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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Shredder
Over the past 4 -jabba jabba- Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. -bla bla-
*chuckles*
Anyway, yeah logging off while you're being attacked is bad.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:16:25
Originally by: Gierling
Just to Clarify, the method that is being contended is the one in which YOU HAVE A SECOND SESSION OF EVE LOADED IN THE BACKGROUND, LOG OFF AND IMMEDIETLY PRESS THE ALT IN THE SECOND SESSION. CAUSING YOU TO DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY!
Yeah I could see how that would ruin a ganksquads day, lets hope that secret doesn't get out.
This, my friend gierling, could well be your one way ticket to a ban.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:24:00 -
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Why would he be banned? CCP have not made their position clear on this matter. We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics. Nothing to see here folks, move along please...
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:25:00 -
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lol, how to exploit Eve mechanics, in the Eve-O forums 
People face it, if the game allows it, some people are gonna use it. Imo jumping into a belt in a Raven and blowing up a hauler is just as lame, but yes, its kind of a glaring hole that should be addressed. |
Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:26:00 -
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"We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics"
blatant abuse of game mechanics = exploit, no?
wow, intelligence-o-meter just broke a few of my floorboards.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:28:00 -
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Errr no, using ingame tactics (no matter how lame) cannot be compared to using outofgame tactics (character screen). Especially since the outofgame cheating can be easily detected in this case!
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Harakiri
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
cry more noob[/quote
YEah -- you are more Noob than Shredder , he have been on this game since beta , have you ? if not your voice is worth null!
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:29:00 -
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Zdragva - I was being sarcastic. Maybe you shouldn't post about intelligence.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:43:02
Originally by: Balistic Void
Why would he be banned? CCP have not made their position clear on this matter. We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics. Nothing to see here folks, move along please...
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edit: just read you were being sarcastic 
I'll leave the explanation in anyway for those not as well informed.
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Ok, some explanation to how CCP works regarding exploits.
I will not discuss particulars or examples here to stay within forum rules.
First of all, the fact you have not informed wether or not something is an exploit will IN NO INSTANCE be accepted as an excuse if the tactic or abuse of mechanics you used is subsequently judged to fall under the exploit category.
So, wether or not you know about it has no bearing on the matter, if the GM judges it is illegal, a ban will follow.
Secondly, an earlier decision on wether or not something is an exploit does not mean that a new case under different circumstances must automatically be one too (or not).
Of course, if you asked, got a reply and can show in case of later gm action against you that an earlier communication indicated you would not be abusing game mechanics you have a point. Hearsay however will not save you.
So, wether or not CCP made their position on this matter clear or not is in no way a ticket out of jail, unless they made it clear to you personally, and regading that specific set of circumstances.
Now, to close this off.
Once the mods get wind of this thread, fiery rain of hell is going to undoubtedly descent on everyone that posted specifics about this may or may not be exploit. I suggest you stop being specific about it. Simply all send petitions to GM's asking wether or not this particular thing is allowed. If it is, we can discuss it, and I assure you I will be the first to spam it right across the forums untill CCP does something about it.
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:49:00 -
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just read the whole of this topic and it seems shinra should get there own house in order before moaning that others do it, whether it a bs/cruiser or any other ship and even if its not killed.
would agree its lame, but unfortunatly its built into the game mechanics.
also spare a thought for some carebears who **** themselves at the first sight of trouble and panic log, or dare i say some may actually drop connection (unlikely , but posible)
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:51:00 -
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This has been going on for too fecking long tho, all the lamers know about it. I've created a thread in patch review asking if it's an exploit. Hopefully they won't ban me
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void
This has been going on for too fecking long tho, all the lamers know about it. I've created a thread in patch review asking if it's an exploit. Hopefully they won't ban me
I've been kind enough to send a mail ro two myself as well.
I await eagerly to hear what their stance on it is.
If it's legal, prepare for forum hell.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.08 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:58:46
Originally by: ChaosOne
just read the whole of this topic and it seems shinra should get there own house in order before moaning that others do it, whether it a bs/cruiser or any other ship and even if its not killed.
would agree its lame, but unfortunatly its built into the game mechanics.
also spare a thought for some carebears who **** themselves at the first sight of trouble and panic log, or dare i say some may actually drop connection (unlikely , but posible)
Logging is one thing, it give me two minutes to kill you, which is enough most of the time provided you are scrambled.
Loggin and dissapearing is what we are talking about here, which is or should be another thing altogether.
The first needs code changes (logoff timer extension), the second needs some effort by GM's. The second is therefor too easy to prevent not to be called and handled like an exploit imo, altho there is no choice but to leave that decision to the GM's.
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.04.09 00:37:00 -
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We have only ever had proof of one shinra (hauler) doing this. The main owning that char was demoted and put on a final warning, and he lost his ship (he DIDNT log on an alt to make his dissappear).
If you have proof of others, please provide it.
