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Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:28:00 -
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So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |
Nicholas Barker
Reikoku The Retirement Club
4
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:29:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Unlike real life where enemies get killed off, in eve they just lose space then reappear elsewhere. Especially the foreign language communities such as the russians, who stick together even more due to their language barrier.
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Nestor II
Slippery Bunny
7
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:30:00 -
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I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE. Every little thing she does is Magic. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:30:00 -
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If in null is only peace left, it would be time to bring peace to highsec |
NARDAC
Newb U
12
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:31:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats. |
Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:34:00 -
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In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:34:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
388
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:35:00 -
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Is this yet another goon thread? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
432
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:36:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats. They would do like they already do and set rules of engagement. Standings get set so that people can shoot each other in times of peace, it's never "everyone is blue; so no one can shoot each other". It's just more like civilized pvp within the larger group.
The guys that run null alliances understand that people want to pvp, and that if they don't have anyone to shoot they get bored, so they use DIPLOMACY to set who can shoot who when the situation arises.
And CCP wouldn't do anything if all of null was held by a single alliance. Null isn't there just for pvp, it's empire building. Low is about the only place that exists explicitly for pvp, hence the FW sytem existing there. |
Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
43
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:36:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.
That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario. Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |
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Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:38:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time.
I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage.
On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:38:00 -
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Nestor II wrote:I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.
I bet it was more like a rush win or something.
Doubt that this will happen on TQ ever. Alliances come and go, coalitions form and break, friends of today are enemies tomorrow. I've seen many powerful entities break for nothing. Lotka Volterra, BoB, Northern Coalition (nodot) including MM, now NCdot and BL because of Falcon etc. Even Goons will disband some day in this way or another. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
490
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:39:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time.
I think someone stole his account to be honest...
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Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:39:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.
I don't think they'd directly intervene, however I'm sure they'd nerf/buff or add a few mechanics to encourage the alliance to break apart. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
434
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:46:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage. On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null.
The players decide what happens here; not CCP. |
Desimus Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:47:00 -
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That is just about as likely to happen as achieving World Peace is in the next week.
This utopian hypothetical is irrational. You will never find that many pilots, corps and alliances to agree to the same agenda and bow down to one ideology. In a room with just 2 people the odds of even them agreeing is still only 50/50. There will always be at least one individual who rebels against the status quo and others will agree with him, forming an opposition. It's a human characteristic.
Even the largest coalitions in EvE have a minimal footprint that can be ignored entirely by players if they so choose. However, in a world where your situation happens, CCP would just create more systems... They could do that since they would be pulling in $1 Trillion a month with the amount of subscriptions needed just to fill out just nullsec. |
Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:49:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Den Arius wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage. On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null. The players decide what happens here; not CCP.
If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
984
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:50:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.
Why is the question "will CCP intervene"? Why aren't you asking, "will other people intervene"? Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. |
Robert De'Arneth
246
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:57:00 -
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CCP would hand out turrets that shoot pie. I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
332
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:58:00 -
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it's impossible to win eve Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |
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Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern
24
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:37:00 -
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There will never be one entire entity made up of blues; we've already seen that the HBC and CFC do not get along, even though TEST and the Goons are allied with one another. Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Solar's coalition as well was rather fractured, as Solar was blue with Gypsy Band, ED, and others, but Gypsy has fractured away and started shooting more at Solar, and continuing their aggression against their pets.
So essentially, you can't win Eve; human nature will just tear it all apart. |
Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
59
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:46:00 -
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CCP has already acted- territory bills anyone? No, they aren't expensive, but it creates a blue environment scenario rather than a single alliance scenario.
BoB had a "butthurt" director that "accidentally" his alliance. Goonies would rush to do the same thing, for "teh lulz".
CCP won't directly intervene, but I don't doubt they'll introduce more goodies to entice people to move. Right now, large swaths of nullsec are sparsely to non-populated. Some of it doesn't have even have sov. *shrug* The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
635
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:11:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there.
If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them?
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
127
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:14:00 -
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I don't know if one coalition will ever own all of null-sec but I already see how they would complain about not having people to shoot..
The best part is that the only ones that really are geared up enough to shoot are all the smaller alliances. It's their own fault if they get bored from not having targets. You made the choice to join the zerg alliances and or coalition.
That was your choice to conceed to defeat and bue ball up.
