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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5022	Posted - 2012.11.06 11:49:00 - [31] - Quote Nanatoa wrote: TriadSte wrote: Its like taking a childs ice cream Its something you just wouldnt do unless you had a screw loose in the head. Or unless the child had Chocolate Nougat Crunch. It's the best! Taking a child's ice cream is the rational option compared to taking it from someone large enough to fight for it Higher level options include: Taking the child's ice cream so that you can return it in front of a pretty girl you're trying to impress Taking the child's ice cream to give to a pretty girl you're trying to impress Taking the child's ice cream so that you can stick it to your forehead and proclaim yourself King Of The Unicorn People in order to lend credibility to your claim that "this is the best acid ever man, that's why it costs twice as much" MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 191	Posted - 2012.11.06 11:58:00 - [32] - Quote It's refreshing to see the number of people who are saying that vile, hateful language isn't OK. That sort of stuff is the #1 thing I've found dismaying about being online in general. I know people think they're being ironically clever by resorting to the worst, least intelligent, most base form of insult they can think of, but it's really just the worst. CCP Eterne \| Community Representative @CCP_Eterne

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5022	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:01:00 - [33] - Quote Ptraci wrote: TriadSte wrote: Is that not in some way as bad as verbal abuse? Scam "victims" (although I use that term lightly since the damage is 100% self inflicted) are unable to accept the reality of the situation - namely, that through laziness, omission or lack of due dilligence they have become prey to a scam... Actually most scam "victims" think that they're going to be taking advantage of a foolish, desperate or ignorant player who doesn't realise the true vaue of the PLEX/CNR/Tengu/etc that they're selling. Which is why I feel so little moral sympathy for them. Why feel sorry for a bad scammer who has been defeated by a good one? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5022	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:02:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: It's refreshing to see the number of people who are saying that vile, hateful language isn't OK. That sort of stuff is the #1 thing I've found dismaying about being online in general. I know people think they're being ironically clever by resorting to the worst, least intelligent, most base form of insult they can think of, but it's really just the worst. Not to mention that when you want to rip on someone, then being polite, informative and indirect is a far better way of conveying freezing contempt. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Deatalious Maricadie Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 1	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:04:00 - [35] - Quote TriadSte wrote: In the Eve universe, your allowed to do pretty much anything you please. Scamming in my opinion is only done by the absolute lowest forms of life. Its like taking a childs ice cream Its something you just wouldnt do unless you had a screw loose in the head. Maybe not firing on all cylinders. If it is a legitimate scamming the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
pussnheels The Fiction Factory 701	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:11:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: It's refreshing to see the number of people who are saying that vile, hateful language isn't OK. That sort of stuff is the #1 thing I've found dismaying about being online in general. I know people think they're being ironically clever by resorting to the worst, least intelligent, most base form of insult they can think of, but it's really just the worst. can you then atleast make sure all your GM s read the same manual because sexual and racial insults directed to people on a personal level don't belong here I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 285	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:15:00 - [37] - Quote TriadSte wrote: In the Eve universe, your allowed to do pretty much anything you please. My question is this : why is it ok and deemed ok to scam someone out of millions or billions of isk but its not ok to get annoyed and be rather verbal to that person be it about racism, sexual orientation etc. It's very simple and very natural. If I get scammed or manage to scam someone, it's an exercise of intellect. If I let myself get annoyed to the level that I'll resort to verbal assaults in any form, not just related to racism and/or sexual orientation, then I'm just a moron with bad self control.
Bubanni ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 538	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:39:00 - [38] - Quote CCP should change their rating to M for mature so players can be allowed to swear at eachother and be a-holes without being afraid of being banned Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
Musaab Osman 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:42:00 - [39] - Quote I have scammed, and been a target of scams (although unsuccessfully, despite a few close calls). I have also been the target of racism/religionism. There are corporations in EVE based on race. Or to be more specific, based on the hatred of other races. I have seen several White Supremacist corporations. If we are going to get into this subject? Should those corporations and their names be illegal?
