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mavskji
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Posted - 2005.04.09 20:38:00 -
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lol
I call shotgun on all the Veldspar.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.04.09 20:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Thaylon Sen
Sorry, but I dont think leaving for a npc corp is a valid argument, especially when dealing with alliances. We just want a few systems protected by concord. Where's your major problem with that?
Then this would be everquest in space. If you dont liek the game so much, I suggest you quit, noone cares about whiners who can't take care of themselves.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Thaylon Sen
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Posted - 2005.04.09 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Then this would be everquest in space. If you dont liek the game so much, I suggest you quit, noone cares about whiners who can't take care of themselves.
It's good to see the art of debate hasn't died 
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.04.09 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gothmatar Ravenblade
One thing which I find interesting, people suggest to go back to newbie corps if a griefer corp declares war on it, some other or same people suggest corp-disbanding/quitting in case of war being persecuted as exploit. Exploiters are suggested to be banned. May I summarize it: If you don't like the war then get banned from the game?
In what way is going back to an NPC corp equivalent to being banned? Do you have a problem with the English language?
If you're banned from the game you can't play Eve. You can't even post on these forums.
If you go back to an NPC corporation you can continue to do everything you were doing before. True, you will probably not get the same level of reward but then that's Eve (and life) for you. If you want the good rewards you have to take risks.
What part of "risk v. reward" do you not understand?
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.04.09 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Thaylon Sen
Originally by: Darken Two
Then this would be everquest in space. If you dont liek the game so much, I suggest you quit, noone cares about whiners who can't take care of themselves.
It's good to see the art of debate hasn't died
He's just being practical.
Eve is not supposed to be Everquest in space. Eve is supposed to offer a risk v. reward environment. If you can't handle that (and a carebear is exactly someone who can't handle it) then you are playing the wrong game. I wish you well in finding a space based MMORPG that matches your needs but Eve isn't it.
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Ranya
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Posted - 2005.04.09 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
What part of "risk v. reward" do you not understand?
/me straps on the magic hat and jumps into the carebear mentality...
.....risk vs reward....
..suxx... vs.. ³ber, gib plz....
of course suxx << ³ber .... seems like ³ber will win every time!
So basically there should be no risk (suxx) and all reward (because it's yber, duh)
We can clearly see how the carebear is right and everyone else is wrong. Riskless rewards and magic hats ftw.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.04.09 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Winged Mailer
Greetings!
Hello to you!
Originally by: Winged Mailer
I just thought I'd throw in a couple words on non-consentual PvP. In my humble opinion, this is a potential game killer-in fact, it's slowly eroding at the fabric of this game as we speak. Here are the main points:
Already I disagree. The element of surprise is needed, as it makes the EVE universe more real for us all. A universe of pirates, fluxuating markets, and competeing corporations can only exhist in debth with non-consentual PVP. Nobody enjoys losing a ship, so what is consentual PVP? When is it OK for you to lose a ship. The game just wouldn't be very real if you couldn't plan a method of attack against your enemy's miners, transports, or fleets.
This is part of the universe. The economy revolves around it. We mine the minerals, to make the parts, to build the ships, to destroy in battle.
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1) Newbies are at a severe disadvantage if they join any corporation-they can be ganked without protection anytime that corporation has a war declared on it. Lack of new blood is the downfall of any guild(or corp) and the best most corps can hope for is stagnation.
Newbies might be over their heads, yes. This is why I suggest newbies stay in the NPC corporation for their learning time. They will know when they are ready to move out. The skill system dictates that people with 2 years are probably going to own someone with 2 months. If a corp is worth a newbie's time, that corp would protect, teach, and supply the newbie. What good is a corp if the newbie is the one taking the hits?? Defend your newbs!
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2) Veteran players who have opted to specialize in non-pvp skills are at a severe disadvantage. They are forced to either hide in stations during times of war or remain outside of corporations.
They are not forced to hide in stations. The undock button is always there and always available. I think even veteran scientists can manage to train some simply shield skills to defend their ships. If they are truely a valuable scientist, the corp's military wing should protect them. With all the money they make, they should be rich enough to hire mercs, get in a good corp, or whatever else floats their boat. Of coarse a scientist won't be as good in combat as a battleship pilot. It's a chosen profession. If scientists were as lethal as combat pilots, why would ANYONE train a combat pilot??
