - Quote Rordan D'Kherr wrote: So you complain about the existence of other forums that deal with eve. Ok. I'm complaining about the following: - People who aren't a member of these "external" forums have significantly less opportunities in null sec - The generalization of a very diverse group of people - The cultural elitism - Active and long-standing members of these communities are being rejected because of strict posting requirements I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:45:00 - [4] - Quote That discussing ended at about the same time Goonswarm left Delve - and not in the way you seem to assume it did. Nowadays the pubbies run the asylum and the ~truegoons~ have left towards greener pastures (winning EVE, joining PL, ...) I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:46:00 - [5] - Quote You didn't explain why you feel it needs to be stopped.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:47:00 - [6] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: That discussing ended at about the same time as Goonswarm lost Delve - and not in the way you seem to assume it did. Nowadays the pubbies run the asylum and the ~truegoons~ have left towards greener pastures (winning EVE, joining PL, ...) There is still a large quantity of cultural veterans in Goonswarm. In Goonswarm, newbies are regularly accused of being spies and JFGs without any evidence which suggests that such allegations are true. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 312	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:47:00 - [7] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Prencleeve Grothsmore It has begun again. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:47:00 - [8] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: You didn't explain why you feel it needs to be stopped. I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:52:00 - [9] - Quote Den Arius wrote: I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have. They have the same opportunities. They can form their own alliances and invite their own friends from their own social communities and tell people they hate them because they post too much on forums. Nothing is preventing them from doing that.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 871	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:53:00 - [10] - Quote Community corps/guilds are nothing new in MMOs. It even isn't anything new in Eve. About your "stopping it" idea, usually they implode by themselves. So no need to do anything really.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:54:00 - [11] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Den Arius wrote: I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have. They have the same opportunities. They can form their own alliances and invite their own friends from their own social communities and tell people they hate them because they post too much on forums. Nothing is preventing them from doing that. Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1667	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:56:00 - [12] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Vera Algaert wrote: That discussing ended at about the same time as Goonswarm lost Delve - and not in the way you seem to assume it did. Nowadays the pubbies run the asylum and the ~truegoons~ have left towards greener pastures (winning EVE, joining PL, ...) There is still a large quantity of cultural veterans in Goonswarm. In Goonswarm, newbies are regularly accused of being spies and JFGs without any evidence which suggests that such allegations are true. Yes, but all in good fun. J4G or not, once they're in, they're in. As for spies, those get caught and ... removed. Anyway, I don't think the poster is worried about our newbies. They have a fine time. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Plexas Aideron Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:56:00 - [13] - Quote i dont haev a reddit account, im in TEST. mad because rejected bro? wololo
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1667	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:58:00 - [14] - Quote Plexas Aideron wrote: i dont haev a reddit account, im in TEST. mad because rejected bro? wololo He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money. Haha Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:58:00 - [15] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? Yes. I think this is where your argument falls apart.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:58:00 - [16] - Quote Plexas Aideron wrote: i dont haev a reddit account, im in TEST. mad because rejected bro? wololo Enlightened Industries has fairly high SP requirements (10-15m) - for a newbie to join TEST, they have to go through Dreddit (reddit only). As a newbie, I was rejected entree to TEST once. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1420	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:58:00 - [17] - Quote Den Arius wrote: - Den Prencleeve Grothsmore General Secretary of the Forestry Commision Founder of the Grizzly Bears Alliance I thought bears were supposed to **** in the woods, not on the forums. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Arkon Olacar Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 177	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:59:00 - [18] - Quote Den Arius wrote: Riot Girl wrote: You didn't explain why you feel it needs to be stopped. I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have. Confirming that only reddit users are allowed in the HBC, and that only Something Awful members are allowed in the CFC. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012 Umad forum warriors?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 11:59:00 - [19] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money. Haha It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:00:00 - [20] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: Den Arius wrote: Riot Girl wrote: You didn't explain why you feel it needs to be stopped. I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have. Confirming that only reddit users are allowed in the HBC, and that only Something Awful members are allowed in the CFC. For a week old newbie, it would be extremely hard to get into the HBC or CFC if not part of a Reddit or SA. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1667	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:00:00 - [21] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Den Arius wrote: Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? Yes. I think this is where your argument falls apart. It because they're a moron. He will never be a :shobon: newbie. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:01:00 - [22] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money. Haha It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit. As far as OPs go, I think that this was a fairly good thread. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1667	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:01:00 - [23] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: He tried to get into TEST ... let me guess here, I think I got it ... he contracted over stuff or gave money. Haha It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit. Look at his posting here. Is this in any way a surprise to anyone here, at all? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:02:00 - [24] - Quote It is happening, right here! Cultural elitism! They are persecuting me because I do not post in the style that they would like me to post in. This is outright rejection because I don't share their culture. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite a revolution.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 871	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:03:00 - [25] - Quote Den Arius wrote: In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else. There is only 1 group that actually does what you say that I've seen, and that's Goons. TEST usually run around calling themselves ****, and they do have some corps that openly recruit. Goons go under a different motto. In other games they are pretty much the same. WoW for example had Elitist Jerks, which ironically merged into Goons.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 286	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:05:00 - [26] - Quote Den Arius wrote: It is happening, right here! Cultural elitism! They are persecuting me because I do not post in the style that they would like me to post in. This is outright rejection because I don't share their culture. We're not denying the opportunity to share our culture.
Plexas Aideron Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 4	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:05:00 - [27] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=94295&find=unread please deliver on such promisses.
Den Arius Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:05:00 - [28] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Den Arius wrote: In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else. There is only 1 group that actually does what you say that I've seen, and that's Goons. TEST usually run around calling themselves **, and they do have some corps that openly recruit. Goons go under a different motto. In other games they are pretty much the same. WoW for example had Elitist Jerks, which ironically merged into Goons. Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture. I am Prencleeve Grothsmore. I will ignite** a revolution.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 190	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:07:00 - [29] - Quote Quote: Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack? In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else. Well you are not in Goonswarm or whatever so what business is it of yours? Presumably if the people in the Alliance or whatever don't like it, they can leave on their own. Stop being such a busy body.
Vertisce Soritenshi Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 1823	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:10:00 - [30] - Quote You are complaining about the two biggest ***** alliances being assholes. Why would you even want to join them anyway? They can do whatever they want with their recruiting. If they are using stupid rules and methods for their recruiting then that just goes to show how just how stupid they are. Stupid is as stupid does. Now with that understood are you proud to be affiliated with them through those forums? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!**

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