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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:24:00 -
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ppl think about pvp...
stupid idea, no offence though
we alrdy know how "good" the typhoon is
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:25:00 -
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just give us tier3 battleships.
I would like Moa battleship. We have a Caracal battleship and a Blackbird battleship.. where's my Moa battleship? :(
give us these before dreadnaughts, please. Caldari whatever. 8 high slots, 6 turret, 4 missle, 7 med slots, 5 low slots, a billion shields and some optimum range/tracking speed bonuses.
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Reeperman
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Reeperman on 05/04/2005 23:27:40
 Originally by: ErrorS
just give us tier3 battleships.
I would like Moa battleship. We have a Caracal battleship and a Blackbird battleship.. where's my Moa battleship? :(
give us these before dreadnaughts, please. Caldari whatever. 8 high slots, 6 turret, 4 missle, 7 med slots, 5 low slots, a billion shields and some optimum range/tracking speed bonuses.
As much as I hate to say it, I am liking this idea. Instead of raven change, add and alternatve BS for EVERY race that allows people to mix it a bit more.. Afteral most races have more than 2 cruisers, frigs etc.
and no please not a TECH 2 bs.. but a tier 3.. lets face it the Scorp isnt LESS than the Raven to a point, just different, so why not have a different BS to enable more involvment for caldari in 0.0 like other races.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: ErrorS
just give us tier3 battleships.
I would like Moa battleship. We have a Caracal battleship and a Blackbird battleship.. where's my Moa battleship? :(
give us these before dreadnaughts, please. Caldari whatever. 8 high slots, 6 turret, 4 missle, 7 med slots, 5 low slots, a billion shields and some optimum range/tracking speed bonuses.
* wants a polaris ship with those mounting points 
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:30:00 -
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Gallente get a Celestis battleship with 4 launcher points 
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Reeperman
Originally by: ErrorS
just give us tier3 battleships.
I would like Moa battleship. We have a Caracal battleship and a Blackbird battleship.. where's my Moa battleship? :(
give us these before dreadnaughts, please. Caldari whatever. 8 high slots, 6 turret, 4 missle, 7 med slots, 5 low slots, a billion shields and some optimum range/tracking speed bonuses.
this would lead to every race having a misile boat or a gun boat and pretty much making eve balanced. which would be boring, its nice having each race good at something, makes it special :D
As much as I hate to say it, I am liking this idea. Instead of raven change, add and alternatve BS for EVERY race that allows people to mix it a bit more.. Afteral most races have more than 2 cruisers, frigs etc.
and no please not a TECH 2 bs.. but a tier 3
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Reeperman
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Posted - 2005.04.05 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Gallente get a Celestis battleship with 4 launcher points
 .. but this is my point, caldari are very inaffective in 0.0 by themselves where (to a point) other races are not (sorry to my native minmitar cousins). yes I agree, we should be in groups in 0. as it is a MMORPG but we should have equal oportunitues.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.04.06 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Knife
Raven is a good pvp ship, you just have to know how to use it. So it can't do dmg from 100-200kms away like the tempest, megathron and apoc can, it ain't meant to be used far away. Get a covert ship and warp two ravens ontop of two sniping ships and tell me who wins 
Blasterthrons.
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.04.06 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Mac Knife
Raven is a good pvp ship, you just have to know how to use it. So it can't do dmg from 100-200kms away like the tempest, megathron and apoc can, it ain't meant to be used far away. Get a covert ship and warp two ravens ontop of two sniping ships and tell me who wins
Blasterthrons.
Im sure i stated at LONG range, blasterthrons are very very close range.
Unless you mean use blasterthrons instead which i totally agree, but this is about ravens 
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SexySexy
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Posted - 2005.04.06 00:41:00 -
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caldari=rail, gal=blaster?
blaster in lvl4 mission?
OMGWTF!
caldari=missile(cruise, torp)
gal=hybrid(rail, blaster)
its true.
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tenashi
Originally by: ErrorS
...and some fool in a ferox.
lol
You fly a Ferox, don't you Tenashi?
