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Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:31:00 - [1] Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic.
Felxia	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:32:00 - [2] Do you want some cheese with that wajn? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I look at you with pity...
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:32:00 - [3] Got pics? Got fraps? If you do, please name and shame. Otherwise, you're just coming across as attempting propoganda. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Shredder on 08/04/2005 17:36:25 Sure do, i should have them by this evening when i get back from the pub, apolagies for not having the fraps at hand. EDIT: got the fraps with my corp m8 hes loading it up now, and they're gonna post names of some of the culprits.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:37:00 - [5] Excellent (as Mr Burns says). Log-off merchants are a pain in the bum and I don't care if they're enemy or alliance-mates - naming and shaming is a nice way to shame them into stopping. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:39:00 - [6] I agree wih Josh Log Off tactics are lame..... Ohhhhh this can be the official Name and Shame Thread..... --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. cry more noob ______________________ Pod from above.
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days Two weeks of it here, glad it's over tbh But to be fair, against the whole of Xetic (read: thousands), the blatant loggers are well in the minority. 5 WCS Ravens on the other hand... If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
The Ratfink	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:40:00 - [9] lame!!!
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:41:00 - [10] Perhaps you should stop your own corp members doing it before you go around complaining about other people doing it! Linkage ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Xeris	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. cry more noob You forgot to use an alt. Too lazy to get my sig changed
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Latex Mistress Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days Two weeks of it here, glad it's over tbh But to be fair, against the whole of Xetic (read: thousands), the blatant loggers are well in the minority. 5 WCS Ravens on the other hand... I dont have anything against 5 wcs ravens, its a fair enough tactic, just need more tacklers. Logging off is a game exploit. Maybe it is the minority, but we get literaly something like 50% of the battleships we jump doing it.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Xeris Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. cry more noob You forgot to use an alt. Sorry mate, i dont do alts. ______________________ Pod from above.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 08/04/2005 17:46:06 Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 08/04/2005 17:44:45 Hi ****edTool, you sod EDIT: That's his name btw...P\|ssedTool EDIT2: Bloody forums editting his name Linkie2 coz of annoying forum rules /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Feanor	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Shin Ra Perhaps you should stop your own corp members doing it before you go around complaining about other people doing it! Linkage You couldnt kill a hauler in less than 1 minute? You suck.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:44:00 - [16] Yes, in my days of hunting xetic in providence I've had quite a number of them log on me. It's most irritating when they use the instant-disappear exploit. Oh well.
Marichek	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Marichek on 08/04/2005 17:49:14 Edited by: Marichek on 08/04/2005 17:47:00 link is borked, m8 nvm, you fixed it hehe just watched the clip...truly does suck DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:46:00 - [18] Quote: Bite me!
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. The majority of Xetic piltos that I know, are all fiercely against this exploit. But please, go ahead and name a shame with some proof, dont just say "umgwtf 12 battleships done this, and they are all xetic, xetic are the n00bs".
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:48:00 - [20] Yea the guy's name is filtered /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:48:00 - [21] Heres the fraps of the apoc that logged on us three times
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:48:00 - [22] Screenshot 1 Screenshot 2 Screenshot 3 Lame. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/04/2005 17:52:11 Originally by: Feanor Originally by: Shin Ra Perhaps you should stop your own corp members doing it before you go around complaining about other people doing it! Linkage You couldnt kill a hauler in less than 1 minute? You suck. Yeah I was in a vigil with 1 missle launcher. Don't worry tho. We got him 5 minutes later: Linkage2 Yeah its only an indy but my point is Shinra are complaining about other people doing, when they themselves do it! Plus the guy warped to that planet and logged when he was in warp so it was a lot less than 1 minute. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:51:00 - [24] Looks pretty conclusive, tbh. I'm not making excuses for the guy but this happens a lot on both sides of the fence these days and it's not helped by CCP's lax attitude towards it. It's a vicious circle too - log-off merchants make people use more ships to beat the 1-min timer which then makes people log-off when they face insurmountable odds. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:52:00 - [25] Edited by: Kuolematon on 11/04/2005 15:50:04 Due general request, this message has been edited. _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.
Marichek	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Feanor Originally by: Shin Ra Perhaps you should stop your own corp members doing it before you go around complaining about other people doing it! Linkage You couldnt kill a hauler in less than 1 minute? You suck. Yeah I was in a vigil with 1 missle launcher. Don't worry tho. We got him 5 minutes later: Linkage2 Yeah its only an indy but my point is Shinra are complaining about other people doing, when they themselves do it! Yeah, thats the trouble with fitting so many wcs, sometimes even haulers can tank you. Just go play CS or something. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Shamad Conde	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Shredder Originally by: Latex Mistress Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days Two weeks of it here, glad it's over tbh But to be fair, against the whole of Xetic (read: thousands), the blatant loggers are well in the minority. 5 WCS Ravens on the other hand... I dont have anything against 5 wcs ravens, its a fair enough tactic, just need more tacklers. Logging off is a game exploit. Maybe it is the minority, but we get literaly something like 50% of the battleships we jump doing it. Still waiting for you to tell us about the shinra guy logging off. Pathetic is what you called it?
Tansien	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Feanor Originally by: Shin Ra Perhaps you should stop your own corp members doing it before you go around complaining about other people doing it! Linkage You couldnt kill a hauler in less than 1 minute? You suck. Yeah I was in a vigil with 1 missle launcher. Don't worry tho. We got him 5 minutes later: Linkage2 Yeah its only an indy but my point is Shinra are complaining about other people doing, when they themselves do it! You've already brought this up in another thread, and it has already been dealt with internaly, so unless you can name another shinra member who logged since then, go back to your safespot.
thelung187	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:52:00 - [29] Indeed, we too had Fountain do it a couple times (/me glares at REDD), but Xetic pull this tactic wayyyyy too much. Case in point: Parlek [DDC]. [ 2005.04.05 20:19:54 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Battleship, "Parlek [DDC]". 1 min. later, he was gone, bc he logged. CCP needs to fix this by either destroying the ship or stop it from disappearing. Otherwise this is an open exploit that apparently is completely acceptable. Screenshots of this to come, btw. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:53:00 - [30] The ghey part is. We catch him, scramble him for more then he has lowslots, and he disappears within 30 seconds from logging. We wait for him, he comes to the gate AND HAS ALREADY LOGGED AGAIN by the time he comes out of warp at the gate. Disappears 20 seconds later. So much for 2 minute logoff timer eh? /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:53:00 - [31] Good respone. Im sure Xetic will have internal investigation before the board of honorary diplomats to determine the best course of action. Pot calling kettle. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Shredder Quote: Bite me! oh behave! ______________________ Pod from above.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:58:00 - [33] Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:03:00 - [34] Originally by: DeMundus Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: DeMundus Edited by: DeMundus on 08/04/2005 17:59:02 I was in the small group Shredder is talking about - I can remeber these names, mainly because we managed to kil them before they vanished (magic?) Woll - Scorpion pilot: Over jumped a gate - 2 deimos' on him, me bing 1 of them. He jammed me and logged off - he kept jamming me though he'd logged of (magic?). Luckly my wingman got him. Greeny Knight - Apoc pilot: Warps to a planet and gets intercepted - logs of and vanish b4 we can take him down (magic). Its DT 5 min later and after DT we all log in at the spot - Greeny Knight logs in aswell - and warps into our small group - this time he logs again but apoc gets destroyed befor he vanish.Proof Mishima - Apoc pilot: We send in a scout, Mishima says in local:"Iam gonna go to ss and log b4 u can say: Iam a****" We do get 6 points on him at a moon b4 he logs - he vanish b4 we can destroy his ship(magic?) - we set up a trap, by sending a scout out of system and keep an eye on buddy list - 45 min later he logs in and we send the scout in at the moon where he logged -this time we destroy his ship, though he tried to log again. Xtro2 - Raven pilot: Logs just as he is about to go down, but puts up a good fight - think he logs to save his pod w/ bounty on. Ship destroyed. I can only rember the names we did get because of killmails. But gonna start writing all u suckers down. Oh and not all of the above is xetic, but majority is - we are in thier main logistic system near empire. Proof Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here. Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Angelus X Firstly, dont bother telling us about it unless you've got a screeny like you have for two of those. But for the rest? hey check this out: Demundus - My Ibis blew up his Raven and he logged of to save his pod. See? And if there not all Xetic pilots then don't bother telling us about them here. Personally I always think the best bet is to ask those named pilots in your alliance/corp if they did log off before impuning what the other side says rather than concluding instantly what they are saying is questionable. Yes, take it with a pinch of salt until you've check in with your own guys, but flat out refusal without screeny evidence is . . . i don't know, a little arrogant I guess. I do agree that anyone can happily say that someene else logged off, but I'd personally take those people's word of what happened, but then I have flown with them and spoken on TS grins and amn't at war with them. . . at the moment. winks. Speak with the people they've named and then come back with a rebuttal on their truthfulness. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:34:00 - [37] its a bunch of n00b carebears. WHAT DO U EXPECT? My vids and random stuff
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:51:00 - [38] its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Well, usually we are 3 frigs and a hevy. hitting HAC. the ceptors should be able to actually intercept and hold down the target long enuff for the hac to arrive - so ur saing that the BS should log instead of fighting of a ceptor?
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:00:00 - [40] youch, cant even claim he CTD or droped connection or owt. to get the apoc to disapear that quick he had to log in his alt char right? really lame.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots.
