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Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
43
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:28:00 -
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So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |
Nicholas Barker
Reikoku The Retirement Club
4
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:29:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Unlike real life where enemies get killed off, in eve they just lose space then reappear elsewhere. Especially the foreign language communities such as the russians, who stick together even more due to their language barrier.
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Nestor II
Slippery Bunny
7
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:30:00 -
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I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE. Every little thing she does is Magic. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:30:00 -
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If in null is only peace left, it would be time to bring peace to highsec |
NARDAC
Newb U
12
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:31:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats. |
Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:34:00 -
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In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:34:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
388
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:35:00 -
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Is this yet another goon thread? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
432
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:36:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats. They would do like they already do and set rules of engagement. Standings get set so that people can shoot each other in times of peace, it's never "everyone is blue; so no one can shoot each other". It's just more like civilized pvp within the larger group.
The guys that run null alliances understand that people want to pvp, and that if they don't have anyone to shoot they get bored, so they use DIPLOMACY to set who can shoot who when the situation arises.
And CCP wouldn't do anything if all of null was held by a single alliance. Null isn't there just for pvp, it's empire building. Low is about the only place that exists explicitly for pvp, hence the FW sytem existing there. |
Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
43
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:36:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.
That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario. Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |
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Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:38:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time.
I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage.
On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:38:00 -
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Nestor II wrote:I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.
I bet it was more like a rush win or something.
Doubt that this will happen on TQ ever. Alliances come and go, coalitions form and break, friends of today are enemies tomorrow. I've seen many powerful entities break for nothing. Lotka Volterra, BoB, Northern Coalition (nodot) including MM, now NCdot and BL because of Falcon etc. Even Goons will disband some day in this way or another. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
490
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:39:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time.
I think someone stole his account to be honest...
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Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:39:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.
I don't think they'd directly intervene, however I'm sure they'd nerf/buff or add a few mechanics to encourage the alliance to break apart. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
434
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:46:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage. On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null.
The players decide what happens here; not CCP. |
Desimus Maximus
State Protectorate Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:47:00 -
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That is just about as likely to happen as achieving World Peace is in the next week.
This utopian hypothetical is irrational. You will never find that many pilots, corps and alliances to agree to the same agenda and bow down to one ideology. In a room with just 2 people the odds of even them agreeing is still only 50/50. There will always be at least one individual who rebels against the status quo and others will agree with him, forming an opposition. It's a human characteristic.
Even the largest coalitions in EvE have a minimal footprint that can be ignored entirely by players if they so choose. However, in a world where your situation happens, CCP would just create more systems... They could do that since they would be pulling in $1 Trillion a month with the amount of subscriptions needed just to fill out just nullsec. |
Den Arius
Forestry Commision The Grizzly Bears
13
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:49:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Den Arius wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time. I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage. On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun. No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null. The players decide what happens here; not CCP.
If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing. ----- Proud supporter of James 315's New Order of High Sec | Shareholder and Agent -----á |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
984
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:50:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.
Why is the question "will CCP intervene"? Why aren't you asking, "will other people intervene"? Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. |
Robert De'Arneth
246
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:57:00 -
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CCP would hand out turrets that shoot pie. I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
332
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:58:00 -
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it's impossible to win eve Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |
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Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern
24
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:37:00 -
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There will never be one entire entity made up of blues; we've already seen that the HBC and CFC do not get along, even though TEST and the Goons are allied with one another. Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Solar's coalition as well was rather fractured, as Solar was blue with Gypsy Band, ED, and others, but Gypsy has fractured away and started shooting more at Solar, and continuing their aggression against their pets.
So essentially, you can't win Eve; human nature will just tear it all apart. |
Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
59
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:46:00 -
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CCP has already acted- territory bills anyone? No, they aren't expensive, but it creates a blue environment scenario rather than a single alliance scenario.
BoB had a "butthurt" director that "accidentally" his alliance. Goonies would rush to do the same thing, for "teh lulz".
