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Alice Saki
16036
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:58:00 -
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^_^ GD or Bust.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
749
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:59:00 -
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youre always going to have the groups that dont hold sov but pvp in null/ls so it wouldnt really matter. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:00:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:There will never be one entire entity made up of blues; we've already seen that the HBC and CFC do not get along, even though TEST and the Goons are allied with one another. Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Solar's coalition as well was rather fractured, as Solar was blue with Gypsy Band, ED, and others, but Gypsy has fractured away and started shooting more at Solar, and continuing their aggression against their pets.
So essentially, you can't win Eve; human nature will just tear it all apart. While I agree with the thought behind your post I think you are looking at the wrong alliances.
I think the most likely source of destabilization are the smaller CFC alliances - they have enough of a history to develop ambitions of their own and grudges against GSF as well as against each other (both in contrast to the very young HBC).
Remember that campaign when your alliance had great participation but only got a pat on the back and some additional sov bills to pay while most of the tech was assigned to your slacking neighbor? Of course you did attempt to speak up and were told that your contributions would be remembered and that the alliance next door would be held to a higher standard now that they got these moons... and of course you went on like the good soldier you are, explained the situation to your own membership as best as you could and only cried a little inside when, a few months down the road, everyone seemed to have forgotten the promises they had made to you.
.... that's the stuff wars are made of.
Send in the CD smooth-talkers to defuse the situation and you'll just make everything worse as your good soldier knows from experience that he cannot win an argument against them. So he just becomes bitter and silent.
Eventually some of these CFC alliances will want to go a different way.
Maybe by then there will be a South-Eastern coalition they can join - but maybe there won't. Maybe there will be only one other major coalition they could find a new home in.
At that point we're deep into fanfiction territory but the only somewhat plausible casus belli for an actual war between GSF and HBC I could come up with would be if the HBC started to poach CFC members.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
754
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:09:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there. If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them?
Goonswarm was built upon the idea that if you put enough bodies in cheep hulls into a system you can kill even the most powerful fleet. If the players of highsec had any balls worth talking about they could literally stand up and crush us within a few weeks.
Right now supercaps are relegated to Sov grinding and don't have near the force that they used to on the battlefield. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
879
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 -
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Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"?
They get cake.
brb |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1373
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:17:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Nothing. CCP would do nothing. Directly.
They may however actually take another look at null and realize they have totally missed the boat on how to drive conflict. They may realize that the CSM, whispering myopic advice in their ear, doesn't actually know how to drive conflict in null either, despite their fat killboards and strategic acumen (there's a difference between knowing how to defeat your enemy in broad strategic terms and actually understanding why everyone is there to fight). If that happens, CCP might rethink the whole layout of the game. ...and then things will get interesting.
I don't know if the goons can blue out null... but I hope they can.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1341
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:19:00 -
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If an Alliance managed to become strong enough (and thus it must be large enough member wise) to control all of null sec, it would split apart from within long before it could succeed in such a venture.
And if such did succeed, the universe would implode.
Also... controlling all of null would not be winning EVE. You can't win something that does not have a defined end. Alternatively, I have already won EVE because I completed my long term goal of having fun and enjoying the company of an entertaining corp. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1341
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:21:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there. If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them? Goonswarm was built upon the idea that if you put enough bodies in cheep hulls into a system you can kill even the most powerful fleet. If the players of highsec had any balls worth talking about they could literally stand up and crush us within a few weeks. Right now supercaps are relegated to Sov grinding and don't have near the force that they used to on the battlefield. Agreed. A fleet of noobships of all of high sec would blot out the suns of null (and pummel any fleet they encounter)... if the grid would ever load. |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
111
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:24:00 -
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E-peen value would suffer it's worst inflation ever. That's what would happen. Probably.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
329
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:30:00 -
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Nestor II wrote:I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.
Pretty much. The server very seldom sees large scale PvP. Plex go for around 2 billion each and inflation is through the roof.
Serenity is what happens when you have too much social fiber in a conflict MMO. We have what happens when there is too little. |
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usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:20:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what?
Tribe wtf why didn't you let me in on this titan killmail, thought we were friends. |
Thead Enco
Awesome Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:22:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
The Jovians invade and carpet bomb everyone! Shock & Awe style |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
822
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:27:00 -
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They get to watch the special victory video then watch the credits scroll down the screen. Then they are able to enter their initials if they got a high score.