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Aleis
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:58:00 -
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i think it's been suggested before but if you want to ballence missle liek turrets with skills then nerf them a little and add mroe skills for them
such as a flight time and velocity skill,
not quite as diverse as turrets but every little bit helps
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.04.06 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Gallente get a Celestis battleship with 4 launcher points
Nah Gallante are by far the worst missle race. If they make another missle boat BS its goona go to Minmatar for sure.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.04.06 02:50:00 -
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Well I have no problem with the Raven. Its neither over nor under powered imo, and I've fought against them and won as well as being PWN3D by them. A lot of it comes down to the pilot. I would like to see either another battleship added to each race or some more cruisers with some more diverse bonuses. whether its more bonuses to speed, or tracking or agility, or whatever it would be nice to spice things up a bit. Perhaps adding not a tier 3 BS, but just another tier 1 or 2 could be done before the dreadnoughts.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.04.06 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Knife
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Mac Knife
Raven is a good pvp ship, you just have to know how to use it. So it can't do dmg from 100-200kms away like the tempest, megathron and apoc can, it ain't meant to be used far away. Get a covert ship and warp two ravens ontop of two sniping ships and tell me who wins
Blasterthrons.
Im sure i stated at LONG range, blasterthrons are very very close range.
Unless you mean use blasterthrons instead which i totally agree, but this is about ravens
You asked who wins a battle against snipers when you use a covert ops.
I answered your question.
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Lady Rona
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Posted - 2005.04.06 05:20:00 -
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Dead man, Dead man walking   
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.04.06 06:36:00 -
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More skills for missile boats would lengthen the amount of time it takes someone to be decent in a missile boat, but it won't change the fact that the Raven is the preferred vessel for lvl4 missions (in fact, they will make it more so).
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.04.06 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 06/04/2005 07:02:27
You people have short memories.
i remember a long time ago when I first got my Raven. It wasn't a smart ship to buy. Missiles were expensive then and their damage over time and cost ratio were clearly inferior to turreted ships.
I remembered how I setup my Raven then.
4 425mm rails
4 heavy launchers (they were not called heavy then) and fitted with cruises.
I remember the thing having cap relays then, since they didn't affect shield boosting then.
That time, missiles indeed sucked. A torpedo could set you about 30,000 to 40,000isk PER piece (it's about 400-500 isk each now), and a cruise missile sets you about 3,000 to 5,000 isk each; it's about 200-300 isk now. Bounties are half the way they use to, a Gurista Terrorist (Osprey) was only 20k when it was 40k now.
That meant you don't use missiles on NPCs at all. Missiles were completely a PvP thing, or for emergency uses. My main armament was my 425mm rail gun, which hit a lot better those days---much better than a 250mm now---because there was nothing about that nonsense on tracking and sig radius. I can whack fast moving frigs less than 10k with those guns. Furthermore, my lock was much faster as a result.
Turrets completely ruled then like no other. The Typhoon and the Raven---both whose configs are kissing cousins of each other---are on the dumps because they allow only four turrets. The Scorp had four turrets too, but it also had EW and can create impregnable shield tanks as well. Megapulse was kind of wimpy then, so no one used it.
As the Raven actually had a hybrid range bonus, I maximized on that aspect by loading the 425s with antimatter. Always remember that 425s were gods compared to the way 425s are now.
I still remembered my Scorp setup too. I had an NPC hunting set up wtih 4 425s and 2 launchers (heavy) which I used with heavy and cruise missiles. All launchers could load multiple types at that time. The Scorp was designed to shield tank so it could draw fire away while the teammates blow away the spawn.
At that time, the tachs were already nerfed, and 425s were attractive. Before that, I remember the first Ravens I saw. Guess what they were fitted then.
FOUR TACHYONS.
It seems so surprising now, but Tachs were uber weapons then. Massive damage and without the track/sig radius changes which won't come yet for a long time. They will hit you instantly every time no matter how fast or small the ship you're flying.
I think we have evolved the Caldari Raven far enough from railgun ships to missile ships. From useless ships to uber mission ships. I would rather have an uber ship than a useless ship.
For a long time, the Raven was the blacksheep battleship, and so it is finally enjoying its moment of glory---for now until the next nerf.
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Maximus Epeenus
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Posted - 2005.04.06 07:18:00 -
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I only recently got a raven a few days ago for the first time, so I guess I am representing the Newbie section :P however I would point out that this is a great idea imo, and was thinking of it myself the other day.
I feel that 6 Missiles is a bit much for a BS and 5 would do ample.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.06 07:29:00 -
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Bad idea.
