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Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:53:00 - [31] Good respone. Im sure Xetic will have internal investigation before the board of honorary diplomats to determine the best course of action. Pot calling kettle. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Shredder Quote: Bite me! oh behave! ______________________ Pod from above.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:58:00 - [33] Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:03:00 - [34] Originally by: DeMundus Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: DeMundus Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here. Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Angelus X Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here. Personally I always think the best bet is to ask those named pilots in your alliance/corp if they did log off before impuning what the other side says rather than concluding instantly what they are saying is questionable. Yes, take it with a pinch of salt until you've check in with your own guys, but flat out refusal without screeny evidence is . . . i don't know, a little arrogant I guess. I do agree that anyone can happily say that someene else logged off, but I'd personally take those people's word of what happened, but then I have flown with them and spoken on TS grins and amn't at war with them. . . at the moment. winks. Speak with the people they've named and then come back with a rebuttal on their truthfulness. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:34:00 - [37] its a bunch of n00b carebears. WHAT DO U EXPECT? My vids and random stuff
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:51:00 - [38] its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Well, usually we are 3 frigs and a hevy. hitting HAC. the ceptors should be able to actually intercept and hold down the target long enuff for the hac to arrive - so ur saing that the BS should log instead of fighting of a ceptor?
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:00:00 - [40] youch, cant even claim he CTD or droped connection or owt. to get the apoc to disapear that quick he had to log in his alt char right? really lame.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots.
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:26:00 - [42] There we go again... __________ HC MasiEEE
thelung187	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:27:00 - [43] Edited by: thelung187 on 08/04/2005 19:26:55 Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots. No no, you're confused, you're all lame, they are just more lame. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something
Remmington Daniels	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Remmington Daniels on 08/04/2005 19:46:22 I doubt CCP would change the option... besides if they do.. all the xetic would quit the game due to the fact that CCP remove there way to win. This has actually happened a couple of times to myself and a few BOS. It IS highly irritating and annoying and it doesnt get Xetic anywhere, because the ships they save they lose in confrontations elsewhere. Just to clarify the definition of lame Quote: ame1 Audio pronunciation of "lame" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lm) adj. lamÀer, lamÀest 1. Disabled so that movement, especially walking, is difficult or impossible: Lame from the accident, he walked with a cane. A lame wing kept the bird from flying. 2. Marked by pain or rigidness: a lame back. 3. Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory: a lame attempt to apologize; lame excuses for not arriving on time. Hold on isnt 3 Xetic?
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [45] Originally by: DeMundus Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Well, usually we are 3 frigs and a hevy. hitting HAC. the ceptors should be able to actually intercept and hold down the target long enuff for the hac to arrive - so ur saing that the BS should log instead of fighting of a ceptor? no i think its lame to log off but its just as lame to come whine on the forums about it when you cant kill him with 4 ships apparently. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [46] If I recall correctly, when Shinra was questions about that guy logging off they said: you cant judge such a large corporation by the actions of one person. In that case, I dont think you should judge all of Xetic by the actions of a small number of ppl. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [47] We see this all the time, but usually we will bookmark the spot and put the person in our address book, when the log back in we warp to the spot and pretty much most of the time end up destroying the ship. It is a big pain in the but though. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Shin Ra If I recall correctly, when Shinra was questions about that guy logging off they said: you cant judge such a large corporation by the actions of one person. In that case, I dont think you should judge all of Xetic by the actions of a small number of ppl. of course they will judge all of xetic for it. but damn the whole world if they are judged by any action of one of their members Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:56:00 - [49] Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them?
Angelhunter	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:11:00 - [50] 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. ---------------
crice	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. cry more noob What a low class response.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots. We beat ur 5 wcs BS', then u log of... whats next? Stay in empire... With regards to our own ppl, iam no director - but Iam sure we kick ppl for doing so - in extrem cases. As said, Xetic can't do anything... But I know CCP can work wonders
Smith	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Balistic Void Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them? A Supremacy pilot did this to us in FoE space. We had 3 ravens pounding on him but he dissapeared really quickly. When we petitioned it, the GM said there was nothing he could proove, despite the fact that the same guy did it twice in one evening. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Smith	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Balistic Void Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them? A Supremacy pilot did this to us in FoE space. We had 3 ravens pounding on him but he dissapeared really quickly. When we petitioned it, the GM said there was nothing he could proove, despite the fact that the same guy did it twice in one evening. Only twice!
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:30:00 - [56] The GMs are utterly clueless most of the time. Not their fault I suppose, they rely on rule clarifications handed down from mystical GM high command. They are probably unaware that there are 2 different situations: A - Ship disappears 2 minutes after player logs off (works as designed). B - Ship disappears before 2 minutes because the player logs an alternate character on (this is EXPLOITING OUT OF GAME mechanics). The fix is pretty simple (and it IS a bugfix - not a change to the rules), don't let people log an alternate character on until their other characters disappear from space. And no, this shouldn't prevent people from logging back on straight away after a crash because it should only apply to other characters in that account (not the one that logged off).
Rivek	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:31:00 - [57] This is alot more widespread than is usually realized. The two minute timer can often be adequate but more and more often we see scrambled battleships disapear in under 30 seconds via an exploit which the GMs and devs do nothing about. (I wont describe the method) Often Tundragon has employed interceptor squads to evade enemy blobbage of 3x our numbers and pick off targets of opportunity... or simply to be more mobile and be able to go pick the fight outside of our home. So so often we have scrambled the lone bs on our way somewhere only to have the guy disapear completely as he is nearing death, well before the 2 minute timer has elapsed.... more like 25 seconds! Its pure 100% undisputable bull**** exploiting and IMO these people should be punished in some meaningful way and better yet, the devs should make it impossible. ---------------------------------------------- BS Weapon Comparison TunDraGon.com
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:32:00 - [58] A GM clarification would be nice, to settle this issue once and for all.
Pylse	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:35:00 - [59] Why not just make it so that if you are locked when logging off, or become locked while still in space, your ship does not dissapear? That would solve, if not all, some of the biggest problems with log of lamers. It can't be that hard, just has to be done.
Angelhunter	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Smith Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout. 2 i can think of off-hand, Fields Caletis logged off twice in the same night, one time as he was being tackled by me at a gate and my fleet was en-route, and he logged off again Later when a deimos jumped him, both times in an Apoc. Another in YZ-LQL, we have just busted lolgiraf****'s safespot and killed him in His mega, then another Shinra pilot logged on and warped to that safespot and logged as we were blowing his ship up. I can dig for that second kill-mail if you wish. Those are just 2 instances i was involved in, and i know there were others i can get info about if necissary. ---------------

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