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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:50:00 -
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Stick got cut down to size? Zap I guess you can go and take that 'dump' now. Here comes the door! *whack* - off to SWG. Pathetic!
Edited by: IZON on 05/07/2003 19:31:21
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
j0rt
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:53:00 -
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It seems like most people in m0o have similar feelings to zap. Most of them seem to have stopped playing, which I suppose is ultimately what people like Pann had wanted. I cant really speak for everyone in the corp but for me there is very little to do in this game any more. There is no advancing past battleships and it seems quite sad that a game that showed so much promise has constricted the pvp element so harshly that there is little point in continuing. With Zap and a few others leaving it seems that the writing is on the wall for m0o in Eve. Perhaps I am wrong but I think it has been a long time coming now. Like Zap I too have cancelled my account, I doubt I will be online much any more but I would just like to say in the short time we played that we had some good fun, and also I hope that noone took what we did too seriously, its only a game after all :)
Edited by: j0rt on 05/07/2003 18:57:21
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:55:00 -
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"1st, I'm not a pirate."
Yeah. Were using that indirect 'one' in my reply for a reason... :)
<number of suggestions snipped to save space>
"Is that enough for you or should I continue?"
I think that was perfect as far as constructivity goes.
From myself, i can only add i think CCP would benefit greatly from the articles available at gamasutra.com website... i mean, i don't expect them to _not_ watch that site already because it's a must for a game developer... but actually using advice available there would help a lot.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:57:00 -
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So now that the combat has been fixed, weapon range adjustments based on ammo type and other issues that gave moo such an advantage are fixed, they are leaving.
Just not fun to play when you're forced to play by the same rules as everyone else eh? See ya later, bye bye.
-E
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Main
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:58:00 -
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It was a rarity for me to meet moo on or off the battlefield but they are all good guys.
You will be sorely missed by the community even though most of them won't bother to tell you. Your style of gameplay will be missed but hopefully some of the other pirate corporations can grow and take your place.
Main
Everlasting Vendetta Veteran
Member of the Stain Alliance |
Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:14:00 -
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Don't care
Mad Dog says:
Bet I'm the only true Reverend in the game. It says so on the printout I got from an Internet site. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:38:00 -
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You can't help but wonder why they chose this point to leave.
Was it because they couldn't "exploit" like they could?
Was it because they couldn't dominate like they could?
Were both of these factors the result of the new patch?
Or, much more likely, everyone caught up and things became too hot to handle?
I'd rather they stayed and tried to do what they did against all odds.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
The Slayer
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:39:00 -
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Sad to see u go, its nice to have some charactors in the game.
And you cant leave, you WERE the content!
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-EF- The Slayer |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:47:00 -
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Because Syn that would require him shaving the pink fluffy fur and his eyes and actually seeing the game for what it is.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:48:00 -
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Eh, they'll be back.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:55:00 -
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Moo hasnt exploited in a long time. Yes Moo came up on M3G4 and yes there where some skimirsh, but you know what. I counted a totally of two (yes that is t-w-o) cannisters in over 5 engagements with moo in a one day period. Even when they where camping the gate for several hours. Lord Zap it was a pleasure to have been targeted by you and still manage to get away. :) But what Moo has said about PVP is true. So Carebears UNITE and stand in the superhighway safe to mine your asteroids so that yes every newbie in the game can have a battleship. Ohhh you say for the pirates to go out to deep space. WHAT FOR?? 20k to 50k pirates that can still be soloed??
I truly believe that if there was some kinda content in the 0.0 space the pirate situation wouldnt have gotten so bad. We would have spent out time trying to get thru an encounter or figuring out how the new epic fight was happening. Instead 10k pirates populate most of the asteroid belts with the occasional 3k pirates that can still be one shotted.
I salute all of Moo. Honor to have met you on the battlefield and someday i will figure out how to kill tekforce. :) Till the next pvp game. Later Moo
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you |
loci
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:04:00 -
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"I truly believe that if there was some kinda content in the 0.0 space the pirate situation wouldnt have gotten so bad"
there are loads of corps out in 0.0
your just too ****in lazy to go out there after them, or too weak to take them on
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:10:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:12:00 -
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<< I'd rather they stayed and tried to do what they did against all odds. >>
What odds? For there to be odds there would have to be a chance. Which there isn't one.
I'd love for you to tell just what you expect any pirate to do right now except quit. Chase down mining convoys outside empire space? THEY'RE ALL OVER THE FRELLIN PLACE. Catch one and it'll take you 2 hours to go catch the second one. Blockade a chokepoint? Pick one out of the hundreds.
You honestly expect anyone to choose to be a pirate, good or bad, with absolutely no chance of gaining any profit because the entire game is balanced against you?