CCP won't directly intervene, but I don't doubt they'll introduce more goodies to entice people to move. Right now, large swaths of nullsec are sparsely to non-populated. Some of it doesn't have even have sov. *shrug* The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
635
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:11:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there.
If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them?
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
127
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:14:00 -
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I don't know if one coalition will ever own all of null-sec but I already see how they would complain about not having people to shoot..
The best part is that the only ones that really are geared up enough to shoot are all the smaller alliances. It's their own fault if they get bored from not having targets. You made the choice to join the zerg alliances and or coalition.
That was your choice to conceed to defeat and bue ball up.
If these larger alliances and coalitions are that bored.. Then man up and reset all your blue ball buddies.
Funny, I don't think any of these o'so hardcores are willing and able to do this. They're too afraid to lose their special blob of space or their EVE news articles about how they ganked this or that hauler..
I'm sure readers of these large coalitions and alliances (They know whom they be) will try and defend the position and give reasons as to why they are blue balled up so much. Nonsense about maintaing some safety for their economies or w/e..
Even the renters of these large coalitions. Who get charged fist over fist in ISK to own some -.0 system for billions a month.. LoL..
Ya'll feeling letdown and chained because ya'll allow yourselves to be..
RESET EM!.. Then let's see who really is the big bad wolf..
All you large coalitions.. Reset yourselves.. man up stop being some ecool kids all trying to walk around with the same members jacket like it's really that boss. It's lame and only kills what your really looking for in your gameplay.. Challenge.. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:18:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:19:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario. Why is the question "will CCP intervene"? Why aren't you asking, "will other people intervene"? Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. because large-scale conflict is one of the major selling points of EVE
how would you expect CCP to react? "you guys are too incompetent to make our game an interesting experience, guess we'll just lay off another 20% of our workforce and hope that things look better a year down the road" I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern
24
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:33:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? Right when I need it, I can't find the kill report anywhere. But I think the gist of it was, THORN and Tribal Band attacked a DekCo "non-blue" Erebus or somesuch and killed it. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:38:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what? Right when I need it, I can't find the kill report anywhere. But I think the gist of it was, THORN and Tribal Band attacked a DekCo "non-blue" Erebus or somesuch and killed it. Yeah that never happened. Might have been another HBC alliance, but certainly was not us. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:49:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:
If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing.
When I read about EVE and null sec I read: http://www.eveonline.com/universe/politics-warfare/
Quote:Capsuleers and the Grand Strategy
In the inky depths of the outer regions, new powers rise and fall as alliances and coalitions of capsuleers struggle for dominion over star systems, constellations and entire regions. Politics is key to the forging of alliances and the grand coalitions that make possible the control of large swathes of the cluster by capsule pilots. Their enemies? Other capsuleer alliances waging war to control resources, invade whole regions or simply to eliminate a hated foe. Brinkmanship, espionage and statecraft all have their place in the politics of the grand strategy. Yet, in the end, war is so often the means by which the political aims of corporations and alliances are realised in the outer regions of New Eden. I'm not seeing the "permanent conflict" part.
I only see them talking about an area of space that is governed by players.
If tomorrow, everyone in null sec decided that there would be peace in all parts of null, CCP would not do nothing.
That is a player decision. If the "mechanics" did not allow us to do that, they would be broken, and CCP would make it so that we could make all of null sec peaceful.
Low sec, and FW, are explicity designed to foster "permanent conflict".
And high sec IS NOT at peace. The four EMPIRES of high sec are currently at war. Low sec represents the contested systems that they are fighting over. I highly reccomend Tony Gonzalez's Emperian Age and Templar One, they give you lot of insight into what is happening in high sec and why; plus they're actually pretty good sci-fi novels if you're not to cool to read.
Null is "high sec" but the empires are run by players and not NPC factions.