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:26:00 - [42] There we go again... __________ HC MasiEEE
thelung187	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:27:00 - [43] Edited by: thelung187 on 08/04/2005 19:26:55 Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots. No no, you're confused, you're all lame, they are just more lame. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something
Remmington Daniels	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Remmington Daniels on 08/04/2005 19:46:22 I doubt CCP would change the option... besides if they do.. all the xetic would quit the game due to the fact that CCP remove there way to win. This has actually happened a couple of times to myself and a few BOS. It IS highly irritating and annoying and it doesnt get Xetic anywhere, because the ships they save they lose in confrontations elsewhere. Just to clarify the definition of lame Quote: ame1 Audio pronunciation of "lame" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lm) adj. lamÀer, lamÀest 1. Disabled so that movement, especially walking, is difficult or impossible: Lame from the accident, he walked with a cane. A lame wing kept the bird from flying. 2. Marked by pain or rigidness: a lame back. 3. Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory: a lame attempt to apologize; lame excuses for not arriving on time. Hold on isnt 3 Xetic?
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [45] Originally by: DeMundus Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. Well, usually we are 3 frigs and a hevy. hitting HAC. the ceptors should be able to actually intercept and hold down the target long enuff for the hac to arrive - so ur saing that the BS should log instead of fighting of a ceptor? no i think its lame to log off but its just as lame to come whine on the forums about it when you cant kill him with 4 ships apparently. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [46] If I recall correctly, when Shinra was questions about that guy logging off they said: you cant judge such a large corporation by the actions of one person. In that case, I dont think you should judge all of Xetic by the actions of a small number of ppl. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:46:00 - [47] We see this all the time, but usually we will bookmark the spot and put the person in our address book, when the log back in we warp to the spot and pretty much most of the time end up destroying the ship. It is a big pain in the but though. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Shin Ra If I recall correctly, when Shinra was questions about that guy logging off they said: you cant judge such a large corporation by the actions of one person. In that case, I dont think you should judge all of Xetic by the actions of a small number of ppl. of course they will judge all of xetic for it. but damn the whole world if they are judged by any action of one of their members Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 19:56:00 - [49] Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them?
Angelhunter	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:11:00 - [50] 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. ---------------
crice	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days myself and a small group of corp mates have been engaging xetic battleships on route to xetic space. We have so far had 12 or more battleships log off on us whilst scrambled. This kind of tactic is completely out of line, today really was the last straw when we had one apoc log off THREE times whilst scrambled (we frapsed and screenshotted it). In all my time fighting fountain, stain, fix etc. i have never seen ANYONE use such a pathetic tactic. Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. Its all very well to safespot and log off, but to log off as soon as you get tackled is plain pathetic. cry more noob What a low class response.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 08/04/2005 19:23:59 Originally by: DeMundus Firstly I do not expect Xetic to do anything about it...not at all - u guys do what ur best at. But I do hope CCP will do something about this. Congrats, once again an enemy of Xetic is slating an entire 3000+ member alliance on the universally agreed, LAME, actions of a handful of pilots. We beat ur 5 wcs BS', then u log of... whats next? Stay in empire... With regards to our own ppl, iam no director - but Iam sure we kick ppl for doing so - in extrem cases. As said, Xetic can't do anything... But I know CCP can work wonders
Smith	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Balistic Void Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them? A Supremacy pilot did this to us in FoE space. We had 3 ravens pounding on him but he dissapeared really quickly. When we petitioned it, the GM said there was nothing he could proove, despite the fact that the same guy did it twice in one evening. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Smith	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Balistic Void Malken didn't you read the thread? Some of the ships disappeared in 20-30 seconds apparently. I seem to remember reading somewhere that deliberately logging in an alt character to "instadisappear" is classed as an exploit? Probably my imagination. Try petitioning them? A Supremacy pilot did this to us in FoE space. We had 3 ravens pounding on him but he dissapeared really quickly. When we petitioned it, the GM said there was nothing he could proove, despite the fact that the same guy did it twice in one evening. Only twice!
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:30:00 - [56] The GMs are utterly clueless most of the time. Not their fault I suppose, they rely on rule clarifications handed down from mystical GM high command. They are probably unaware that there are 2 different situations: A - Ship disappears 2 minutes after player logs off (works as designed). B - Ship disappears before 2 minutes because the player logs an alternate character on (this is EXPLOITING OUT OF GAME mechanics). The fix is pretty simple (and it IS a bugfix - not a change to the rules), don't let people log an alternate character on until their other characters disappear from space. And no, this shouldn't prevent people from logging back on straight away after a crash because it should only apply to other characters in that account (not the one that logged off).
Rivek	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:31:00 - [57] This is alot more widespread than is usually realized. The two minute timer can often be adequate but more and more often we see scrambled battleships disapear in under 30 seconds via an exploit which the GMs and devs do nothing about. (I wont describe the method) Often Tundragon has employed interceptor squads to evade enemy blobbage of 3x our numbers and pick off targets of opportunity... or simply to be more mobile and be able to go pick the fight outside of our home. So so often we have scrambled the lone bs on our way somewhere only to have the guy disapear completely as he is nearing death, well before the 2 minute timer has elapsed.... more like 25 seconds! Its pure 100% undisputable bull**** exploiting and IMO these people should be punished in some meaningful way and better yet, the devs should make it impossible. ---------------------------------------------- BS Weapon Comparison TunDraGon.com
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:32:00 - [58] A GM clarification would be nice, to settle this issue once and for all.
Pylse	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:35:00 - [59] Why not just make it so that if you are locked when logging off, or become locked while still in space, your ship does not dissapear? That would solve, if not all, some of the biggest problems with log of lamers. It can't be that hard, just has to be done.
Angelhunter	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Smith Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout. 2 i can think of off-hand, Fields Caletis logged off twice in the same night, one time as he was being tackled by me at a gate and my fleet was en-route, and he logged off again Later when a deimos jumped him, both times in an Apoc. Another in YZ-LQL, we have just busted lolgiraf****'s safespot and killed him in His mega, then another Shinra pilot logged on and warped to that safespot and logged as we were blowing his ship up. I can dig for that second kill-mail if you wish. Those are just 2 instances i was involved in, and i know there were others i can get info about if necissary. ---------------
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Smith Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout. 2 i can think of off-hand, Fields Caletis logged off twice in the same night, one time as he was being tackled by me at a gate and my fleet was en-route, and he logged off again Later when a deimos jumped him, both times in an Apoc. Another in YZ-LQL, we have just busted lolgiraf****'s safespot and killed him in His mega, then another Shinra pilot logged on and warped to that safespot and logged as we were blowing his ship up. I can dig for that second kill-mail if you wish. Those are just 2 instances i was involved in, and i know there were others i can get info about if necissary. Im sorry but this is exactly why most of the other "UMGWTF you logged off" posts here are utterly useless. Unless you have some kind of Screenshot of Fraps proof of someone logging of, it means absolutely sweet fa. (Pun intended )
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:47:00 - [62] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Smith Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout. 2 i can think of off-hand, Fields Caletis logged off twice in the same night, one time as he was being tackled by me at a gate and my fleet was en-route, and he logged off again Later when a deimos jumped him, both times in an Apoc. Another in YZ-LQL, we have just busted lolgiraf****'s safespot and killed him in His mega, then another Shinra pilot logged on and warped to that safespot and logged as we were blowing his ship up. I can dig for that second kill-mail if you wish. Those are just 2 instances i was involved in, and i know there were others i can get info about if necissary. LOL Shinra = Owned. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Gierling	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:58:00 - [63] Just to Clarify, the method that is being contended is the one in which YOU HAVE A SECOND SESSION OF EVE LOADED IN THE BACKGROUND, LOG OFF AND IMMEDIETLY PRESS THE ALT IN THE SECOND SESSION. CAUSING YOU TO DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY! Yeah I could see how that would ruin a ganksquads day, lets hope that secret doesn't get out. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Tansien	Posted - 2005.04.08 20:59:00 - [64] Edited by: Tansien on 08/04/2005 21:00:39 Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Smith Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Prove it you ugly trout. 2 i can think of off-hand, Fields Caletis logged off twice in the same night, one time as he was being tackled by me at a gate and my fleet was en-route, and he logged off again Later when a deimos jumped him, both times in an Apoc. Another in YZ-LQL, we have just busted lolgiraf****'s safespot and killed him in His mega, then another Shinra pilot logged on and warped to that safespot and logged as we were blowing his ship up. I can dig for that second kill-mail if you wish. Those are just 2 instances i was involved in, and i know there were others i can get info about if necissary. LOL Shinra = Owned. As a burn eden member you've lost all your rights to accuse other corps of beeing lame. And Angelhunter, proof? Oh, and i'm pretty sure we can find some examples where FA members have logged to save their ships.
Stained	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Gierling Just to Clarify, the method that is being contended is the one in which YOU HAVE A SECOND SESSION OF EVE LOADED IN THE BACKGROUND, LOG OFF AND IMMEDIETLY PRESS THE ALT IN THE SECOND SESSION. CAUSING YOU TO DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY! Yeah I could see how that would ruin a ganksquads day, lets hope that secret doesn't get out. That actually still works? I swear that is just a stupid myth someone made up and everyone beleived. ___________________________________________________________________ Hair is Over-rated.
Xeris	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:03:00 - [66] Edited by: Xeris on 08/04/2005 21:03:33 Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. Ask your FA macro miners in TU-Y2A about logging while warp scrambled, they seem to have perfected it. Actually now that I think about it, no they havn't because they still go boom anyway. Too lazy to get my sig changed
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:05:00 - [67] HUN macro miners 4tw.