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In my humble opinion, there must be "safe spots" where players who do not wish to do PvP can survive, and even thrive inside of a corporation environment. Let's face it-if we wanted to play alone or vs a computer, we would be playing stand-alone games.
The EVE universe is pretty big. I think every player is capable of getting away from the action. Remember, they too are a part of that corporation. They chose to relate themselves to that corp, and the crimes or war of that corp will come onto them.
Also, this PVP is exactly why you don't play alone or vs a computer. Astroids are the computer, npc rats are the computer... getting PKd by a human is human. PVP is player interaction. Also, NPC corps have lots of people and they are usually VERY social. NPC corps aren't filled with npcs you know 
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I am personally watching my former corporation essentially disintegrate due to non-consentual PvP. We have recently lost 3/4 of our active membership.
I hope this isn't too straight forward for you, but it sounds like your corp is losing the war. Your enemies are winning. They must have played their cards right with very good strategies to effectively destroy your corporation. This is PVP! It's very intillectual you see? A few PKs aren't going to make a corp disband like yours. No no, your enemy has obviously thought things through and come up with a real solid battle plan.
This is EVE, player interaction at its finest. It's up to your CEO and your corp to make peace with whoever you are at war with. Let it be through bribes, negotiation, or more war... this is how these things go. A corp needs to be strong to survive in EVE.
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In closing I'ld like to say that I view PvP as being real similar to sex. If its non-consentual, it's just rape.
I think you're the only one here that thinks PVP is like sex.  That's just wierd!
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.04.09 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
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In closing I'ld like to say that I view PvP as being real similar to sex. If its non-consentual, it's just rape.
I think you're the only one here that thinks PVP is like sex. That's just wierd!
I don't know I can certainly see similarities, for starters I haven't pvp'ed for a long time 
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2005.04.09 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrel on 09/04/2005 23:00:50
if u dont like pvp, theres rumors of a vastly entertaining *COUGH* game called The Sims, which lacks any player vs player interaction. Have fun, and plz, end yourself if u continue to whine about being beat on by 2k gate rats k?
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.09 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Squirrel
Edited by: Squirrel on 09/04/2005 23:00:50
if u dont like pvp, theres rumors of a vastly entertaining *COUGH* game called The Sims, which lacks any player vs player interaction. Have fun, and plz, end yourself if u continue to whine about being beat on by 2k gate rats k?
U nublet. PvPrs r 3bil *****z. B4nz0r t3h pvp3rz!
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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shambley
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Posted - 2005.04.09 23:21:00 -
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I read,I laughed,I fell off my chair with tears in my eyes
Keep posting stuff like this please
We can call it the carebear chronicles 
best read I've had in ages
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2005.04.09 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Originally by: Squirrel
Edited by: Squirrel on 09/04/2005 23:00:50
if u dont like pvp, theres rumors of a vastly entertaining *COUGH* game called The Sims, which lacks any player vs player interaction. Have fun, and plz, end yourself if u continue to whine about being beat on by 2k gate rats k?
U nublet. PvPrs r 3bil *****z. B4nz0r t3h pvp3rz!
dutch for the winzors!
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Alzaria Lassem
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Posted - 2005.04.10 00:09:00 -
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You have got to wonder how the people who ***** and moan about how bad the evil PvPers are now, and how easy it is for them to kill you would have coped at release.
Compared to then, EVE is now a carebear paradise.
Mara/Passari anyone?
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.04.10 00:17:00 -
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<flame>
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I disagree
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.04.10 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alzaria Lassem
Compared to then, EVE is now a carebear paradise.
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Raven1x
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Posted - 2005.04.10 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Raven1x on 10/04/2005 00:49:41
Leaving aside the usual flames from those who believe Eve should be populated entirely by hardcore pvp-fanatics (Honestly, what is it with this forums unending hatred of peaceful players?)...