It is not a requirement that we be at constant war, or that people shoot everyone they see. It is a player choice. Just like any null sec empire that wanted to -and had the means to- could open up safe trade lanes and exploration in there space, so to could they create a peaceful null sec. (I'm assuming that stations can be set to allow nuetrals to buy and sell in them)
In theory of course.
As I've said, the guys that run null understand people want to pvp or they get bored; so they do things to ensure that there is pvp when things are more peaceful. It's called diplomacy, and some groups understand how to use it.
If the CFC, TEST, and HBC owned all of null, we would just set it up so that we can fly around and shoot each other. We just wouldn't take each other space.
You guys expect us to act like bloodthirsty savages, and then ***** that we act like bloodthirsty savages; WTF?
Oh wait, lol, I just got it, wtf. You guys start these conversations because you think if CCP forces us to constantly shoot each other we wouldn't be shooting you guys in high sec. Der!
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
178
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:55:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: You guys start these conversations because you think if CCP forces us to constantly shoot each other we wouldn't be shooting you guys in high sec. Der!
Just going to leave this here for all those who are too lazy to read your entire post. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
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Alice Saki
16036
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:58:00 -
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^_^ GD or Bust.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
749
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:59:00 -
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youre always going to have the groups that dont hold sov but pvp in null/ls so it wouldnt really matter. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:00:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:There will never be one entire entity made up of blues; we've already seen that the HBC and CFC do not get along, even though TEST and the Goons are allied with one another. Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Solar's coalition as well was rather fractured, as Solar was blue with Gypsy Band, ED, and others, but Gypsy has fractured away and started shooting more at Solar, and continuing their aggression against their pets.
So essentially, you can't win Eve; human nature will just tear it all apart. While I agree with the thought behind your post I think you are looking at the wrong alliances.
I think the most likely source of destabilization are the smaller CFC alliances - they have enough of a history to develop ambitions of their own and grudges against GSF as well as against each other (both in contrast to the very young HBC).
Remember that campaign when your alliance had great participation but only got a pat on the back and some additional sov bills to pay while most of the tech was assigned to your slacking neighbor? Of course you did attempt to speak up and were told that your contributions would be remembered and that the alliance next door would be held to a higher standard now that they got these moons... and of course you went on like the good soldier you are, explained the situation to your own membership as best as you could and only cried a little inside when, a few months down the road, everyone seemed to have forgotten the promises they had made to you.
.... that's the stuff wars are made of.
Send in the CD smooth-talkers to defuse the situation and you'll just make everything worse as your good soldier knows from experience that he cannot win an argument against them. So he just becomes bitter and silent.
Eventually some of these CFC alliances will want to go a different way.
Maybe by then there will be a South-Eastern coalition they can join - but maybe there won't. Maybe there will be only one other major coalition they could find a new home in.
At that point we're deep into fanfiction territory but the only somewhat plausible casus belli for an actual war between GSF and HBC I could come up with would be if the HBC started to poach CFC members.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
754
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:09:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there. If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them?
Goonswarm was built upon the idea that if you put enough bodies in cheep hulls into a system you can kill even the most powerful fleet. If the players of highsec had any balls worth talking about they could literally stand up and crush us within a few weeks.
Right now supercaps are relegated to Sov grinding and don't have near the force that they used to on the battlefield. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
879
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 -
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Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"?
They get cake.
brb |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1373
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:17:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues? Nothing. CCP would do nothing. Directly.
They may however actually take another look at null and realize they have totally missed the boat on how to drive conflict. They may realize that the CSM, whispering myopic advice in their ear, doesn't actually know how to drive conflict in null either, despite their fat killboards and strategic acumen (there's a difference between knowing how to defeat your enemy in broad strategic terms and actually understanding why everyone is there to fight). If that happens, CCP might rethink the whole layout of the game. ...and then things will get interesting.
I don't know if the goons can blue out null... but I hope they can.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1341
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:19:00 -
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If an Alliance managed to become strong enough (and thus it must be large enough member wise) to control all of null sec, it would split apart from within long before it could succeed in such a venture.
And if such did succeed, the universe would implode.