Skape Gote	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Gierling Just to Clarify, the method that is being contended is the one in which YOU HAVE A SECOND SESSION OF EVE LOADED IN THE BACKGROUND, LOG OFF AND IMMEDIETLY PRESS THE ALT IN THE SECOND SESSION. CAUSING YOU TO DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY! Yeah I could see how that would ruin a ganksquads day, lets hope that secret doesn't get out. How can that possibly work? Doesnt the game log one session off as soon as you log another session of eve with the same account name? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. You know, you guys are only eclipsed by XF in terms of lameness. Most of the time ppl we fight earn our respect. You have not. But hey, XF are now sinking lower than FA. Atleast FA didnt have to hire other ppl to fight for them.
Angelhunter	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:20:00 - [70] Thats fine and well, but this discussion isn;t about what FA pilots are doing. This Discussion is about Shinra Corp Members that are whining about people using the same "Lame" tactics that they use. I dont know or much care about what tactics some people in FA use when i am not around, even if they are un-honorable tactics, they do as they wish and they aren't whining about others here are they? What i do care about is when you guys are coming on here and whining about people doing the same things you are doing. SO get over it and get over yourselves. ---------------
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Lord Draco But hey, XF are now sinking lower than FA. Atleast FA didnt have to hire other ppl to fight for them. As an professionally interested party, mind if I ask whom they have apparently hired to fight on their side and if it is empire or a 0.0 contract do you know? Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Angelhunter Thats fine and well, but this discussion isn;t about what FA pilots are doing. This Discussion is about Shinra Corp Members that are whining about people using the same "Lame" tactics that they use. I dont know or much care about what tactics some people in FA use when i am not around, even if they are un-honorable tactics, they do as they wish and they aren't whining about others here are they? What i do care about is when you guys are coming on here and whining about people doing the same things you are doing. SO get over it and get over yourselves. Originally by: Angelhunter 3 Words, Pot, Kettle, and Black. Shinra pilots logged off several times while under attack by FA pilots, you have no right to whine about other people using the same tactics you use. When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in?
Tesk Malloc	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:49:00 - [73] Originally by: Shin Ra A Supremacy pilot did this to us in FoE space. We had 3 ravens pounding on him but he dissapeared really quickly. When we petitioned it, the GM said there was nothing he could proove, despite the fact that the same guy did it twice in one evening. Fraps? Pics? If not, then I stand by my own personal resolution that I had 6 Burn Eden pilots log off on me as I was about to kill them. Just as proovable. Don't make the accusations unless you can back em up pet. If you have got fraps or similar perhaps, post them. Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and All Round Nasty Piece Of Work "You can't love life too much. Everybody dies."
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:51:00 - [74] Who the **** is Fields Caletis?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:55:00 - [75] Originally by: DeMundus Who the ** is Fields Caletis? Either a Shinra newcomer or he's been there exactly n months.......... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 21:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Zandramus We see this all the time, but usually we will bookmark the spot and put the person in our address book, when the log back in we warp to the spot and pretty much most of the time end up destroying the ship. It is a big pain in the but though. Zandramus OMG yes we've done this to at least 3 battleships, but this latest one (which the fraps is of) kept logging, we were gimpt, we couldnt get him, which prompted me to post this thread.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:19:00 - [77] Yes, that trick does work. I didn't believe it myself at first but a corpmate and I tested it out on each other, and much to our dismay its true.
Xulnaga	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:24:00 - [78] As long as you want to name and shame logging Xetic pilots I have a few frapsed. Foxhunt of TMPL in an apoc. (still got his ship \o/) Anarchaic of DDC in a geddon. Harlock of NMM (Trial members)
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Lord Draco When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in? Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place.
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Xulnaga As long as you want to name and shame logging Xetic pilots I have a few frapsed. Foxhunt of TMPL in an apoc. (still got his ship \o/) Anarchaic of DDC in a geddon. Harlock of NMM (Trial members) When it comes to logging off DDC are the worst, they must go through some kind of log-off program before joining the corp. The number of DDC b-ships ive had scrambled that have logged on me is infuriating.
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:34:00 - [81] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: DeMundus Who the **** is Fields Caletis? Either a Shinra newcomer or he's been there exactly n months.......... I'll have a chat with him - his title is WiseGuy, means he has the rank of a newcomer - lets see how long he stays in snra - but iam not a director, I don't have power to kick ppl...yet:D
Hampstah	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:34:00 - [82] From the recent Dev chat: Quote: Hammerhead Viceroy, the forums are bad. You should not read them. We all should take this advice. nuff said.... ----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
romiro	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:40:00 - [83] OMG XETIC OMGWTF4TWUBERHAXPLOIT is this the first thing you have to master before joining? as for FA you guys just suck, if you cant come and fight even numbers the go back and crawl under the veldspar roid you came from.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:45:00 - [84] Originally by: romiro as for FA you guys just suck, if you cant come and fight even numbers the go back and crawl under the veldspar roid you came from. Yes, I mean how dare you even think of bringing more ships than "my fleet brings". I mean, that just makes a mockery of the game right? You, trying to fight us, with more numbers? What kind of n00b would try that?
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:50:00 - [85] FFS stfu already, all of you! Smack smack smack etc. If they just fix the damn ALT LOGIN _EXPLOIT_ this whole problem will be sorted. 2 minutes is well enough time to kill a battleship, no need to even change the game mechanics! Everytime someone disappears prematurely, PETITION it. And I DARE someone to complain about removing this unintended "feature"... Altho, with the new covert ops scanning changes, maybe a 5 minute timer would be nice But don't mind me - I'm just a griefer that wants to change the game to benefit myself
AvanCade	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Latex Mistress Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 days Two weeks of it here, glad it's over tbh But to be fair, against the whole of Xetic (read: thousands), the blatant loggers are well in the minority. 5 WCS Ravens on the other hand... Its the minority you always remember ;).
Northy	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:52:00 - [87] no its was the other way round in the FA campaign, they would not fight us 2v1 (FAvShinra) thats what the said thing was
AvanCade	Posted - 2005.04.08 22:53:00 - [88] oh and put a sock in it you all.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Balistic Void FFS stfu already, all of you! Smack smack smack etc. If they just fix the damn ALT LOGIN _EXPLOIT_ this whole problem will be sorted. 2 minutes is well enough time to kill a battleship, no need to even change the game mechanics! Everytime someone disappears prematurely, PETITION it. And I DARE someone to complain about removing this unintended "feature"... Altho, with the new covert ops scanning changes, maybe a 5 minute timer would be nice But don't mind me - I'm just a griefer that wants to change the game to benefit myself Increase the timer anyway ;)
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:05:00 - [90] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:18:40 Originally by: Righteous Fury Yes, in my days of hunting xetic in providence I've had quite a number of them log on me. It's most irritating when they use the instant-disappear exploit. Oh well. Well, if you frapsed him with local open, and his ship dissapears well within 2 minutes of him dissapearing form local, that means he used that certain way to dissapear before the logoff timer runs out. As far as I know, that still is deemed an exploit even when some GM's don't believe it can be done anymore (it can). So, if you have that frapsed with those details and it shows that (repeatedly even), petition it. Nothing will proabably come of it since fraps you made could be modified by you and as such cant be accepted as evidence, but just maybe the GM will be tempted to check the behaviour of the account in question and come to the same conclusion. Their logs show the abuse of said exploit, they can piece together the information and deal out teh punishment. They simply don't choose to, for whatever reason. One would be that people do not petition it enough to be taken seriously, because like I said, alot of people don't know it can be done, as this thread proves once again.
TheKiller8	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Shredder Over the past 4 -jabba jabba- Its getting ridiculas, stand up and fight likee men, its simply infuriating. -bla bla- chuckles Anyway, yeah logging off while you're being attacked is bad.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:16:00 - [92] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:16:25 Originally by: Gierling Just to Clarify, the method that is being contended is the one in which YOU HAVE A SECOND SESSION OF EVE LOADED IN THE BACKGROUND, LOG OFF AND IMMEDIETLY PRESS THE ALT IN THE SECOND SESSION. CAUSING YOU TO DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY! Yeah I could see how that would ruin a ganksquads day, lets hope that secret doesn't get out. This, my friend gierling, could well be your one way ticket to a ban.
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:24:00 - [93] Why would he be banned? CCP have not made their position clear on this matter. We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics. Nothing to see here folks, move along please...
Zdragva	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:25:00 - [94] lol, how to exploit Eve mechanics, in the Eve-O forums People face it, if the game allows it, some people are gonna use it. Imo jumping into a belt in a Raven and blowing up a hauler is just as lame, but yes, its kind of a glaring hole that should be addressed.
Zdragva	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:26:00 - [95] "We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics" blatant abuse of game mechanics = exploit, no? wow, intelligence-o-meter just broke a few of my floorboards.
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:28:00 - [96] Errr no, using ingame tactics (no matter how lame) cannot be compared to using outofgame tactics (character screen). Especially since the outofgame cheating can be easily detected in this case!
Harakiri	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:28:00 - [97] Originally by: Admiral Pieg cry more noob[/quote YEah -- you are more Noob than Shredder , he have been on this game since beta , have you ? if not your voice is worth null!