<< there are loads of corps out in 0.0
your just too ****in lazy to go out there after them, or too weak to take them on >>
loci, have you ever heard of a needle in a haystack? Hell, why don't you try and find me out in 0.0 space.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/07/2003 20:14:12
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:17:00 -
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OR, since you are leaving anyway, let me kill you and collect the bounty.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:19:00 -
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It's only been, what, 2 days since the patch?
The big issues with this patch are:
1. The new jettisoning action.
2. Stations becoming very attached to ships trying to warp.
3. Lab slots/factory slots going missing along with items.
4, Slow customer service response times.
Now, I'd like you to tell me that those are the 4 reasons M0O are leaving the game.
It surely can't be the fact they are now unable to kill who they like when they like.
Don't forget, the vast majority of M0O kills came from taking advantage of the lag when warping in - this patch affected none of that so what has changed?
Weapon damage has changed, stacking issues have changed, and container dropping has changed.
THAT is why they bloody left.
Not because CCP suck.
They left because the game is more balanced and fair (but bloody bugged now).
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:23:00 -
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there is one true truth:
Capitalism always wins in the end.
CCP was afraid of losing money...
they responded to the threat to their financial interests with extreme force.
was anyone surprised?
I hate being pkilled ... however, I have witnessed in the 5 weeks of playing a collapse of everything that made this game better then any other mmorpg I've played.
This game was BUILT on pvp. If you can't kill other people... you end up sitting around in a big circle jerk ejaculating ore filled canisters into space... (not to self, the imposed 5 minute canister spawn now makes mining a good practice for stamina irl :P)
The very people that are complaining about PC pirates will be BEGGING for something to happen to make this game fun again. Good points were made here...
Where is the content? .... what is the goal after a battle ship? Where are the many different things listed in the MANUAL that are "currently not implemented".
You ***** about Moo using exploits. It could be argued that the mega corps used exploits as well. In fact... why not just say that ALL BETA testers used exploits to get a quantum jump over everyone else in the first two weeks of mining the bistot and arkanor as well as utilizing the training skill bug. The fact of the matter is that if you don't play in beta these days... you will never truly compete with the big boys. Exploits by definition are only finding ways to take advantage of the system. Who does that better then the mega corps? So don't stick it up MOO's ass just because they killed a few hundred people. (by the way, 10-15 of those were my own corp members)
Flame away... you'll still be wrong in the end.
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
Edited by: Mungis on 05/07/2003 20:30:24
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:43:00 -
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I'm forced to wonder how many "newbies" Lord Zap and people like him drove from Eve because they got their ship destroyed and podkilled very early on because they couldn't afford a clone/insurance yet?
The last patch seems like, more than anything else, a huge screaming message from the DEVs (and the non PK'er players too!) that their pparticular brand of pirating (podding newbs and others at gates, etc.) is a very unwelcome style of PvP.
I feel like someone at CCP was looking at cancellations and noticed many cancelled because they lost their ships in a blink of an eye.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:48:00 -
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"come on come on ... listen to the money talk"
(repeat into infinity)
since when do developers "choose" how or when people are killed?
why not pay other corps ISK to police ... or perhaps give them slightly better weapons (ie, a funded military)
Instead, the pink bat of *** abandon gets unsheathed and all hell (erm, do i get banned for saying that word?) ensues.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:49:00 -
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Mungis, PVP is very much alive and doing well.
All you have to do is declare war on an enemy corp and you can fight anywhere anytime.
The only people that think PVP is dead are the same ones that were claming that PVP was dead when all the CS servers started banning wall hacks.
Killing someone before they can respond (lag for whatever reasion) is not PVP. Killing someone in 4 sec is not PVP. I remember all the whiners tring to claim that using an AWP and shooting through building or using aim bots was PVP, Wrong.
The only reasion that they are quitting is that they can no longer use exploits and because of that they do not have the "real" skills to compeat on a level playing field.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:01:00 -
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um...
the reason they are quiting is that there are very few people for them to actually kill.
Making war on other corps is a joke
If there truly are going to be "pirates" in this game (which CCP has now made it perfectly clear that there won't be)there needs to be some insentive for them to kill.
Is it really financially sound to go attack a mega corp and hope to maybe hit a industrial in deep space? Come on... give me a break. Where is the money in that?
Real life (like it or not) revolves around the strong preying on the weak. If people hate pirates so much... let the uber wealthy corps go out and fight them. The reason they don't... it isn't profitable to chase around 3 or 4 pirates. It is like trying to slap a mosquito with a cruise missle.
The only thing I would change is make it harder for them to run (ie, the 2 seconds it takes for pirates to enter the jump gate).