Also... controlling all of null would not be winning EVE. You can't win something that does not have a defined end. Alternatively, I have already won EVE because I completed my long term goal of having fun and enjoying the company of an entertaining corp. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1341
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:21:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course. Comedy gold right there. If (as he asked) one alliance were successfully able to take and establish control of all of null-sec, how would *anyone* else have a chance at them? Goonswarm was built upon the idea that if you put enough bodies in cheep hulls into a system you can kill even the most powerful fleet. If the players of highsec had any balls worth talking about they could literally stand up and crush us within a few weeks. Right now supercaps are relegated to Sov grinding and don't have near the force that they used to on the battlefield. Agreed. A fleet of noobships of all of high sec would blot out the suns of null (and pummel any fleet they encounter)... if the grid would ever load. |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
111
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:24:00 -
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E-peen value would suffer it's worst inflation ever. That's what would happen. Probably.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
329
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:30:00 -
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Nestor II wrote:I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.
Pretty much. The server very seldom sees large scale PvP. Plex go for around 2 billion each and inflation is through the roof.
Serenity is what happens when you have too much social fiber in a conflict MMO. We have what happens when there is too little. |
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usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:20:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Sorry, what?
Tribe wtf why didn't you let me in on this titan killmail, thought we were friends. |
Thead Enco
Awesome Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:22:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
The Jovians invade and carpet bomb everyone! Shock & Awe style |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
822
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:27:00 -
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They get to watch the special victory video then watch the credits scroll down the screen. Then they are able to enter their initials if they got a high score.
Then hard mode unlocks, and they can play through the game again with it 3x harder. I'm not shitposting. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
352
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:29:00 -
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rodyas wrote:They get to watch the special victory video then watch the credits scroll down the screen. Then they are able to enter their initials if they got a high score.
Then hard mode unlocks, and they can play through the game again with it 3x harder.
Everyone knows that you need to enter your initials as "ASS" "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:36:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
Would never happen... Too many people have different views of the game so no one would get along enough to get to that point, some would go elsewhere and others would form resistance alliance's to keep it from happening.
I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:34:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"? They get cake. And Ponies.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:36:00 -
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Den Arius wrote:If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing. Well in Highsec online, that doesn't seem to be a problem.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
202
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:42:00 -
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You win eve when you quit and biomass your toons.
and you get a bonus consolation prize of winning at life, An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
53
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:26:00 -
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Even if one Alliance took all of NullSec eventually some drama would happen in that Alliance and it would fragment and break apart.
Also everyone hates the guy on top, there will be others who band together to stop them. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
43
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:08:00 -
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Douglas Adams wrote:There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:12:00 -
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If nullsec became a bluefest then the current batch of loonies who took over would be ill-equipped to control that kind of vast territory easily. I believe the Goons and Test exploited the fact that BoB spread out too thin if I recall the history correctly.
All it would take to turn it into lawless space at that point would be a nerf to reinforce timers and a buncha maniacs with dreads and battleships to go play kick the can on POSes and Sov control units. taking territory would be optional, but unnecessary in the face of the sheer joy of burning everything down.
there are always people willing to burn your **** down. Because it's yours.
This would be one of the main reasons for ganking in highsec. The gankers by and large don't care if they profit. They care about properly burning your house down.
(this blanket statement does not apply to goons interdicting ice and murdering every capital freighter they can find with Pilots too stupid to realize that autopilot is not your friend, nor does it apply to gankers who use ship scanners and cargo scanners to ferret the juiciest loot out.)
Officer fit machariels are just as delicious to the enterprising ganker as a freighter fulla technetium bought straight off the Jita market.