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:29:00 - [98] Zdragva - I was being sarcastic. Maybe you shouldn't post about intelligence.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:42:00 - [99] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:43:02 Originally by: Balistic Void Why would he be banned? CCP have not made their position clear on this matter. We don't know that it is classed as an exploit so we are just innocently discussing ways to blatantly abuse game mechanics. Nothing to see here folks, move along please... edit: just read you were being sarcastic I'll leave the explanation in anyway for those not as well informed. Ok, some explanation to how CCP works regarding exploits. I will not discuss particulars or examples here to stay within forum rules. First of all, the fact you have not informed wether or not something is an exploit will IN NO INSTANCE be accepted as an excuse if the tactic or abuse of mechanics you used is subsequently judged to fall under the exploit category. So, wether or not you know about it has no bearing on the matter, if the GM judges it is illegal, a ban will follow. Secondly, an earlier decision on wether or not something is an exploit does not mean that a new case under different circumstances must automatically be one too (or not). Of course, if you asked, got a reply and can show in case of later gm action against you that an earlier communication indicated you would not be abusing game mechanics you have a point. Hearsay however will not save you. So, wether or not CCP made their position on this matter clear or not is in no way a ticket out of jail, unless they made it clear to you personally, and regading that specific set of circumstances. Now, to close this off. Once the mods get wind of this thread, fiery rain of hell is going to undoubtedly descent on everyone that posted specifics about this may or may not be exploit. I suggest you stop being specific about it. Simply all send petitions to GM's asking wether or not this particular thing is allowed. If it is, we can discuss it, and I assure you I will be the first to spam it right across the forums untill CCP does something about it. Rod
ChaosOne	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:49:00 - [100] just read the whole of this topic and it seems shinra should get there own house in order before moaning that others do it, whether it a bs/cruiser or any other ship and even if its not killed. would agree its lame, but unfortunatly its built into the game mechanics. also spare a thought for some carebears who **** themselves at the first sight of trouble and panic log, or dare i say some may actually drop connection (unlikely , but posible)
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:51:00 - [101] This has been going on for too fecking long tho, all the lamers know about it. I've created a thread in patch review asking if it's an exploit. Hopefully they won't ban me
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:55:00 - [102] Originally by: Balistic Void This has been going on for too fecking long tho, all the lamers know about it. I've created a thread in patch review asking if it's an exploit. Hopefully they won't ban me I've been kind enough to send a mail ro two myself as well. I await eagerly to hear what their stance on it is. If it's legal, prepare for forum hell.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.04.08 23:57:00 - [103] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/04/2005 23:58:46 Originally by: ChaosOne just read the whole of this topic and it seems shinra should get there own house in order before moaning that others do it, whether it a bs/cruiser or any other ship and even if its not killed. would agree its lame, but unfortunatly its built into the game mechanics. also spare a thought for some carebears who **** themselves at the first sight of trouble and panic log, or dare i say some may actually drop connection (unlikely , but posible) Logging is one thing, it give me two minutes to kill you, which is enough most of the time provided you are scrambled. Loggin and dissapearing is what we are talking about here, which is or should be another thing altogether. The first needs code changes (logoff timer extension), the second needs some effort by GM's. The second is therefor too easy to prevent not to be called and handled like an exploit imo, altho there is no choice but to leave that decision to the GM's.
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.09 00:37:00 - [104] We have only ever had proof of one shinra (hauler) doing this. The main owning that char was demoted and put on a final warning, and he lost his ship (he DIDNT log on an alt to make his dissappear). If you have proof of others, please provide it. Today I contacted the CEO of the guy in the video. A XETIC CEO. He specifically said (in between expletives) that he condoned the tactic and would do it himself. If anyone doubts this I will post the evemail he sent me, but im not logged on atm.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.09 00:44:00 - [105] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Lord Draco When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in? Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place. It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity.
PrimalFear	Posted - 2005.04.09 01:34:00 - [106] I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk.
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.09 01:36:00 - [107] Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. This thread is NOT, NOT about logging, its about logging off whilst scrambled and logging into an alt so you dissapear quickly, its a simple exploit.
Caribardi	Posted - 2005.04.09 01:45:00 - [108] I'm wondering if some of these people lose control of their bowels and have to leave the computer desk suddenly. I could see where some people might prefer to be known as a logger than as "that guy who crapped himself when we ganked him." -------------------- This area is a Sun-Tzu-Quote- and Dead-Language-Free Zone.
ChaosOne	Posted - 2005.04.09 01:46:00 - [109] yep, logging on a alt to make a character disappear quicker is lame. im sure the devs will get onto it one day, but until then people will do it cos its human nature. whenever a exploit or bug like this is found its used, rightly or wrongly. you cant blame people for bad game mechanics and the using of them to there advantage and im sure there will be more exploits to come.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.09 01:49:00 - [110] Ok Supremacy, If you want us to post the video of one of your guys logging off in combat using this trick, then all you had to do is ask. As soon as the guy who has it logs on I will make a nice little video for everyone to enjoy. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.09 02:34:00 - [111] Originally by: Lord Draco Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Lord Draco When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in? Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place. It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity. I took a few minutes to read the quotes more careful, and indeed you are right. I apologise for jumping down yer' throat without good reason . You can probably still leave the "I weap for humanity" sentences out, we after all are on the Eve-O Forums, anyone reading these boards without a good amount of alcohol intoxication deserves the resulting hangover regardless.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.09 04:03:00 - [112] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Lord Draco Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Lord Draco When you jump into a thread not involving you, how can you complain about being brought in? Welcome to the PUBLIC forums. No single thread is exempt from responses outside "Shinra/XF" only. If you don't want people from FA commenting on your complaints, then dont make them in the first place. It's a damn good thing being intelligent and competent arent requirments for being in your corporation. IF and I stress IF you had read the quotes above my you would maybe understand my line. If however you did read the quotes and still posted what you posted I weap for humanity. I took a few minutes to read the quotes more careful, and indeed you are right. I apologise for jumping down yer' throat without good reason . You can probably still leave the "I weap for humanity" sentences out, we after all are on the Eve-O Forums, anyone reading these boards without a good amount of alcohol intoxication deserves the resulting hangover regardless. Ok, np. I did go a tad overboard. I was arguing with the girlfriend.
Budz Fergie	Posted - 2005.04.09 06:58:00 - [113] Originally by: Lord Draco Ok, np. I did go a tad overboard. I was arguing with the girlfriend. Wait till you're married and have a kid around. Your gaming time shrinks dramatically! [14:23:44] Seek > lol good tank [14:24:09] Budz Fergie > ty [14:24:14] Seek > :)
Lorth	Posted - 2005.04.09 07:57:00 - [114] Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. Is it your job to run around these forums useing colored letters to flame your enemys with some irrelevent BS?
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.04.09 09:22:00 - [115] Got this bugger before he could vanish 2nd time First time we scrambled him he vanished within 1minute (I checked logs to make sure) but he forgot to turn his tank on first so I put him into structure before he vanished. He logged on 2 hours later, turned his tank on and logged off but we managed to pop him before he could vanish faster than normal. Pretty lame but his corp name kinda explains the reason why he did it. ------------------------------------------
Corsair Thunder	Posted - 2005.04.09 10:24:00 - [116] I can't stand log off tactics, just a really really poor excuse cos ure not man enough to lose your ship. CCP should definatly do something to prevent these tactics from occuring in the future. I would have thought the best way is to go down fighting, as no-body gets angry, and you get respected for losing your ship, and hey you may even take some people with you. -----------------------------------------------
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:09:00 - [117] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. Is it your job to run around these forums useing colored letters to flame your enemys with some irrelevent BS? Not irrelevant. I was in a fleet in ub5 that came in to relieve station from Mass attack. We jump in and a few minutes several mass log off. Kinda lame to start a fight with "carebears" and log off when they show up to play.
Ivilb Itch	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:34:00 - [118] Shinra love logging off in a system and do concerted logins. Its beautiful to see local expanding almost instantly and there are no gate activations in the system... Cant see how that is less lame.... ________________________________ Victim of unnatural selection
HyperBaton	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Ivilb Itch Shinra love logging off in a system and do concerted logins. Its beautiful to see local expanding almost instantly and there are no gate activations in the system... Cant see how that is less lame.... Well now, when we are massively outnumbered, the obvious thing to do would be to take a break and come back later right? No wait, you'd prefer us to do a kamikaze attack... k. Next time we will try to log in one person every 5 min, so your brain can process all the data slowly.
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:52:00 - [120] Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. I'd really like to see proof that any MASS member has logged whilst engaged. Even more I'd like to see fraps of it, including this under 2 minute logoff exploit people are talking about. I'm about 99% positive if a MASS member ever did that he'd be ripped to shreds by Trig Until such proof is given I think you're talkin about safespotting and logging, which yup, we do all the time funnily enough. We are a wheeeeeeeee bit outnumbered by Xetic you know. We also aren't suicidal.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:55:00 - [121] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. I'd really like to see proof that any MASS member has logged whilst engaged. Even more I'd like to see fraps of it, including this under 2 minute logoff exploit people are talking about. I'm about 99% positive if a MASS member ever did that he'd be ripped to shreds by Trig Until such proof is given I think you're talkin about safespotting and logging, which yup, we do all the time funnily enough. We are a wheeeeeeeee bit outnumbered by Xetic you know. We also aren't suicidal. I think he meant MASS logged off while NOT in combat. Which is totally different from what we are talking about here. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.09 11:59:00 - [122] Originally by: Shin Ra I think he meant MASS logged off while NOT in combat. Which is totally different from what we are talking about here. I know, just making a point
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.09 12:06:00 - [123] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Shin Ra I think he meant MASS logged off while NOT in combat. Which is totally different from what we are talking about here. I know, just making a point isnt that what MASS and SE were whining about at one time? let me refresh your memory.... SE Fleet on one side outnumbering celest 3-1 atleast CA fleet on the other outnumbering celest 2-1 celest waits for a couple of hours for engagement and time gets very late for the euros. celest warps to a safe and logs off for the night and SE whines about exploit on these forums. and yes i know Mahhy, you are not SE now but you were then and you were whining about it. i see that standards change when you do it yourself. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.09 12:25:00 - [124] Originally by: Malken isnt that what MASS and SE were whining about at one time? let me refresh your memory.... SE Fleet on one side outnumbering celest 3-1 atleast CA fleet on the other outnumbering celest 2-1 celest waits for a couple of hours for engagement and time gets very late for the euros. celest warps to a safe and logs off for the night and SE whines about exploit on these forums. and yes i know Mahhy, you are not SE now but you were then and you were whining about it. i see that standards change when you do it yourself. No idea my friend. If someone did whine about it, it wasn't me that I can remember. To be honest I barely saw Celest, because I was mostly living in 0.0 at the time. Most of the SE/Celest action took place in Empire as far as I know. Personally I don't care, usually. Then only time people logging off gets to me is when they outnumber us, and they log. If you're completely blobbed out wth else are you supposed to do? Go in guns blazing?