pussnheels The Fiction Factory 701	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:49:00 - [40] - Quote Bubanni wrote: CCP should change their rating to M for mature so players can be allowed to swear at eachother and be a-holes without being afraid of being banned will only be abused ,racial bigotry, anti semitisme , to name some have no place in our game i do not want to sound political correct , because i am not , but insults like that are plain evil and serve no purpose at all except to badly hurt people mentally I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate 850	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:55:00 - [41] - Quote Wait, racism isn't allowed? You mean I can't hate on those nasty, slaver, hyper oppressive Amarr scum? Because surely no one is silly enough to bring out of game race into it when you have no way of knowing what race the other guy is behind his monitor. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
TriadSte IronPig Sev3rance 123	Posted - 2012.11.06 12:56:00 - [42] - Quote All great replies and indeed keep them coming, this post especially cool!! Malcanis wrote: EVE permits every form of in-game villainy. But bringing in real life conflicts and bigotry is, as should be obvious, a no-no. In short: my character can do anything that he can get away with to your character (and vice-versa, of course). But there are very strict limits on what I can do to you. CCP's rules aren't there to make us play nice characters, only to be nice people. The important distinction is that if I scam you out of everything in game, then you can escape the consequences of that by simply closing the client: Poof! Your losses - and my "crime" - are now as meaningless as losing a piece in a game of checkers. But I think you'll agree that anyone who started spewing racial epithets or making real life threats because he lost a piece in a game of checkers had failed to understand something very important about playing competitive games. May I perhaps ask a question then that requires a little more thought. Obviously what a phrase means to one isn't the same for another. I am the type of guy that laughs things off, very rarely does something bother me properly. How does CCP define what crosses the line? If someone said to me in game "your an absolute spastic, your face resembles melted cheese and you have no d\|ck" I would laugh and do nothing. Perhaps there's a player who was unfortunate and was in a house fire at some point yet saved his family. He had to have his ***** removed due to severe burns. An absolute hero but CCP would treat this petition the same as any other when I feel that it requires a permanent ban even thought the offended player wouldn't have known these details. I want to know how CCP deal with these situations. Back to the scamming.. Im always thinking about this kind of stuff so theres always opinions on this kind of thing and I really feel that scamming new players is out of order. New players should have some form of "shield" to protect from scammers etc. Imagine... New player, plays Eve really hard for the first month....hes hooked! He has enough ISK for a plex - "WOW I earned enough to play for free" he thinks... He goes to buy a plex - WTH theres one here for just 380 million.......DAMN only the 1 left....BUY BUY BUY he is then bemused,,,,,,"I dont understand he thinks" then it dawns on him... He fell for the plex scam!! For a new player that is a huge kick in the balls, and I think this would and does indeed drive players away. Its this sort of thing that needs looking at. ALSO CCP the BOTS in Jita just keep reoccuring....do something about it?
Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 40	Posted - 2012.11.06 13:35:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: The thing is, that whether or not we admit to it, the beauty of EVE is that every single one of us is a roleplayer. When you log in, you play the role of a Capsuleer, regardless of what your motives are. True, there is a distinction between those who simply play the game and those who choose to immerse themselves in EVE's setting and backstory, but the end result is the same. We're all playing a role, and are fleshing out our own histories and storylines, whatever they may be. Scamming, playing the con man, the pirate or rip off merchant are all parts of the sandbox game play that makes EVE stand out with such a rich and colourful history. Understanding that this is an IN GAME action and in no way reflects on the player behind the character is the first step to mentally surviving the morality black hole that is New Eden. Ok, while I'm not a fan of scamming and even less so a fan of verbal abuse.. Where is the difference between scamming a character or insulting a character? E.g. a statement like "You frecking Minmatar scum, I hope your whole family ends up in slavery. Your mom certainly has sucked enough dicks to be of great value.", while racial and very insulting, is obviously targeted at the character. On the other hand a statement like "You frecking [insert RL nationality slur]. Your mom [insert insult]" is clearly targeted at the player behind the screen. So, is the first example actually violating the rules? What is with statements that are ambigious? In dubio pro reo? And if we are all basically roleplaying future capsuleers, would such a future capsuleer not be equally mad at beeing scammed (or podded, or ganked, or bumped, ... :p) and might react in an insulting way?