Pvp (and yes, I mean combat for anyone anal-retentive enough to point out that teh market is pvp) is a big part of Eve. Always has been. The system we have now isn't perfect (low-sec space could do with looking at, for example) but it's pretty good. Empire space is fairly safe for the most part and if you go out to 0.0, you need to either be able to fight or be able to run (I prefer to run).
Yes, there are problems with Empire, we do have a worrying number of griefers who declare on peaceful corps in Empire just to have soft targets and yes, there should be some capacity for an entirely peaceful corp to live in peace in high-sec (0.8 and above) Empire. Yes, gate-ganking is a pain but CCP have had various ways of dealing with it proposed to them (a properly integrated ransoming system would help a lot) but since they haven't taken those up, one can only conclude that they want it to be this way.
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2005.04.10 00:57:00 -
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Well back then all three alts could acquire SP, so you could actually have 1 guy in a newbie corp mining/whatever to support your pvp habit.
Now you can still have optional pvp but it costs you 30 bucks a month.
How you think all these "hardcore pvp" corps recoupe their losses. You don't see moo sitting in empire mining. They got alts to do their carebearing, and switch to their regular toons to be space vikings.
Whining about carebears is a lie. You all do it. There is nobody in this thread without a carebear alt, you just don't want people to have regular characters with the same privileges as your carebear alt.
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SghnDubh
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Posted - 2005.04.10 01:12:00 -
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Then this would be everquest in space. If you dont liek the game so much, I suggest you quit, noone cares about whiners who can't take care of themselves.
Wrong. People care...like me, because this kind of moronic statement is what kills games. Instead of throwing insults around, go hire yourself out to a noob corp and protect them from their PvP enemies. Maybe you'll make some more friends and still get your PvP and the game grows 'cause its fun. You'll eventually drive away your PvP prey with this craptastic attitude. :P
'Course, that goes both ways, Mr/Miss "I hate you PvP'ers"....Instead of whining to the Dev's to create "safe zones" which is the lazy way to play and pretty much ruins the dynamics for the rest of us, try making alliances with corps that want to PvP and make them your mercs. Pay them. Build ships for them. Do research for them. Make it less about you and more about the community at large.
Both of you.
/me dons flame retardant suit.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger...
Fight Smart: www.BattleClinic.com
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Gothmatar Ravenblade
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Posted - 2005.04.10 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gothmatar Ravenblade on 10/04/2005 05:07:23
Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Gothmatar Ravenblade
One thing which I find interesting, people suggest to go back to newbie corps if a griefer corp declares war on it, some other or same people suggest corp-disbanding/quitting in case of war being persecuted as exploit. Exploiters are suggested to be banned. May I summarize it: If you don't like the war then get banned from the game?
In what way is going back to an NPC corp equivalent to being banned? Do you have a problem with the English language?
If you're banned from the game you can't play Eve. You can't even post on these forums.
If you go back to an NPC corporation you can continue to do everything you were doing before. True, you will probably not get the same level of reward but then that's Eve (and life) for you. If you want the good rewards you have to take risks.
What part of "risk v. reward" do you not understand?
Probably you got me wrong.
I agree with that people should go back to NPC corps if their previous player corp has been declared war on and if they cannot handle it.
I disagree with that people quitting/disbanding their player corp in case of war should be considered an exploit.
There are however some people, and I am reading the forums on daily base, that demand both which I think is either inconsequent or just unfair.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.04.10 05:11:00 -
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Nemo me impune lacessit
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.04.10 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: SghnDubh
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Then this would be everquest in space. If you dont liek the game so much, I suggest you quit, noone cares about whiners who can't take care of themselves.
Wrong. People care...like me, because this kind of moronic statement is what kills games. Instead of throwing insults around, go hire yourself out to a noob corp and protect them from their PvP enemies. Maybe you'll make some more friends and still get your PvP and the game grows 'cause its fun. You'll eventually drive away your PvP prey with this craptastic attitude. :P
'Course, that goes both ways, Mr/Miss "I hate you PvP'ers"....Instead of whining to the Dev's to create "safe zones" which is the lazy way to play and pretty much ruins the dynamics for the rest of us, try making alliances with corps that want to PvP and make them your mercs. Pay them. Build ships for them. Do research for them. Make it less about you and more about the community at large.
Both of you.