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.09 12:29:00 - [125] Geez this is all so off topic, if you wanna have a discussion about logging off then make a thread, this ones regarding people who log off whilst scrambled and login to an alt so they instantly dissapear.
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.04.09 12:32:00 - [126] Originally by: Malken isnt that what MASS and SE were whining about at one time? let me refresh your memory.... SE Fleet on one side outnumbering celest 3-1 atleast CA fleet on the other outnumbering celest 2-1 celest waits for a couple of hours for engagement and time gets very late for the euros. celest warps to a safe and logs off for the night and SE whines about exploit on these forums. I was there at the time in system, you was wrong about SE outnumbering you 3-1 and wrong about CA outnumbering you 2-1, considering I was above the gate and saw both your and CA's fleet. Apart from that I didnt see much wrong with it, it was like 11pm so most euros probably needed a kip. ------------------------------------------
Riddari	Posted - 2005.04.09 13:28:00 - [127] Bring more guns, nuff said ¼©¼ a history
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.09 13:34:00 - [128] Yes. There's an idea. Let's all load up with 8 Heatsink IIs if we want to catch every target. Sounds like supreme tactics to me. Takes alot of thought and stuff. Awesome, i like it. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Eve II	Posted - 2005.04.09 13:56:00 - [129] Originally by: Riddari Bring more guns, nuff said Yep, then its a blob or a gank. Why did you post such crap?
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.09 13:57:00 - [130] Originally by: MadGaz Originally by: Malken isnt that what MASS and SE were whining about at one time? let me refresh your memory.... SE Fleet on one side outnumbering celest 3-1 atleast CA fleet on the other outnumbering celest 2-1 celest waits for a couple of hours for engagement and time gets very late for the euros. celest warps to a safe and logs off for the night and SE whines about exploit on these forums. I was there at the time in system, you was wrong about SE outnumbering you 3-1 and wrong about CA outnumbering you 2-1, considering I was above the gate and saw both your and CA's fleet. Apart from that I didnt see much wrong with it, it was like 11pm so most euros probably needed a kip. we had both enemy fleet scouted pretty good even a couple of systems behind them. they did outnumber us 3-1 and 2-1. we waited for 2 hours in DSS-EZ for anyone of them to engage us but i guess they didnt outnumber us enough that time for them to engage. so we got bored and tired and went to bed. and the day after there was that thread about us "exploiting" by logging off wich went on for some 20 pages with SE calling us sploiters and whatever. personally i think that with the amount of "pvp" corps now attacking xetic that they are just plain lame. its a bit sissy-like that you have some of the most pvp oriented corps in the game attacking the most carbear gang in the game. i guess it shows how much those corps really are in to "pvp" and not just being lame and looking for what they think is biggest and softest target around. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Plim	Posted - 2005.04.09 19:13:00 - [131] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Malken isnt that what MASS and SE were whining about at one time? let me refresh your memory.... SE Fleet on one side outnumbering celest 3-1 atleast CA fleet on the other outnumbering celest 2-1 celest waits for a couple of hours for engagement and time gets very late for the euros. celest warps to a safe and logs off for the night and SE whines about exploit on these forums. and yes i know Mahhy, you are not SE now but you were then and you were whining about it. i see that standards change when you do it yourself. No idea my friend. If someone did whine about it, it wasn't me that I can remember. To be honest I barely saw Celest, because I was mostly living in 0.0 at the time. Most of the SE/Celest action took place in Empire as far as I know. Personally I don't care, usually. Then only time people logging off gets to me is when they outnumber us, and they log. If you're completely blobbed out wth else are you supposed to do? Go in guns blazing? The instance that Malken was talking about was prior to empire alliance wars. All Celes/SE conflict took place in 0.0 at that time. -----------------
Random	Posted - 2005.04.09 20:02:00 - [132] o/ hi mom \o_ /7 <----- Im dancing
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.04.09 20:05:00 - [133] TBH Celes if you read the thread you'll find it has nothing to do with you, no need to hijack it. It's about ships vanishing within 30 secs of logging, not the supposed 2 minute timer. Oh and to that xetic guy who said "bring more guns" I wonder what he'll say if all his enemies started using gank setups, heh. ------------------------------------------
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.09 20:34:00 - [134] Originally by: MadGaz TBH Celes if you read the thread you'll find it has nothing to do with you, no need to hijack it. It's about ships vanishing within 30 secs of logging, not the supposed 2 minute timer. Oh and to that xetic guy who said "bring more guns" I wonder what he'll say if all his enemies started using gank setups, heh. i wouldnt say that it was a hijack. i commented on a former SE member who said it was ok to warp to a safespot and log with the fact that SE had created a 20 page whine about celest exploiting when they warped to a safespot and logged off for the night. and if others are allowed to speak their views on logging on and off then why shouldnt celest be allowed to do the same. and btw madgaz i am not a member of celest now, so if this is a hijack then its a "Malken" hijack and as a paying customer i certainly have my right to have a opinion and express it on these forums just as much as you do if it is within the frames of the rules. so can you stop trolling about celes now troll Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.04.09 20:51:00 - [135] Ok we'll all stay logged on 24/7 foever just to keep u guys happy that ok?
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2005.04.09 22:03:00 - [136] I agree with Shredder on this one. Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.09 23:07:00 - [137] It's so funny that enemies always whine about being outnumbered when they attack the largest alliance in Eve. Either face the odds or STFU; we're getting very bored of your childish whining. For the clueless, my post can be translated as: Put or shut up. It's a shame that you've come across loggers but ALL alliances have their lamers. Even the super ultra mega uber SNRAATUKBOSREIGN'ers have their log-merchants. So, like, stop making like Calvert's and start making like pvp'ers. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Artharas	Posted - 2005.04.10 05:53:00 - [138] Edited by: Artharas on 10/04/2005 05:55:46 tbh I don't have any problem with logging while scrambled. I think the game mechanics just need to be changed so if you are taking dmg your ship disappears after longer time. Although I can't recall ever logging scrambled, I wouldn't really see it as an exploit(guess it is up to everyone to judge for themselvs.) but I wouldn't say no to getting a fix to this by somekind of "if you are taking dmg and are scrambled your ship doesn't disappear untill after 5(?) minutes from the time the guy started scrambling you". ------------------------- These are my views and don't necessarily represent my corp nor my alliance.
jamesw	Posted - 2005.04.10 10:36:00 - [139] I have been saying for a long time - if a ship is warp scrambled, the logoff timer should be removed alltogether until it is either not scrambled or dead. I dont care if the ship stays online for half an hour, it should not disappear until that warp scrambler is off it. I would be more than happy for this to happen to my own ship in the case of a CTD or net disconnect - I insure them for a reason! -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Majin Buu	Posted - 2005.04.10 22:34:00 - [140] Originally by: jamesw I have been saying for a long time - if a ship is warp scrambled, the logoff timer should be removed alltogether until it is either not scrambled or dead. I dont care if the ship stays online for half an hour, it should not disappear until that warp scrambler is off it. I would be more than happy for this to happen to my own ship in the case of a CTD or net disconnect - I insure them for a reason! [ 2005.04.10 22:02:25 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Scourge Heavy Missile I hits Nemyni [BTLS], doing 108.0 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Scourge Heavy Missile I hits Nemyni [BTLS], doing 108.0 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Nemyni [BTLS], inflicting 117.6 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II hits Nemyni [BTLS], doing 102.2 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:35 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II is well aimed at Nemyni [BTLS], inflicting 134.1 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:36 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Scourge Heavy Missile I hits Nemyni [BTLS], doing 108.0 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:40 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on Nemyni [BTLS], inflicting 157.7 damage. [ 2005.04.10 22:02:48 ] (notify) Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I deactivates because it's target, BFG 9000, is not locked. You want to have a word with that bloke about logging off to save his ship. He would of been alot better pulling in his drones and tanking me for 1 min so he could jump instead of logging off BoB KillBoard
jamesw	Posted - 2005.04.10 22:59:00 - [141] Originally by: Majin Buu You want to have a word with that bloke about logging off to save his ship. He would of been alot better pulling in his drones and tanking me for 1 min so he could jump instead of logging off Thats my whole point. If he logs off, his ship should stay there for as long as you can be bothered to warp scramble it. It is a seriously annoying tactic. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.11 00:00:00 - [142] Just had a Huzzah federation player try it. He underestimated how long it takes a zealot to strip his armor though (22 seconds BANG). FIX THIS CCP.
Soulis	Posted - 2005.04.11 03:15:00 - [143] well i have 2 accounts i decided to try this to see wether or not it was true. i warp scrambled my "other" guy and done what people are calling an exploit. now either you guys are lying or ccp has fixed it but i ended up with player on screen at the same time. 2 from the same account and 1 from another. the guy i had scrambled stayed for the same amount of time that he did when i tried just plain loggin out with him.