If these larger alliances and coalitions are that bored.. Then man up and reset all your blue ball buddies.
Funny, I don't think any of these o'so hardcores are willing and able to do this. They're too afraid to lose their special blob of space or their EVE news articles about how they ganked this or that hauler..
I'm sure readers of these large coalitions and alliances (They know whom they be) will try and defend the position and give reasons as to why they are blue balled up so much. Nonsense about maintaing some safety for their economies or w/e..
Even the renters of these large coalitions. Who get charged fist over fist in ISK to own some -.0 system for billions a month.. LoL..
Ya'll feeling letdown and chained because ya'll allow yourselves to be..
RESET EM!.. Then let's see who really is the big bad wolf..
All you large coalitions.. Reset yourselves.. man up stop being some ecool kids all trying to walk around with the same members jacket like it's really that boss. It's lame and only kills what your really looking for in your gameplay.. Challenge.. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:18:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:19:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario. Why is the question "will CCP intervene"? Why aren't you asking, "will other people intervene"? Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. because large-scale conflict is one of the major selling points of EVE
how would you expect CCP to react? "you guys are too incompetent to make our game an interesting experience, guess we'll just lay off another 20% of our workforce and hope that things look better a year down the road" I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern
24
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:33:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? Right when I need it, I can't find the kill report anywhere. But I think the gist of it was, THORN and Tribal Band attacked a DekCo "non-blue" Erebus or somesuch and killed it. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:38:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? Right when I need it, I can't find the kill report anywhere. But I think the gist of it was, THORN and Tribal Band attacked a DekCo "non-blue" Erebus or somesuch and killed it. Yeah that never happened. Might have been another HBC alliance, but certainly was not us. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:49:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:
If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing.
When I read about EVE and null sec I read: http://www.eveonline.com/universe/politics-warfare/
Quote:Capsuleers and the Grand Strategy
In the inky depths of the outer regions, new powers rise and fall as alliances and coalitions of capsuleers struggle for dominion over star systems, constellations and entire regions. Politics is key to the forging of alliances and the grand coalitions that make possible the control of large swathes of the cluster by capsule pilots. Their enemies? Other capsuleer alliances waging war to control resources, invade whole regions or simply to eliminate a hated foe. Brinkmanship, espionage and statecraft all have their place in the politics of the grand strategy. Yet, in the end, war is so often the means by which the political aims of corporations and alliances are realised in the outer regions of New Eden. I'm not seeing the "permanent conflict" part.
I only see them talking about an area of space that is governed by players.
If tomorrow, everyone in null sec decided that there would be peace in all parts of null, CCP would not do nothing.
That is a player decision. If the "mechanics" did not allow us to do that, they would be broken, and CCP would make it so that we could make all of null sec peaceful.
Low sec, and FW, are explicity designed to foster "permanent conflict".
And high sec IS NOT at peace. The four EMPIRES of high sec are currently at war. Low sec represents the contested systems that they are fighting over. I highly reccomend Tony Gonzalez's Emperian Age and Templar One, they give you lot of insight into what is happening in high sec and why; plus they're actually pretty good sci-fi novels if you're not to cool to read.
Null is "high sec" but the empires are run by players and not NPC factions.
It is not a requirement that we be at constant war, or that people shoot everyone they see. It is a player choice. Just like any null sec empire that wanted to -and had the means to- could open up safe trade lanes and exploration in there space, so to could they create a peaceful null sec. (I'm assuming that stations can be set to allow nuetrals to buy and sell in them)
In theory of course.
As I've said, the guys that run null understand people want to pvp or they get bored; so they do things to ensure that there is pvp when things are more peaceful. It's called diplomacy, and some groups understand how to use it.
If the CFC, TEST, and HBC owned all of null, we would just set it up so that we can fly around and shoot each other. We just wouldn't take each other space.
You guys expect us to act like bloodthirsty savages, and then ***** that we act like bloodthirsty savages; WTF?
Oh wait, lol, I just got it, wtf. You guys start these conversations because you think if CCP forces us to constantly shoot each other we wouldn't be shooting you guys in high sec. Der!
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:55:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: You guys start these conversations because you think if CCP forces us to constantly shoot each other we wouldn't be shooting you guys in high sec. Der!
Just going to leave this here for all those who are too lazy to read your entire post. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
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