/me dons flame retardant suit.
Read my staement again smartypants. I sympathise with people who atlesat try to do their part.Almost noone cares about people who dont even try. I wasnt flaming him I was pointing him towards reality.
Being unprepared and ignorant is not an excuse in eve.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.10 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Not ANOTHER of these threads.
Ah well, traditional reward for starting one comming right up:
1 million bounty for the killmail and corpse of Winged Mailer. Recurring to a maximum of 5, 1 per corperation. Starting...NOW.
I'll pay 1.5 million, with a free malkuth cruise launcher.
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Toni saliva
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Posted - 2005.04.10 07:56:00 -
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lastpost:
Originally by: Maya Rkell
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Not ANOTHER of these threads.
Ah well, traditional reward for starting one comming right up:
1 million bounty for the killmail and corpse of Winged Mailer. Recurring to a maximum of 5, 1 per corperation. Starting...NOW.
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I'll pay 1.5 million, with a free malkuth cruise launcher.
..did you just put a bounty on a player because of his opinion?..you are a f..cIng idiOt. Consider this a application withdrawl from your federation. You people are not a real empire..see you on the feild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR!
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.10 07:58:00 -
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o.O
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.10 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Toni saliva
..did you just put a bounty on a player because of his opinion?..you are a f..cIng idiOt. Consider this a application withdrawl from your federation. You people are not a real empire..see you on the feild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR!
That's got to be one of the most moronic responses I've ever seen on this forum.
Bring it 
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2005.04.10 09:06:00 -
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..did you just put a bounty on a player because of his opinion?..you are a f..cIng idiOt. Consider this a application withdrawl from your federation. You people are not a real empire..see you on the feild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR!
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I bid 1 million isk for Toni Saliva's frozen corpse.
k thx
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.04.10 13:56:00 -
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YEAH! WAR! SEE YOU IN THE FIELD! DOWN WITH.. uhh.. US!
hahaha. I'm laughing so much right now. Who the hell are you anyway?
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.04.10 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: James Don
I agree something needs to be done, ive only been playing eve for 3 months and just got a Mega that I felt safe to try and explore some less sec space, I came through a jumpgate and was hit by several ships and was dead within 10 seconds without so much as a hello, the following pod kill was a bit poor imo considering I didnt fire a shot!
As for staying in empire space it is a bit pointless, from what I can see ppl are engouraged to visit this massive universe of an on-line game but it seems you cant get into any of the lower sec space because every jumpgate is guarded by many player rats.
I want more from this game in exploring, not mining and ferrying docs arround for a corp but when you try and move you get shot down in an instant, I dread to think how long it would take me to develop the skills to go hunt the guy who killed me with any chance of dishing our revenge.
IMO something needs to be done
If empire space is a bit pointless, why are you asking for everywhere else to be made like it?
There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.04.10 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Toni saliva
Consider this a application withdrawl from your federation.
Um... Who are you?
To withdraw from Star Fraction, don't you have to be a member, first?
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.04.10 17:43:00 -
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What about those of us that want to enjoy a rich enviroment within a group that arent interested in pvp? I have done pvp for many years in other games and so has the 20+ guys that I brought to this game. We are a bit older (some of us alot older) and are now at a point where we just want to kick back and enjoy a game a bit.
Question is I hear tell they are gonna move lvl 4 agents to more insecure space. I know that you can't get to a lvl 5 complex without going into insecure space. So where are we?
One last thing.
I read all the time about those that want people into 0.0. You want someone to fight and kill is all I can figure. Well as a relatively new corp with relatively new member we simply cant afford it. Add to that that requirements and restrictions that the alliances seem to put on a corp. Add to that there simply is no place for us we mine and rat hunt witch sounds like fun in .0 cept all the pirates that seem to be in the path.
If the wars and fighting was a bit more organized in .0 as it has been in the other games we have played we may be interested but the few guys that I have sent to .0 corps to report to us give nothing but rabble about politics, and ganking no real organization that can be found.
Thus we stay in empire maybe when we have a few bil in our account and can afford to loose ships and things we may give it a shot but don't expect any of us in .0 anytime soon to join ya. Till then guess youll still have to be lonely.
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