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.11 03:24:00 - [144] you did something wrong.
Soulis	Posted - 2005.04.11 04:18:00 - [145] you would say that....but please feel free to eve mail me and explain how it's done and i will try it again.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.11 05:20:00 - [146] That SUPRM logger vid is coming soon. Tonight we had an entire mining op log off on us and use the quick vanish tactic. So we show info on the cans that are there and get tehir names. Log off at the belt. The guy logs on so the rest of us log on. When we get there he is warping out. Kinda sucks. Were our tactics lame? Yes they were, but its the only way to get ppl like this. It worked on that shinra indy. I suggest u guys try it to xetic. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Estios	Posted - 2005.04.11 08:57:00 - [147] Edited by: Estios on 11/04/2005 09:13:39 Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. You are such a troll. Even though nearly a whole gaming community can agree that the log off timer is a gameplay issue all you can do is attempt to flame someone because you dont like them. You are a sad pathetic person Malken, I pity you. Logging off when tackled IS a problem most players will agree (I dont care who does it). You think you are such a smarta55 with your 'bring a BS' comments, well nubjes most tanked BS's can turn their reps on and log off and tank any other BS for 2 mins so pls think more when doing your lame flames k I agree with Masiee though, so much whining these days. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Fred0	Posted - 2005.04.11 09:05:00 - [148] Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's a shame that you've come across loggers but ALL alliances have their lamers. Even the super ultra mega uber SNRAATUKBOSREIGN'ers have their log-merchants. So true, amen.
Estios	Posted - 2005.04.11 09:17:00 - [149] Originally by: PrimalFear I dunno MASS and ATUK have a real prob with logging aswell, tsk, tsk. Proof is nice when making sweeping accusations/lies So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Zdragva	Posted - 2005.04.11 11:23:00 - [150] I remember putting Shakaz XIV (i think thats her proper name) into my buddy list when I was up North cos she logged off, this was the time you guys were using your dual mwd cloaking ravens in pairs, remember? Unfortunatly she didnt log off while scrambled, only at a safespot cos she was afraid she might die. Equally lame imo, alas I have no proof
Estios	Posted - 2005.04.11 11:27:00 - [151] Originally by: Zdragva I remember putting Shakaz XIV (i think thats her proper name) into my buddy list when I was up North cos she logged off, this was the time you guys were using your dual mwd cloaking ravens in pairs, remember? Unfortunatly she didnt log off while scrambled, only at a safespot cos she was afraid she might die. Equally lame imo, alas I have no proof lol you continue to show your ignorance and stupidity to the whole of the EVE community, no-one really needs to even bother replying to you after this now because you do a better job of ruining yourself than anyone else could possibly ever do. So now going to a safespot and logging off is similar to logging whilst scrambled ???? OMG you are the lamest person in EVE at present. Shakaz happens to be one of the best players Ive come across in EVE, unfortunately even HE needs to log out of EVE sometimes You should probably just unplug your keyboard right now dude, you are a joke. ATUK log out of EVE everynow and again , shock horror So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.04.11 17:49:00 - [152] Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's so funny that enemies always whine about being outnumbered when they attack the largest alliance in Eve. Either face the odds or STFU; we're getting very bored of your childish whining. It's a shame that you've come across loggers but ALL alliances have their lamers. Even the super ultra mega uber SNRAATUKBOSREIGN'ers have their log-merchants. So, like, stop making like Calvert's and start making like pvp'ers. They are childish aren' they. I guess college doesn't hand out as much homework as it used to. I'm just glad someone else has to deal with them, right now. Good luck with that. And I also agree that some of these cats should not be pointing fingers about logging off...
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2005.04.11 18:01:00 - [153] This is way too funy.. Shinra complaining about someone using their tactics.. How many times have we seen them come into FIX space to log off and wait until they have a larger fleet... How does it feel???? FIX FTW
Astruma	Posted - 2005.04.11 18:03:00 - [154] So much arrogance and hypocisy, so many morons in this thread. You seriously need help, get a ******* life you idiot kids - it's a computer GAME, nothing more. Are you so detached from reality from shooting at too many PRETEND space ships and PRETEND asteriods. Grow up FFS, get a grip - these forums are pathetic these days.
Torch Toomb	Posted - 2005.04.11 18:05:00 - [155] Originally by: Crzycnck2 This is way too funy.. Shinra complaining about someone using their tactics.. How many times have we seen them come into FIX space to log off and wait until they have a larger fleet... How does it feel???? How is that anyway similar to logging off when being scrambled? Get a clue ktnx.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.11 18:13:00 - [156] Originally by: Astruma So much arrogance and hypocisy, so many morons in this thread. You seriously need help, get a ******* life you idiot kids - it's a computer GAME, nothing more. Are you so detached from reality from shooting at too many PRETEND space ships and PRETEND asteriods. Grow up FFS, get a grip - these forums are pathetic these days. simmer down now lad.. heres a cookie....... feel better now? good, now go sit down and take a few deep breaths I got awesome siggy!! anyhoo logging while scramed, is bad mmkay? Only game that still allows one to log out/vanish w/out enfocing timer that i know of to date there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.11 18:33:00 - [157] uhh ohs... dont let kayo see those catgirls!
Deadzone	Posted - 2005.04.11 19:51:00 - [158] Originally by: Epofhis Originally by: Astruma So much arrogance and hypocisy, so many morons in this thread. You seriously need help, get a ******* life you idiot kids - it's a computer GAME, nothing more. Are you so detached from reality from shooting at too many PRETEND space ships and PRETEND asteriods. Grow up FFS, get a grip - these forums are pathetic these days. simmer down now lad.. heres a cookie....... feel better now? good, now go sit down and take a few deep breaths I got awesome siggy!! anyhoo logging while scramed, is bad mmkay? Only game that still allows one to log out/vanish w/out enfocing timer that i know of to date Too bad he is right Epofhis. ..... too bad he is absolutly right. Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:03:00 - [159] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 11/04/2005 09:13:39 Originally by: Malken its lame but its even more lame to not being able to kill em during those 2min. and one you apparently couldnt kill in 6min. bring something bigger then a solo frig to shoot with and you might manage to kill something then. coming here whining because you cant kill it in time is lame. if you were in a BS and he logged off you would manage to kill him in that time. You are such a troll. Even though nearly a whole gaming community can agree that the log off timer is a gameplay issue all you can do is attempt to flame someone because you dont like them. You are a sad pathetic person Malken, I pity you. Logging off when tackled IS a problem most players will agree (I dont care who does it). You think you are such a smarta55 with your 'bring a BS' comments, well nubjes most tanked BS's can turn their reps on and log off and tank any other BS for 2 mins so pls think more when doing your lame flames k I agree with Masiee though, so much whining these days. i dunno about you but if you have 4 ships shooting and you cant kill something within 2min thenyou need to learn how to use a bigger gun. simple as that. ive killed people who has attempted to log off and it worked fine thankyou. its not my fault if you have a problem with fitting adequate sized guns to shoot with. and yeah i dont like atuk but that is no news i guess. and yes i pity you as all you are capable of is backstabbing people and spew so much bull** that its insane and the funny part is that after a while you guys even believe your own lies. Originally by:** Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
Marovinchian	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:10:00 - [160] U know what really yanks my noodle....calling logging off or logging in too battle a tactic, it's just a weak **** way too save your ship or gank someone, not a tactical usage of the game's pvp mechanics. Logging off while warp scrambled or while jumping (another popular one) is just sad and pathetic...now i know half the eve world will say "Well, not all of us play too fight" or "gate campers and pirates ruin the game so i have too log off or i will quit". Too those people, stay in 1.0 and i hear there are some very good corps for u too join that will keep you safe (caldari provisions, the scope, etc...)
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:13:00 - [161] Originally by: Malken i dunno about you but if you have 4 ships shooting and you cant kill something within 2min thenyou need to learn how to use a bigger gun. simple as that. Originally by: Elve Sorrow Yes. There's an idea. Let's all load up with 8 Heatsink IIs if we want to catch every target. Sounds like supreme tactics to me. Takes alot of thought and stuff. Awesome, i like it. All the pilots present at this incident were quite able pilots. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:16:00 - [162] And let's not forget, it isn't even about that. It's about sufficently scrambled battleships, (Sufficient as in 'More scramblers then target has lowslots.') disappearing within seconds after logging off. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:16:00 - [163] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 11/04/2005 20:17:03 Gotta love rats complaining about the tactics they use. I agree that logging whilst scrambled isn't the same as logging whilst safespotted, but both are lame. Fortunately the last time somebody did that to me we just got a few people to wait at the gate for him constantly, and 5 hours later when he logged back on he got wtfpwned. Not gonna name and shame but you know who you are, don't come back. ^^ sgb PS. He logged when we had 2 frigs and a cruiser there which is why he didn't die whilst scrambled... Edit - spelling
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.11 20:28:00 - [164] Originally by: Deadzone Originally by: Epofhis Originally by: Astruma So much arrogance and hypocisy, so many morons in this thread. You seriously need help, get a ******* life you idiot kids - it's a computer GAME, nothing more. Are you so detached from reality from shooting at too many PRETEND space ships and PRETEND asteriods. Grow up FFS, get a grip - these forums are pathetic these days. simmer down now lad.. heres a cookie....... feel better now? good, now go sit down and take a few deep breaths I got awesome siggy!! anyhoo logging while scramed, is bad mmkay? Only game that still allows one to log out/vanish w/out enfocing timer that i know of to date Too bad he is right Epofhis. ..... too bad he is absolutly right. \o/ i give up, its not that he isnt right about the game part, maybe even a tab bit right about the "hipocisy", but on the other hand, last i checked I payed to play this game (kids excluded), and as I see it there are quite alot of paying players that have encoutered this problem for a very long time and apparently by there posts feel very stongly about it, and seeing how ccp has had well over 2 yrs to fix this prob and hasnt, Im sure it has frustrated alot of peeps, hence the afformentioned "moron" posts and strong feeling towards the point and in no way is it ever acceptable that one person should take away ones rights to post whatever there feelings are, albiet even if they are "idiot" posts, as long as they r deviod of pron, and rl threats... I myself have even been "deeply involved" enough to get carried away and post "smak" on the forums and what one person considers a "life" may well be what one considers hell.. I am in no way capable of discerning what one indivdual considers to be the enjoyment in life, so if whining on the forums is there forte' along w/ idiot posts then by all means, post to your hearts content, and by growing up, wouldnt we all stop playing video games and go mow the yard or somethin? anyhoo, I got awesome siggy 4tw and this has probably been my finest post 2 date, so dont expect to many of these from me /me goes back to caveman form and illeterate m15p3ll1ng of things there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
CEO Rockhound	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:16:00 - [165] Why should a miner stay in a system that is filled with pirates? They are there to destroy his/hers game. I say , start all the repairs and log off. I know I will, and you people can scream ALL you want. Untill there is a button saying : 'I don't PvP' , that is a fair tactic. CEO Rockhound Norsk Gruvedrift. We will rock you.
