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Lo'ar	Posted - 2005.04.13 22:17:00 - [31] im doing lvl 4 agent missions fine in an apoc, all i use is 6 dual modal heavy lasors, 2 seige and a webber in mid, i tank fine and can hit cruisers at around 6/7k with multi's. I admit at first i was like wtf mega pulse suck but if u swap em for beams u should be ok.
Rhuu	Posted - 2005.04.14 05:41:00 - [32] I do my level 4 missions with a blasterthron. My cap skills and gunnery skills aren't as high as they could be, either. I do end up having to warp in and out a bit on some of the complexes... The only one I couldn't quite manage to complete was the Angels Extravaganza. Those are nasty. I know that the sniper setups do it more efficiently, and ravens are more efficient still, but you can handle level 4 missions with a short ranged setup. You just have to know when to panic.
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.04.14 06:16:00 - [33] Originally by: MutationZ I tried this in a tempest yesterday and its refreshing to have to refit my ship and give it another go. I'm a bit light on SP so I have to do this - it seems to me you just want a "auto win" button installing. Its meant to be tough ffs. You cant just walk in with one set up and browse the forums while your ships wtfpwns all comers.... If you cant hit a BS orbitting you at 50km then something is wrong with your fitting or your typing mkay? Why not concerntrate on the positive points - No more 15km trek to the warp gate Makes sense except for the part where you cant have the pwn all ship, take a look at the raven then tell me when you ever have to change a set up. Thank you come again.
Myko	Posted - 2005.04.14 08:32:00 - [34] Quote: Makes sense except for the part where you cant have the pwn all ship, take a look at the raven then tell me when you ever have to change a set up. Thank you come again. next patch? i'm sure some people, in preparation of the patch tried out several new Apoc setups, and figure out one with tactics that let them carry on soloing lvl 4's. I'm sure lots of others simply whined like mad, and are now waiting for others to come up with a no-brains setup. Hopefully Raven pilots are considering how they will attempt lvl 4 missions with the possible balancing of missiles in mind, rather than spending all their time fighting the inevitable... The Minmatar and Gallente (ship) pilots carry on as normal, used as they are to their non-FOTM ships and prepare for new Apoc and raven setups...
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2005.04.14 09:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Uggs386 dual heavy beam for the crap damage. wont do enough damage to kill named officers. booooooo hooooooo you know their are people who do lvl 4 missions solo in Tempests with no tank WHAT SO EVER faster and better than any tank/pulse could dream of. Learn how to fly something other than a 'win button' config yah bum. -----
Kinjirra	Posted - 2005.04.14 12:02:00 - [36] Bring a Friend....oh wait that would require too much effort..
DarkAlpha	Posted - 2005.04.14 14:02:00 - [37] There we go. CCP this CCP that. Cry me a river. No forgiveness with out bloodshed!
Elemmakil	Posted - 2005.04.14 17:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Uggs386 You could use beams, but then it kinda ruins the apocs tank cause they take up soo much powergrid. Pretty much they start out fo range when they get in range and into orbit you can hardly hit them. Apoc was slow for missions before now its too slow for missions guess i will have to give in and trainf or a raven o well for wasting most my time on eve training up good gunnery skills, atleast they still useful in pvp for now. Guess what.. yes this is what happens to a mega or min ship welcome to balance. Raven we¦re waiting for you in next patch
Elemmakil	Posted - 2005.04.14 17:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Lucre Originally by: aeti beams? Problem with megabeams is you can't hit cruiser sized targets inside 30-40km. Or at least not unless you let them get into webber range (and having half a dozen cruisers at point-blank range is a good way to die!). Which is a pain both for hunting and missions. For missions I 'adapted' long ago by using SniperGankerPoc for realspace (making BMs to keep range open as needed) and Raven for deadspace (where you can't do that). For hunting I'm really not sure what Apocs are going to do now both megapulse range (30%) and peak damage (18%, effectively, due to tracking effects at now shorter ranges) have been nerfed. (Okay, this is more a case of the Apoc joining the Gallante and Minmatar ships in the "large turrets suck department" than being unfairly nerfed. And okay, the Scorp pilots aren't happy either right now! But IMHO it still seems rather a retrogade step to take the one gun that did work well and nerf it rather than fixing all the others!) No it didn¦t work well it was broken, you¦re supposed to hardly hit smaller ships under shorter ranges, now is working as intended.
Fantome	Posted - 2005.04.14 17:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Uggs386 As title says thank you ccp for nerfing mega pulses so now only ship that can do lvl 4 missions solo is somethign with ateast 4 missle points. I took this time to write it cause im sitting here waiting for a friend to come in his raven to kill these 2 2.75 mil bs while i tank them, because they orbit at 50 km and mega pulses cant hit them. And 2 siege launchers is hardly enough to take them out. WTS APOCALYPSE BS. i killed this "duo of death" alone in my appoc : megapulse II, infrared cristal ( those 2.75mil BS are staying 39km range) Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
CargoCult	Posted - 2005.04.15 05:31:00 - [41] good trick = warp out no no this isn't a joke, warp out dock at a station (or go through a gate) something that makes the sever update then warp back in a 15km - voila - enamy ships at short range
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.15 07:10:00 - [42] Meh ... Original statement 'IMPOSSIBLE' Lies. though I will agree it will take longer now But lets be fair Apoc was never the quickest mission runner anyway Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.04.15 07:55:00 - [43] clearly, you need to use target painters. [Heterocephalus glaber]

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