Better idea: Stop the nerfs already before this turn out another E&B
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.04.06 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mephorios
Originally by: Tenashi
Originally by: ErrorS
...and some fool in a ferox.
lol
You fly a Ferox, don't you Tenashi?
was a prophecy
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G'ulSera
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Posted - 2005.04.06 08:50:00 -
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The Raven is fine as it is, (like some others already said) it can do nicely in missions & pvp as long as you know what you're doing...
Been flying ravens for over a year now and take it in 0.0 a lot...
The only sensible thing to do would have the same set of skills to learn for missiles like with rail/energyguns.... so that you have to specialize in missile skills to get an effective Raven...
Just don't mess with the high slots or bonusses... caldari are a "missile" race and i like it
PS: the peepz who want more implants.... Do more missions and you'll get em :p
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.06 11:42:00 -
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This is a very good idea actually. One thing for sure is somethig has to be doen about the raven we all know it is heavily overpowered in small/1v1 engagements.
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Brother Tycho
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Posted - 2005.04.06 12:05:00 -
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i fly a Raven for missions and a Geddon for pvp i wouldent dream of takeing my Geddon on a mission run, i may finish the mission eventualy but its nice to get the bonus within 4 hours..
i dont think the problems missiles being overpowerd its more a problem with large turrets being useless against small targets even the duel/quad large turrets aint worth a crap..
some say if u want to hit frigates in your BS mount small weapons thats impractical as i would still need to dock and change my guns to take out the BS spawns..
maybe with the EW changes we will see calls for sniper setups to be nerfed as Jammers get a opt range and fall off.
Drones can kill frigates sure but drones are near useless when theres heavy lag..and how many times have u told your drones to attack something only to see them go on tea break for 3 minutes, hell they may get round to it eventualy! i swear they have there own Union.
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Dasher Prime
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Posted - 2005.04.06 14:57:00 -
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Why? Why change things at all? If you want everything "balanced" Then maybe we should all go to one race type ship? Raven is a missle boat, Megathron a blaster boat, Apoc a laser ship, tempest...well a hunk of junk. I wont make a cookie the same way you do, so I demand that you follow my way of makeing cookies!! Wait those damn Brits drive on the wrong side of the road!! Make them drive like the rest of the world. Need I go on?
U.S.S. New Jersey 16" guns...
Yamamoto 18" guns
HMS Prince of wales 14" guns
Humm unbalanced there....
US Navy 10 fleet carriers...
the whole rest of the world 9 small carriers...
unbalanced.
United States..Income Tax, land tax, fuel tax..
England TAX ON EVERYTHING...
unbalanced....
F-22 ****hot fighter...
rest of world.....
unbalanced...
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Elemmakil
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Posted - 2005.04.06 15:20:00 -
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"F-22 ****hot fighter...
rest of world.....
unbalanced..."
Eurofighter 2000 "Typhoon" outperforms any U.S fighter IN SERVICE at the present, F-22 raptor not in service yet
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.04.06 15:33:00 -
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Stop touching my !@#$%ing raven ffs
try to tank a gankageddon instead, then scream bloody hell.
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Gothmatar Ravenblade
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Posted - 2005.04.06 15:41:00 -
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Actually the idea isn't too bad but I think the changes should involve more expensive torpedos and more missile skills. That way you can leave the ship alone but make piloting it more dependant on skills trained i.e. character age.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.06 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 06/04/2005 16:01:50
For a ship that is named a "RaveN" it sure doesn't act like one. Might look like one, in it's "Bird" like shape, but it's not. If EVE was real and we all flew spaceships and did all the neat stuff we do today. Would any of you honestly fly a ship that just spammed missiles that had no real skill to understand? Target, shoot and we are off. This is not a insult to Raven Pilots or anything, just a analogy I guess. I would think a "RaveN" would be a gun ship because most "Assassin" themed or "Badass" people in life, slit throats and cut off heads with Swords instead of being some Muscle Bound FrEaK that has a Bazooka.
Wouldn't you want to be more like a sword wielding Samuari than some Army guy with big Muscles with a Bazooka? =)
Thats why I fly a frig. I bring my Dagger to a Gun fight and win. So im like a Ninja! Wait that's Katana? =)
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Dasher Prime
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Posted - 2005.04.06 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Elemmakil
"F-22 ****hot fighter...
rest of world.....
unbalanced..."
Eurofighter 2000 "Typhoon" outperforms any U.S fighter IN SERVICE at the present, F-22 raptor not in service yet
Sorry But I work for the people who make the F-22....so of course it is **** hot to me.
Though I have seen some good stuff on the the 2000
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