Mauxir	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:18:00 - [166] There is a button Sherlock. Its that button that you click when you jump into a lower than 0.5 system.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:26:00 - [167] Edited by: Epofhis on 11/04/2005 21:27:40 Originally by: Mauxir There is a button Sherlock. Its that button that you click when you jump into a lower than 0.5 system. best line in this whole thread, made me laugh at work w00t EDIT>> btw, if u want a devoid pvp game go play eq2, where u can npc farm all u like there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:26:00 - [168] Asentia, Geddon, from XETIC JUST DID THIS TO US LESS THAN 5 MINS AGO. We had him into structure, but he dissappeared approximately 15 seconds after he logged off. w00t for exploiters.
Clarence Bodicker	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:30:00 - [169] Originally by: CEO Rockhound Why should a miner stay in a system that is filled with pirates? They are there to destroy his/hers game. I say , start all the repairs and log off. I know I will, and you people can scream ALL you want. Untill there is a button saying : 'I don't PvP' , that is a fair tactic. CEO Rockhound Stay in > 0.4 space you stupid carebear. -------------------------------------------------- Criminal Connections Rank(3) SP: 76549/768000 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=
Lordan Stormstalker	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:39:00 - [170] Logging off while under attack is lame. No matter who does it, friendly or hostile, it's something very low for a player to do. What is even lamer tho, and I believe it's what under discussion here, is the fact that people not only do that, but they take advantage of the "poofing" tactic. Of all the online games I have played during the last several years, EVE is the only one I know of that allows you to log back on while you still have a character ingame. Doesn't matter if you crashed, doesn't matter if you lost connection because a truck hit the energy lines in front of your house. You have a character in game, you're stuck to come back till it's gone. You're Main Tank for that uber raid in everquest? Oooh, disconnected. Too bad, you're dead (happened too many times, know how it is). Dropped your uber gear in Lineage 2 because you went LD in the middle of a pvp skirmish? That's something bound to happen, technology isn't perfect. 5 seconds left to hack that enemy capitol in Planetside? Well, guess it ain't happening. Throw your modem out of the window, kick your box, curse the CCP servers, whatever. Can just leave the timer as is, honestly. There will always be lamers who will try to log off, regardless. Just get rid of the reconnecting exploit and this "poofing" flak will be gone. ________________
Torch Toomb	Posted - 2005.04.11 21:47:00 - [171] Edited by: Torch Toomb on 11/04/2005 21:49:16 Simple fix would be if your near a clestial object, your ship DOESN'T dissapear no matter what, so you can still log off at safespots but you can't log off at gates and stations, would stop log on exploits and log off exploits. Only problem then would be busting a safespot and then them logging off but then again you bust their safespot you should have enough backup to kill them in less than 2 mins anyway. If you get dc'd while npcing, tough luck imo. Don't use anything you can't afford to lose. Suck it up.
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2005.04.12 02:19:00 - [172] Originally by: Torch Toomb Originally by: Crzycnck2 This is way too funy.. Shinra complaining about someone using their tactics.. How many times have we seen them come into FIX space to log off and wait until they have a larger fleet... How does it feel???? How is that anyway similar to logging off when being scrambled? Get a clue ktnx. 6 the 1 1/2 dozen of the other.. when they come to our space and we engage them they ss a log and when more of their ships turn out they log back on.. I think logging off at any point during a battle is LAME!!! and shinra have excellerated at it. i think someone from FIX even frapsed that but i can't be sure of that. FIX FTW
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2005.04.12 02:28:00 - [173] Originally by: Epofhis Edited by: Epofhis on 11/04/2005 21:27:40 Originally by: Mauxir There is a button Sherlock. Its that button that you click when you jump into a lower than 0.5 system. best line in this whole thread, made me laugh at work w00t EDIT>> btw, if u want a devoid pvp game go play eq2, where u can npc farm all u like LMAFAO.. I have to agree that is a brilliant line. If anyone goes out of carebear space then expect to be blown up. if you don't like it then don't go below .5, specially 0.0 where alls fare in love and.... killing anyone that aint on your side. FIX FTW
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.12 05:11:00 - [174] the very CONCEPT that its "unfair" that they can kill you when you **** up, and so you should be allowed an invulnerability exploit...so lame
Terradoct	Posted - 2005.04.12 05:25:00 - [175] Originally by: Epofhis Edited by: Epofhis on 11/04/2005 21:27:40 Originally by: Mauxir There is a button Sherlock. Its that button that you click when you jump into a lower than 0.5 system. best line in this whole thread, made me laugh at work w00t EDIT>> btw, if u want a devoid pvp game go play eq2, where u can npc farm all u like Don't tell others what should they do, and you wouldn'd be sent "far away".
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.04.12 05:27:00 - [176] Why do you people keep biting each other when clearly both sides does same tactics when you guys are outnumbered? How about we all buy some Quafe and go suck velspar at Yulai, m'Kay? _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.
Shayleigh Snowflower	Posted - 2005.04.12 20:43:00 - [177] Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 12/04/2005 20:43:39
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.12 21:04:00 - [178] Originally by: Terradoct Originally by: Epofhis Edited by: Epofhis on 11/04/2005 21:27:40 Originally by: Mauxir There is a button Sherlock. Its that button that you click when you jump into a lower than 0.5 system. best line in this whole thread, made me laugh at work w00t EDIT>> btw, if u want a devoid pvp game go play eq2, where u can npc farm all u like Don't tell others what should they do, and you wouldn'd be sent "far away". umm, post w/ ur main, alts r bad mmmkay? and at what point was I telling him what to do? I gave him a suggestion.. And how am I far away? Far away where? Like never Land, far away? Last I checked, I go where I want.. And last I checked when I bought the game, I read the back and it said expect a rich pvp enviroment, so if u dont wanna pvp u have 3 options imo.. get ready here they come 1. You can stay in high sec empire to avoid the "ebil, pirate griefers" 2. You can play a game where u dont have to worry about pvp consiquences, like monopoly for instance or checkers even 3. Or you can suck it up, and come play w/ the big boys, and maybe try and have some fun, instead of worrying about ficticious isk, cause if/when they close the doors down and i have no isk but had tons of fun, and u have 1,100,000,000,000,000 isk in ur wallet and spent 90% of your time mining, is that really how u want to remeber the game by? And if it is, is a mmorpg really the game fer you? I mean building is all great and that, but i nvr hear old farts complaign about 0.0 cause they dont come here.. fine there choice.. but even when they got war decced at least they had some fun w/ it.... maybe all these peeps should stop holding there "precious" isk wallets so close and go loose somethin and have some fun in the process nuff said better to have tried and failed than to have done nothing at all there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.12 21:16:00 - [179] There is one solution for every log off and every complain. STOP CRYING ABOUT IT ON THE FORUM. Every corp logs off ! if everyone would just stop crying about it than there would be no problem. As for shinra.. they have no balls no honor no nothing and that was proven 100 times already. There is no point in fighting over it on the forum as every time they starting to cry they are getting owned right away and then continue on flaming and telling stories about all mighty shinra which are false! Golden forum wh*re award this month goes to..................................................................................elve or elfe lol whatever
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.12 21:52:00 - [180] Originally by: UnrulyEvil There is one solution for every log off and every complain. STOP CRYING ABOUT IT ON THE FORUM. Every corp logs off ! if everyone would just stop crying about it than there would be no problem. As for shinra.. they have no balls no honor no nothing and that was proven 100 times already. There is no point in fighting over it on the forum as every time they starting to cry they are getting owned right away and then continue on flaming and telling stories about all mighty shinra which are false! Golden forum wh*re award this month goes to..................................................................................elve or elfe lol whatever speak for urself, I logged once (and still lost my ship) and I have never logged since that day and will continue to die w/ honor... I will never derpieve some1 the victory that they so well deserve if they can best me, wheter it be by jumping me w/ 15 frigs or 1vs1.. I have more honor than that... Logging is a discrace, and ccp as my witness, if i ever logg whilest scramed may the strike my char to 2 sp's and marr my face w/ a brand for all to see my shame, and may all of eve point at me as i pass and LOL @ me there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.13 00:27:00 - [181] It speaks volumes that people critising us only ever do so with Alts.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.13 00:42:00 - [182] Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/04/2005 00:42:10 Supremacy logging ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
CEO Rockhound	Posted - 2005.04.13 08:15:00 - [183] bla bla bla .. don't go in bellow 0.5 space if you don't want to get shot .. bla bla bla bla bla.... That dont work because to the lame-ass use of corp wars. Logging off ain't lame, it is smart. -- War cost should be something like... 500 000 000 isk * security roof where you don't want concord / senteries to counter-attack you. Norsk Gruvedrift. We will rock you.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.04.13 13:23:00 - [184] I have never witnessed such a display of rampant stupidity as I have seen in this topic, good job.