If the goons, or TEST, or one of those particular variety of coalition rose to the top and kicked everyone out I could see them all burning down everything and forcing everyone to start again from zero. Mostly to **** everyone off, partly because the level of violence caused by people jockeying for space would be epic, and would continuously feed their desire for good fights, and lopsided, horrific slaughters. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
799
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:14:00 -
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One does not simply win eve, but he can get engouth power and influence to affect live of all other players. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:34:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
they fade and die in a fire |
Andemnon Kohort
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
53
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:49:00 -
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The only way this could happen is if everyone joined the same alliance... last time i checked people would rather shoot each other than do that... its more fun for one thing.. so.. never going to happen |
Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
687
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:57:00 -
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An alliance cant 'win eve'. i'll tell you why.
The only type of alliance that could ever have a shot at 'winning eve' would be a PVP alliance.
What do PVP'ers want? Targets.
Once they've won, what will they have for targets? Nothing.
The alliance that 'won' would then crumble quickly and turn on itself in a desperate attempt to find killmails in a stagnent universe.
Luckily, it'll never come to that because people will notice the lack of targets long before an alliance gets that big. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:07:00 -
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I removed some off-topic posting from the thread. This is not the place to discuss the state of another player's account. CCP Eterne | Community Representative
@CCP_Eterne |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
883
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:29:00 -
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Natasha Liao wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Quote:What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"? They get cake. And Ponies.
Crap who stole my pony??? And who the heck stole my cake????
*Republic Fleet EMP loading...*
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Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
187
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:10:00 -
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no...
they would simply be bored. Eve is actually a game, a toy. When toy is of no interest, they leave it.
If it is an alliance built by force - there will always be discontent and disagreement.
If it is an alliance built by friendship and peace, there will always be evil monsters who can easily attack it.
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Kagasumi
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:51:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?
You are assuming an alliance could get that big and remain that big without some sort of inner turmoil or conflict that would break them apart.
Whether it be spies, sabotage, disagreements, jockeying for power, inner politics, greed....something will happen to corporations that get that big. It's just a percentage chance. The more thousands of people you add, the more likely something will break.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2706
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:41:00 -
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It would merely provide an opportunity to infiltrate and orchestrate a corp/alliance theft of truly epic proportions. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
183
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:15:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Den Arius wrote:In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one. That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.
Only in 1 situation would they "intervene" and not in a way you might think.
When null gets bored, they head off to other space to mess with those not interested in SOV games -- when they start trashing how others play this game outside of SOV lands, CCP starts looking at "adjustments" to prevent this.
I seriously doubt they'd step in to "fix it" in nullsec.
iirc - on the China server, the largest trade hub in the game is in nullsec. They have treaties in place to enable trade-hub activities to function there and they arrange "major battles" among the various groups holding space there.
It's old-style war with some formalities and such that their community agrees to and enforces.
As such, if SOV lands setup rules and such for their control, CCP probably wouldn't do anything. |
Holly Kleric
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:28:00 -
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It will never happen. BOB and Goons prove that any alliance will hit critical mass and then implode.
Spies, Griefers, Bored capsuleers. All will win in the end.
It's a game and if anyone gets that big someone will take em down and shake things up.
This is why i love eve. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
540
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:11:00 -
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It will show that there's a lot more incompetent corps and alliances in game than first feared.
Sad day in gaming history
But this is eve and patience is rewarded. Someone will accidentally insult the wrong person by turning up to a neck beard back rub showered and clean shaven, therefore expelled from the commune
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:21:00 -
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Spurty wrote:It will show that there's a lot more incompetent corps and alliances in game than first feared.
Sad day in gaming history
But this is eve and patience is rewarded. Someone will accidentally insult the wrong person by turning up to a neck beard back rub showered and clean shaven, therefore expelled from the commune
How in the world is using diplomacy to make peace a sign of incompetence?
Or did you never learn as a kid that words are often times harder than fists? |
AyayaPanda
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:33:00 -
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Nestor II wrote:I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.
only three power bloc left, boring.
by boring I'm not saying that there's no roam, no "big" fight, no small gang in low sec, no hs war dec game...
but very hard for small alliance find a home in 0.0, unless you are blue to someone
let's see how the Goons, Test+PL, and Solar thing working out |
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