Peri Simone Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 74	Posted - 2012.11.06 16:35:00 - [44] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Because surely no one is silly enough to... Someone always is.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 228	Posted - 2012.11.06 16:40:00 - [45] - Quote Musaab Osman wrote: There are corporations in EVE based on race. Or to be more specific, based on the hatred of other races. I have seen several White Supremacist corporations. If we are going to get into this subject, should those corporations and their names be illegal? If you see this, please petition them and we will deal with it appropriately. CCP Eterne \| Community Representative @CCP_Eterne

Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 373	Posted - 2012.11.06 16:46:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: You sir, understand EVE to its black hearted, capitalist, dog eat dog core, with an awesome separation between in game and out of game actions. Huh? But I thought EVE was the land of Rainbows and Chocolate Covered Unicorns (which are both delicious and nutritious) where we all join hands in trust and solidarity and sing happy happy folks songs about how we never fight with each other and share everything. You're telling me it's not? Now im going to have to change every single fit I got (taking off the rainbow and candy launchers) so I too can be a capitalist/Imperialist space pirate. Anyone making a Jita run soon? :) :) Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 288	Posted - 2012.11.06 16:56:00 - [47] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Wait, racism isn't allowed? You mean I can't hate on those nasty, slaver, hyper oppressive Amarr scum? Because surely no one is silly enough to bring out of game race into it when you have no way of knowing what race the other guy is behind his monitor. Doing this, and dropping snide remarks about backwards, rust loving barbarians are all ok. Since it's done within the game's concept. Getting mad in RL and shouting/typing stuff about some other players' nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation and/or size of shoes is just simply bad and shows that whoever using this is a moron.
Yatama Kautsuo Tencus 44	Posted - 2012.11.06 16:59:00 - [48] - Quote so bottom line is when i ever get scammed (giggles as if) i can throw insults at the offender when it comes from my ingame character. so i can tell them where exactly my character would penetrate theirs and how and after all that carnage i would seek out his ingame family to destroy them? of course only ingame :) just kidding. i find it quite ok that offensive language isn't tollerated in eve BUT i also find that a scammer who petitions a victim after receiving some hate messages is a big hypocrit. mind you! not like "i kill you" but like "you must be a real ******* in real life and have probably a little peep and that's why you play so much eve". you know, the standard tells) in my opinion the victim of a scam is still a victim be it because of stupidity, lazyness or just not knowing how game mechanics work. and it's not fair to say things like "100% self inflicted loss". that shows some guilt right here if you have to think in that way. scammers are bad, mmmkay? a really empathic person in real life could not become an ashole in game, just not possible when you know you have real people in there... now if you have the mindset of an ashole in real life like 98% of the rest, then yeah, that would not be a problem. definition of an empathic person: playing fallout 3 on bad (forced) but still feeling some kind of guilt when doing stuff you wouldn't do normaly like when you have to trick a small girl out of their hiding spot to give them to slavers... WHY, WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME BETHESDA?????????
TriadSte IronPig Sev3rance 124	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:00:00 - [49] - Quote I think the point is everyone deals with certain things differently, therefore where does CCP draw the line in the sand? Just because something is deemed "ok" by CCP does not mean it "ok" to player X therefore whos line is correct? Is the customer always right? or is there something different?
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 373	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:04:00 - [50] - Quote TriadSte wrote: I think the point is everyone deals with certain things differently, therefore where does CCP draw the line in the sand? Just because something is deemed "ok" by CCP does not mean it "ok" to player X therefore whos line is correct? Is the customer always right? or is there something different? This is why you and me didn't get along in your postings in the missions and complexes section, because you largely just don't "get" it. CCP makes the rules (in other words, CCPs opinion on where to draw the behavior lines is the ON, abide by them or GTFO. Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate 851	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:13:00 - [51] - Quote TriadSte wrote: I think the point is everyone deals with certain things differently, therefore where does CCP draw the line in the sand? Just because something is deemed "ok" by CCP does not mean it "ok" to player X therefore whos line is correct? Is the customer always right? or is there something different? The line is interpretive spirit. If you can't tell obviously spiteful from RP spiteful through context, then you are not very good an communication. At least, thats how we did it as WoW GMs(and yes, WoW GMs are terrible griefers and people, which is why so many play eve) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 288	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:13:00 - [52] - Quote Yatama Kautsuo wrote: just kidding. i find it quite ok that offensive language isn't tollerated in eve BUT i also find that a scammer who petitions a victim after receiving some hate messages is a big hypocrit. mind you! not like "i kill you" but like "you must be a real ******* in real life and have probably a little peep and that's why you play so much eve". you know, the standard tells) No, if I play a game, and adhere to the rules of that game, I see no reason why some other player should question my RL personality nor the size and/or function of my reproductional organs. Yatama Kautsuo wrote: in my opinion the victim of a scam is still a victim be it because of stupidity, lazyness or just not knowing how game mechanics work. and it's not fair to say things like "100% self inflicted loss". that shows some guilt right here if you have to think in that way. scammers are bad, mmmkay? No, scammers are playing a role in a roleplaying game. Yatama Kautsuo wrote: a really empathic person in real life could not become an ashole in game, just not possible when you know you have real people in there... now if you have the mindset of an ashole in real life like 98% of the rest, then yeah, that would not be a problem. definition of an empathic person: playing fallout 3 on bad (forced) but still feeling some kind of guilt when doing stuff you wouldn't do normaly like when you have to trick a small girl out of their hiding spot to give them to slavers... WHY, WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME BETHESDA????????? Actually, a really empathic person in real life might very well vent her/his/its frustration over their un-empathic real life surroundings by role playing an absolute sphincter ani externus in the game.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1119	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:37:00 - [53] - Quote Malcanis wrote: EVE permits every form of in-game villainy. But bringing in real life conflicts and bigotry is, as should be obvious, a no-no. In short: my character can do anything that he can get away with to your character (and vice-versa, of course). But there are very strict limits on what I can do to you. CCP's rules aren't there to make us play nice characters, only to be nice people. So what about doing in game actions for the express purposes of "tear extraction"? Is not that a direct attack on the player, not the character? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Nexus Day Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:40:00 - [54] - Quote TriadSte wrote: I have not been scammed but I think in a sandbox its either strike first and get the kill or die. Its a dog eat dog world. If scamming is ok I think "everything" should be ok. Even sandboxes have boundaries. That is why it is called a sand-box.