Today I contacted the CEO of the guy in the video. A XETIC CEO. He specifically said (in between expletives) that he condoned the tactic and would do it himself. If anyone doubts this I will post the evemail he sent me, but im not logged on atm.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.04.09 00:44:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Lord Draco
When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in?
Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place.
It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity.
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PrimalFear
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Posted - 2005.04.09 01:34:00 -
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I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
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Shredder
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Posted - 2005.04.09 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: PrimalFear
I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
This thread is NOT, NOT about logging, its about logging off whilst scrambled and logging into an alt so you dissapear quickly, its a simple exploit.
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Caribardi
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Posted - 2005.04.09 01:45:00 -
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I'm wondering if some of these people lose control of their bowels and have to leave the computer desk suddenly. I could see where some people might prefer to be known as a logger than as "that guy who crapped himself when we ganked him."
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2005.04.09 01:46:00 -
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yep, logging on a alt to make a character disappear quicker is lame. im sure the devs will get onto it one day, but until then people will do it cos its human nature. whenever a exploit or bug like this is found its used, rightly or wrongly. you cant blame people for bad game mechanics and the using of them to there advantage and im sure there will be more exploits to come.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.09 01:49:00 -
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Ok Supremacy, If you want us to post the video of one of your guys logging off in combat using this trick, then all you had to do is ask. As soon as the guy who has it logs on I will make a nice little video for everyone to enjoy.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.04.09 02:34:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Lord Draco
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Lord Draco
When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in?
Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place.
It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity.
I took a few minutes to read the quotes more careful, and indeed you are right. I apologise for jumping down yer' throat without good reason . You can probably still leave the "I weap for humanity" sentences out, we after all are on the Eve-O Forums, anyone reading these boards without a good amount of alcohol intoxication deserves the resulting hangover regardless.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.04.09 04:03:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Lord Draco
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Lord Draco
When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in?
Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place.
It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity.
I took a few minutes to read the quotes more careful, and indeed you are right. I apologise for jumping down yer' throat without good reason . You can probably still leave the "I weap for humanity" sentences out, we after all are on the Eve-O Forums, anyone reading these boards without a good amount of alcohol intoxication deserves the resulting hangover regardless.
Ok, np.
I did go a tad overboard. I was arguing with the girlfriend.
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Budz Fergie
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Posted - 2005.04.09 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Ok, np.
I did go a tad overboard. I was arguing with the girlfriend.
Wait till you're married and have a kid around. Your gaming time shrinks dramatically!
[14:23:44] Seek > lol good tank
[14:24:09] Budz Fergie > ty
[14:24:14] Seek > :)
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.09 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: PrimalFear
I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
Is it your job to run around these forums useing colored letters to flame your enemys with some irrelevent BS?
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.04.09 09:22:00 -
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Got this bugger before he could vanish 2nd time
First time we scrambled him he vanished within 1minute (I checked logs to make sure) but he forgot to turn his tank on first so I put him into structure before he vanished. He logged on 2 hours later, turned his tank on and logged off but we managed to pop him before he could vanish faster than normal.
Pretty lame but his corp name kinda explains the reason why he did it.
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Corsair Thunder
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Posted - 2005.04.09 10:24:00 -
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I can't stand log off tactics, just a really really poor excuse cos ure not man enough to lose your ship. CCP should definatly do something to prevent these tactics from occuring in the future. I would have thought the best way is to go down fighting, as no-body gets angry, and you get respected for losing your ship, and hey you may even take some people with you.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.04.09 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: PrimalFear
I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
Is it your job to run around these forums useing colored letters to flame your enemys with some irrelevent BS?
Not irrelevant. I was in a fleet in ub5 that came in to relieve station from Mass attack. We jump in and a few minutes several mass log off. Kinda lame to start a fight with "carebears" and log off when they show up to play.
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Ivilb Itch
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Posted - 2005.04.09 11:34:00 -
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Shinra love logging off in a system and do concerted logins. Its beautiful to see local expanding almost instantly and there are no gate activations in the system...
Cant see how that is less lame....
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HyperBaton
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Posted - 2005.04.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ivilb Itch
Shinra love logging off in a system and do concerted logins. Its beautiful to see local expanding almost instantly and there are no gate activations in the system...
Cant see how that is less lame....
Well now, when we are massively outnumbered, the obvious thing to do would be to take a break and come back later right? No wait, you'd prefer us to do a kamikaze attack... k. Next time we will try to log in one person every 5 min, so your brain can process all the data slowly.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.04.09 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: PrimalFear
I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
I'd really like to see proof that any MASS member has logged whilst engaged. Even more I'd like to see fraps of it, including this under 2 minute logoff exploit people are talking about. I'm about 99% positive if a MASS member ever did that he'd be ripped to shreds by Trig 
Until such proof is given I think you're talkin about safespotting and logging, which yup, we do all the time funnily enough. We are a wheeeeeeeee bit outnumbered by Xetic you know. We also aren't suicidal.
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