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:25:00 - [185] Originally by: Epofhis speak for urself, I logged once (and still lost my ship) and I have never logged since that day and will continue to die w/ honor... I will never derpieve some1 the victory that they so well deserve if they can best me, wheter it be by jumping me w/ 15 frigs or 1vs1.. I have more honor than that... Logging is a discrace, and ccp as my witness, if i ever logg whilest scramed may the strike my char to 2 sp's and marr my face w/ a brand for all to see my shame, and may all of eve point at me as i pass and LOL @ me I'm sorry mr.supremacy but there is another post made showing your corpmate loging 2 times ! Have a good day. It's a movie too "SUPREMACY THE MOVIE"
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:26:00 - [186] Originally by: Takrolimus It speaks volumes that people critising us only ever do so with Alts. Yea it's like that saying... dont step in to the **** and it wont stink as much. you know?
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:32:00 - [187] Edited by: Shredder on 13/04/2005 16:35:17 Can i just say, the people who think this thread is about logging off at safesppots, or when masively outnumbered or whatever, then you're absolute twits. Read the topic before posting, this is about people who EXPLOIT by logging off whilst IN COMBAT, this is a thread about people Logging off their chr, and logging into an alt so that their chr dissapears quickly. IF you want to talk about people that log off in OTHER ways then make a different thread about it. Its all off topic.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:34:00 - [188] Originally by: UnrulyEvil Originally by: Epofhis speak for urself, I logged once (and still lost my ship) and I have never logged since that day and will continue to die w/ honor... I will never derpieve some1 the victory that they so well deserve if they can best me, wheter it be by jumping me w/ 15 frigs or 1vs1.. I have more honor than that... Logging is a discrace, and ccp as my witness, if i ever logg whilest scramed may the strike my char to 2 sp's and marr my face w/ a brand for all to see my shame, and may all of eve point at me as i pass and LOL @ me I'm sorry mr.supremacy but there is another post made showing your corpmate loging 2 times ! Have a good day. It's a movie too "SUPREMACY THE MOVIE" I made a response to this topic, and it was 1 one guy who was removed from our corp, and had it been brought to our attention at the time of it happening, it would have been swiftly dealt w/... Ill be blunt w/ u, the guy was a n00b, he was a personal friend of some1 in the corp, we tried to teach him pvp, but he was more akin to carebearish ways, and could not be taught the ways of the darkside, again if u want these issues resolved, contact myself ingame during the time of occourance not 2 mos later there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
preaty111	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:34:00 - [189] Originally by: Shredder Can i just say, the people who think this thread is about logging off at safesppots, or when masively outnumbered or whatever, then you're absolute twits. Read the topic before posting, this is about people who EXPLOIT by logging off whilst IN COMBAT, this is a thread about people Logging off their chr, and logging into an alt so that their chr dissapears quickly. IF you want to talk about people that log off in OTHER ways then make a different thread about it. ITs all off topic. Shredder you wanna see EXPLOIT by logging off ? Go see Supremacy the movie
Shredder	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:38:00 - [190] Edited by: Shredder on 13/04/2005 16:40:38 Originally by: preaty111 Originally by: Shredder Can i just say, the people who think this thread is about logging off at safesppots, or when masively outnumbered or whatever, then you're absolute twits. Read the topic before posting, this is about people who EXPLOIT by logging off whilst IN COMBAT, this is a thread about people Logging off their chr, and logging into an alt so that their chr dissapears quickly. IF you want to talk about people that log off in OTHER ways then make a different thread about it. ITs all off topic. Shredder you wanna see EXPLOIT by logging off ? Go see Supremacy the movie Yes, i realise there are instances in EVERY corp in the game where this kind of lame activity can be found. However, this thread was created to address the very real problem of xetic do this EN-MASS. Also that some xetic corporations are being told by their leaders to use this tactic. If you guys were fighting xetic then you would understand the extent of this problem, if it only happened two or three times i couldnt care less.
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Shredder Edited by: Shredder on 13/04/2005 16:40:38 Originally by: preaty111 Originally by: Shredder Can i just say, the people who think this thread is about logging off at safesppots, or when masively outnumbered or whatever, then you're absolute twits. Read the topic before posting, this is about people who EXPLOIT by logging off whilst IN COMBAT, this is a thread about people Logging off their chr, and logging into an alt so that their chr dissapears quickly. IF you want to talk about people that log off in OTHER ways then make a different thread about it. ITs all off topic. Shredder you wanna see EXPLOIT by logging off ? Go see Supremacy the movie Yes, i realise there are instances in EVERY corp in the game where this kind of lame activity can be found. However, this thread was created to address the very real problem of xetic do this EN-MASS. Also that some xetic corporations are being told by their leaders to use this tactic. If you guys were fighting xetic then you would understand the extent of this problem, if it only happened two or three times i couldnt care less. Guys we all here on this forum and in whole EVE community know and realize that there is this log off tactic. EVERYONE LOGS! it is a fact! you cant get away from it. That is the point that i'm trying to make. I just hate to see people lie and point fingers at each other.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.13 16:58:00 - [192] Originally by: UnrulyEvil Originally by: Shredder Edited by: Shredder on 13/04/2005 16:40:38 Originally by: preaty111 Originally by: Shredder Can i just say, the people who think this thread is about logging off at safesppots, or when masively outnumbered or whatever, then you're absolute twits. Read the topic before posting, this is about people who EXPLOIT by logging off whilst IN COMBAT, this is a thread about people Logging off their chr, and logging into an alt so that their chr dissapears quickly. IF you want to talk about people that log off in OTHER ways then make a different thread about it. ITs all off topic. Shredder you wanna see EXPLOIT by logging off ? Go see Supremacy the movie Yes, i realise there are instances in EVERY corp in the game where this kind of lame activity can be found. However, this thread was created to address the very real problem of xetic do this EN-MASS. Also that some xetic corporations are being told by their leaders to use this tactic. If you guys were fighting xetic then you would understand the extent of this problem, if it only happened two or three times i couldnt care less. Guys we all here on this forum and in whole EVE community know and realize that there is this log off tactic. EVERYONE LOGS! it is a fact! you cant get away from it. That is the point that i'm trying to make. I just hate to see people lie and point fingers at each other. again speak for urself, i refuse to log, infact i leave my char logged in sometimes when at work just to avoid the logout, and stop comparing 1 guy that was in our corp to the whole corp, we have over 200 members, thats like saying cause ur CEO is ghey, your whole corp must be ( i dont know if hes ghey tbh), stop your comments, your not even involved any way in this, go troll somewhere relevant to your corp, and if u exploit the logg out tactic, grow a pair sometime kthxnowgosomewhereelse there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.13 17:05:00 - [193] Did you know that guy on the picture on top of your nick name has sad sad eyes? If you are knight in the shiny armor who has no guts to admit that loging off tactics are widely used than.... What i have to do with all this? well i pay my money for this game just like you mmkk? so dont give me that ok? thx
Estios	Posted - 2005.04.13 17:19:00 - [194] Originally by: CEO Rockhound Why should a miner stay in a system that is filled with pirates? They are there to destroy his/hers game. I say , start all the repairs and log off. I know I will, and you people can scream ALL you want. Untill there is a button saying : 'I don't PvP' , that is a fair tactic. CEO Rockhound , you/this is what is wrong with EVE ....if you dont want PVP stay in empire space in a noob corp, this is a PVP game. Ask that (your lame post) at the next CSM or Dev chat and see what reply you get. FFS that one post from you indicates a huge problem with EVE right now, I REALLY hope a Dev reads what you wrote So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.13 17:20:00 - [195] Originally by: UnrulyEvil Did you know that guy on the picture on top of your nick name has sad sad eyes? If you are knight in the shiny armor who has no guts to admit that loging off tactics are widely used than.... What i have to do with all this? well i pay my money for this game just like you mmkk? so dont give me that ok? thx yes, I am sad, my armor is heavy, and yes I realize that plenty of peeps use that tactic, just sine i am a shining white knight in armor, I refuse to be lame, even if it costs me fictiousious isk, and the sad thing is, I seem to be outnumbered by the peeps who have no honor, and who would exploit such a lame tactic.... Anyhoo, again in response to the accusations against Suprm, contact me ingame via either email or convo w/ any suprm member logging during scram and i will personaly investigate the accustation immideatley (happy mr unruly) and will do my best to have the issue resolved w/ in mere momements of your convo/eve-mail service w/ a smile dishing out honor at no cost, at window #5 there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
UnrulyEvil	Posted - 2005.04.13 17:58:00 - [196] you are a bast*rd sir. heavy nice day.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.04.13 18:26:00 - [197] Originally by: CEO Rockhound Why should a miner stay in a system that is filled with pirates? They are there to destroy his/hers game. I say , start all the repairs and log off. I know I will, and you people can scream ALL you want. Untill there is a button saying : 'I don't PvP' , that is a fair tactic. CEO Rockhound Anyone else want to grief this guy out of the game for its own betterment? Honestly, having ppl like this here can only make things suck.

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