Then hard mode unlocks, and they can play through the game again with it 3x harder. I'm not shitposting. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
352
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:29:00 -
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rodyas wrote:They get to watch the special victory video then watch the credits scroll down the screen. Then they are able to enter their initials if they got a high score.
Then hard mode unlocks, and they can play through the game again with it 3x harder.
Everyone knows that you need to enter your initials as "ASS" "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:36:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Would never happen... Too many people have different views of the game so no one would get along enough to get to that point, some would go elsewhere and others would form resistance alliance's to keep it from happening.
I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:34:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"? They get cake. And Ponies.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:36:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing. Well in Highsec online, that doesn't seem to be a problem.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
202
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:42:00 -
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You win eve when you quit and biomass your toons.
and you get a bonus consolation prize of winning at life, An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
53
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:26:00 -
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Even if one Alliance took all of NullSec eventually some drama would happen in that Alliance and it would fragment and break apart.
Also everyone hates the guy on top, there will be others who band together to stop them. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
43
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:08:00 -
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Douglas Adams wrote:There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:12:00 -
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If nullsec became a bluefest then the current batch of loonies who took over would be ill-equipped to control that kind of vast territory easily. I believe the Goons and Test exploited the fact that BoB spread out too thin if I recall the history correctly.
All it would take to turn it into lawless space at that point would be a nerf to reinforce timers and a buncha maniacs with dreads and battleships to go play kick the can on POSes and Sov control units. taking territory would be optional, but unnecessary in the face of the sheer joy of burning everything down.
there are always people willing to burn your **** down. Because it's yours.
This would be one of the main reasons for ganking in highsec. The gankers by and large don't care if they profit. They care about properly burning your house down.
(this blanket statement does not apply to goons interdicting ice and murdering every capital freighter they can find with Pilots too stupid to realize that autopilot is not your friend, nor does it apply to gankers who use ship scanners and cargo scanners to ferret the juiciest loot out.)
Officer fit machariels are just as delicious to the enterprising ganker as a freighter fulla technetium bought straight off the Jita market.
If the goons, or TEST, or one of those particular variety of coalition rose to the top and kicked everyone out I could see them all burning down everything and forcing everyone to start again from zero. Mostly to **** everyone off, partly because the level of violence caused by people jockeying for space would be epic, and would continuously feed their desire for good fights, and lopsided, horrific slaughters. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
799
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:14:00 -
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One does not simply win eve, but he can get engouth power and influence to affect live of all other players. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
177
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:34:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
they fade and die in a fire |
Andemnon Kohort
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
53
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:49:00 -
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The only way this could happen is if everyone joined the same alliance... last time i checked people would rather shoot each other than do that... its more fun for one thing.. so.. never going to happen |
Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
687
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:57:00 -
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An alliance cant 'win eve'. i'll tell you why.
The only type of alliance that could ever have a shot at 'winning eve' would be a PVP alliance.
What do PVP'ers want? Targets.
Once they've won, what will they have for targets? Nothing.
The alliance that 'won' would then crumble quickly and turn on itself in a desperate attempt to find killmails in a stagnent universe.
Luckily, it'll never come to that because people will notice the lack of targets long before an alliance gets that big. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:07:00 -
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I removed some off-topic posting from the thread. This is not the place to discuss the state of another player's account. CCP Eterne | Community Representative
@CCP_Eterne |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
883
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:29:00 -
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Natasha Liao wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"? They get cake. And Ponies.
Crap who stole my pony??? And who the heck stole my cake????
*Republic Fleet EMP loading...*
brb |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
187
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:10:00 -
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no...
they would simply be bored. Eve is actually a game, a toy. When toy is of no interest, they leave it.
If it is an alliance built by force - there will always be discontent and disagreement.
If it is an alliance built by friendship and peace, there will always be evil monsters who can easily attack it.
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Kagasumi
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:51:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
You are assuming an alliance could get that big and remain that big without some sort of inner turmoil or conflict that would break them apart.
Whether it be spies, sabotage, disagreements, jockeying for power, inner politics, greed....something will happen to corporations that get that big. It's just a percentage chance. The more thousands of people you add, the more likely something will break.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2706
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:41:00 -
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It would merely provide an opportunity to infiltrate and orchestrate a corp/alliance theft of truly epic proportions. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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