Expending Doom 6	Posted - 2012.11.06 17:45:00 - [55] - Quote Could someone please explain to me what's inherently wrong with racism and sexism? It seems a very juvenile thing to be upset about... "did you just get out of finger painting class at your kindergarten, baby?" Someone has an opinion based on the distinctions between the races or the sexes This goes both ways women regarding men negatively, blacks regarding whites negatively. But in the end these are just an individuals opinions. Please tell me why they are "wrong".
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1542	Posted - 2012.11.06 18:50:00 - [56] - Quote Expending Doom wrote: Could someone please explain to me what's inherently wrong with racism and sexism? It seems a very juvenile thing to be upset about... "did you just get out of finger painting class at your kindergarten, baby?" Someone has an opinion based on the distinctions between the races or the sexes This goes both ways, women regarding men negatively, blacks regarding whites negatively. But in the end these are just an individual's opinions. Please tell me why they are "wrong". Being a specific sex or race is not an opinion. To many of us and CCP they are ignorant thoughts of supremacy giving a specific values on what you are, not who you are. Anyone can be a a-hole, or a angel. Sex, race, religion has no bearing on it. Specially the last one, as with people there are "good" and "bad" sects to everything. Labeling a questionable position to one group as simply "opinion" does not make it okay. Its the social acceptance of that position. For some groups sexism and racism may be tolerated or encouraged, but CCP runs this boat and your going to get keelhauled going against their codes of conduct. Their views as the organization who owns and operates this service don't need to be followed, as you can simply not log on if you don't accept them. Know your audience and the social opinions of those you choose to hang out with. Here, it is not acceptable.
Expending Doom 8	Posted - 2012.11.06 18:54:00 - [57] - Quote That's kind of exactly what I'm talking about not making sense These things are just -FORBIDDEN- You know people don't choose to be mentally ****** either. Does that mean that anyone who says ****** things should be tip-toed around?
Expending Doom 8	Posted - 2012.11.06 18:55:00 - [58] - Quote Possibly so considering the *********
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1543	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:07:00 - [59] - Quote Expending Doom wrote: That's kind of exactly what I'm talking about not making sense These things are just -FORBIDDEN- You know people don't choose to be mentally ****** either. Does that mean that anyone who says ****** things should be tip-toed around? Going to have to give a better example to that in game. If there is a real mentally challenged player, they have to follow the same rules as anyone else. If they can't handle the concept of what is or isn't allowed in the game, this sadly just isn't the place for them.
Dersen Lowery Knavery Inc. StructureDamage 151	Posted - 2012.11.06 19:10:00 - [60] - Quote Expending Doom wrote: You know people don't choose to be mentally ****** either. Does that mean that anyone who says **** things should be tip-toed around? And there it is, right there. These things are forbidden because they don't make sense. They're purely and needlessly hurtful. 99.999% of the things that are described as "******," in one version or another, are nothing that someone with one of a certain set of diseases would actually do. It's demeaning an entire demographic by using their congenital condition as a perjorative. Tear extraction is an interesting case, because while it is always directed at the person, it is also only effective if you're a poor sport, i.e., if you reject EVE's social contract. I don't think it helps anything, to be honest, but to use a tabletop analogy, what do you do with the guy who bawls and pitches a huge fit because he got a bad roll and his character died?

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