You do realize this... with human nature... given the opportunity ... most people would be in the same shoes as moo if they could. The true problem comes from the fact that they aren't. When you are behind the gun... life is great, when you are in front of it... life just isn't that grand.
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... nerf Eve for the money!"
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:07:00 -
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Good point.... If the PK/ers still want to Kill with monosexual abandon... let them declare war on all the corps they want.. that gives them free reign in HIGH sec systems.. they can charge ransom to take the corps off their hit list... for pity sakes... the griefers were camping gates taking unfair advantage.. tough donkey poo.. now it's a bit safer.. but use your heads Pirates..you found exploits before you can find them again.. but if you want to run away and hide under your mom's skirts ... have fun.. it was nice not knowing you...
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:13:00 -
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PVP is dead in game atm, nobody fights cos it just aint worth it and there is nothing to be gained from it.
Stations might help this, but only if they are implemented nicely, and so far I aint filled with limitless hope..
Stav
Edited by: Stavros on 05/07/2003 21:13:52
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:14:00 -
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*watching with humor* as "the point" rolls over skeeves's head
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... nerf Eve for the money"
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:15:00 -
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CCP needs to make up its mind. Is this a PvP game, or is it a Mining Simulator. Even corporations at war get hit by cops/gate guns.
Trade runs (if they were really profitable), are no-risk now. People can get very well equipped Battleships, with no reason to have them.
ECCM/ECM loot? Useless.
They really need to get their act together here, and stop responding to the whining minority.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:15:00 -
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CCP needs to make up its mind. Is this a PvP game, or is it a Mining Simulator. Even corporations at war get hit by cops/gate guns.
Trade runs (if they were really profitable), are no-risk now. People can get very well equipped Battleships, with no reason to have them.
ECCM/ECM loot? Useless.
They really need to get their act together here, and stop responding to the whining minority.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Trebonius
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:26:00 -
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Bye bye Zap.
I don't think that CCP ever intended pirating to be a viable profession or play any role in the game world. It's a shame that they wasted your money and time.
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ORE REMOVAL TECHNICIAN
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:30:00 -
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"Pirates don't go after ore. It takes up too much volume in their cargo holds. Trade goods are more portable and having to leave 75% of what was in the hold of a carrier still provided a better profit than 15 units of arkanor."
Hmm so that why the "pirates" were killing all the noobs because of all the great items that they dropped. Whens the last time you saw anything more than omb drop from a noob miner?
"So what are pirates supposed to do when faced with the following circumstances:
1) Too much space to effectively setup traps for anyone."
Set traps? How about, 1. look at map 2. see where players are using the players in space display 3. Fly to where they are mining 4. Attack them and take all their equipment and ore.
OH wait that would mean you would actualy have to work for your isk. And maybe fight actual armed players.
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2) Too much space to effectively locate anyone
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HUH.. Using my agents I can pay and loacate anyone anywhere in the game. If I added them to my people list I know when they are on or off, then run to my agent and ask.
Oh wait that would take effort.. can't have that.
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3) Too few stations to support the basic needs of all players, let alone ones barred from empire space"
Sorry, you knew the risks on this one. If you want to be a criminal then you have to accept results of your actions. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"
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4) The only prey out there carrying ore, which is the least logical cargo to seek."
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Hmm refined this ore makes meg, the most valued min in the game. People actualy trade the meg for Battle Ships (just the min no isk). All you would need to do is have a fellow (not so naughty) pirate meet you with an indy and carry back your ill gotten bootie. (you know pirates treasure)..
Oh wait that would take effort.. can't have that.
There is an old saying, you are what you eat. Well from all th BS you have been regergatating I know what you full of.
You "concept" of PVP is nothing more than punk bully stunts. (pulling wings off flys, picking on little girls, stealing candy from babys, attacking lvl10 players while you are a lvl69 barby in D2, etc...) i'm sure your famular with all of these because you obviously have no concept of real PVP.
Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 05/07/2003 21:33:35
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HomeBones II
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:33:00 -
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When Lord Zap was in the same system, you'd crap yourself then dock. It made the game intense. Now there is no PvP, only SimSpace!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:35:00 -
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Sorry, but I think pirating is still possible. Not as much as profitable as mining / trading though.
Instead of camping gates in 0.4 empire space you can get your money and fame doing more demanding things now.
My small company is offering a blackmail service e.g., that means I have someone who asks me to blow up X ships from corp Y for money Z for example. And if corp Y wants me to stop, corp Y has to pay some ISK to me and a part of it goes to the contract partner. Hard to do it in empire space now, that's why I am taking contracts against corps who also operate outside now only, but it is still possible.
It takes me a lot of work to find the dudes to hunt their ships down, I have a huge risk and make a lot of enmies.
But since I have chosen this path...
I wish I would have some talented staff to expand *eg*.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
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