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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.07.05 15:54:00 -
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Subscription cancelled, done and dusted, good riddance. Go on flame me! This game is sadly lacking in all major areas and its sad but I've finally cancelled my subscription. I was so impressed with this game during beta testing and now find myself dissapointed with what it has been turned into. Ive still paid up until early September but CCP won't be getting any more money off me, not while they refuse to add much needed content and 'gameplay'. I won't be missed I hear you cry... well neither will this game :-)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 15:58:00 -
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Ouch. Personally, I will miss you. Too many people, stiff from mining and scanning market prices all day, are making the universe a very dry place. The universe needs a good shake up and you actually provided a good one.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:00:00 -
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We need a new comic here.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:02:00 -
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That's a shame... it's really still quite possible to PK lots of people. :)
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Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
loci
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:03:00 -
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i can recommend some instakill games for you..
guaranteed tactic free ;)
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Secrecy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:05:00 -
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=D Gimme your Dominix BP =D
I'm sure all the content and tweeking will be done by Sep. You'll probably stay.
Seriously tho if you must go, go out with a bang, only fitting. Pick any large corp and make a massive dent in their profit margin..a sort of good-bye suicide mission. That is if mOo has the strength to do so now. |
Chee
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:06:00 -
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this forum is a dark place, full with complaints and ppl quitting, hardly any content. guess its not only CCP's fault, too much lamers here
Its not enough to succeed. Others must fail. |
Clone 0937
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:06:00 -
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"Ten can spammers
Camping by the gate
Ten can spammers
Camping by the gate
And if one can spammer
Should cancel his account
There'll be nine can spammers
Camping by the gate"
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:10:00 -
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This is some good news. Good riddance to you and all like you.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:13:00 -
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Rath Amon, at least he made some news. Unlike you.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Haegl
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:14:00 -
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Hmmmm, mind-numbing scum that you are, the game will be less interesting without your casual level of violence.
However, I am sure many others will pick up the gauntlet.
Good folks always need Evil folks to give them someone fun to hate...and you were good at what you did Zap.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:15:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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jabb0r
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:15:00 -
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and what about the bounty ??
u cant just take the 11 mill with you :-)
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:16:00 -
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Allowance from mom and dad ran out I guess...
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:31:00 -
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From one Zap to another, clear skies :)
I didn't agree with your playing style, but it's sometimes a shame to see (in)famous people leave the game.
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Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik
President, Royal Communication Department
http://eve.britishspacecorps.co.uk/http://eve.britishspacecorps |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:52:00 -
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"this forum is a dark place, full with complaints and ppl quitting, hardly any content. guess its not only CCP's fault, too much lamers here"
Only the ****ers are leaving, for the most part. Also a few very very impatient people. Most people in the game never touch these forums--I've encountered people who wonder how I know something, I tell them I saw it on the official forums, and they ask for the URL!
jabb0r: Love the pic.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:53:00 -
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Oh, and Lord Zap, you still going to play or are you really gone?
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:54:00 -
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Good riddance child.
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Emizzon
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:59:00 -
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Umm. . . you can't leave. . .I'm loosing a subject for my cartoons. . you can't leave. . but then again. . . feeling safe from being podded. . ermm. . no, I'd rather draw. .you can't leave ^_^;;
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YourOldBuddy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:02:00 -
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Im pretty sure that with the advent of buildable bases the game will have more for high lvl gamers to strive for. I wont miss you or your exploits. Think you ruined the game for yourself.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:04:00 -
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Cya Zap, although we played on seperate sides of the bad guy spectrum, you caused more of a stir than any of these idiots flaming you. Our style of play (piracy) will continue to be nerfed until CCP finds something else to focus on thats PvP related and bash that with the nerf bat.
Happy Hunting.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Seraph Warbird
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:17:00 -
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What's gonna happen with the rest of M0O?
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0wndz0r
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:27:00 -
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Well, thoose of u who likes the idea of pvp fights being over in a couple of seconds with weapons doing over 250 per second. I grat u for constantly whining about theese nerfs... the balancing is good PERIOD!..
and for u lord zap im glad to see u leave... the community doesnt need a ****er like u trying to find any exploits in game to use and make urself overpowered.
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Secrecy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:28:00 -
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The Reverend (a.k.a. Leeloo) can take helm. He was the badass pirate of beta afterall. Would be interresting to see what would come of it under his leadership.
Ah yes, Maarek, the old stlye of piracy is what got the game to this point in the first place. Abuse the system and they will change it.
Edited by: Secrecy on 05/07/2003 17:37:19 |
darkk
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:31:00 -
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hiya, im not really a fan from u lord nub, but eve will not be the same without u.
but for me, m0o was always a exploit only corp, without the surg gyro bug u cannot kill any1 with 1 shot, so i hope u re enter eve when it got new features and u can fight with normal methods too :]
until then, good luck and so on in ur real live
Edited by: darkk on 05/07/2003 17:33:34
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:31:00 -
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<< Well, thoose of u who likes the idea of pvp fights being over in a couple of seconds with weapons doing over 250 per second. I grat u for constantly whining about theese nerfs... the balancing is good PERIOD!..
and for u lord zap im glad to see u leave... the community doesnt need a ****er like u trying to find any exploits in game to use and make urself overpowered. >>
It's real easy to talk big while hiding behind sentry guns. It's even easier to talk big on some alt you created solely for the purpose of insulting people.
I'm sure that if m0o or the Red Corsairs could still enter even low security empire space, they'd still 'ownzor your ass'. Because there hasn't been a weapon made yet that'll let an industrial beat even a n00b reaper.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Macumba
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:35:00 -
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Cyas Zap. I never liked your style of play but you were good at what you did. You helped make the game a bit more interesting anyway.
Good luck at whatever you choose next.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Leshiy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:00:00 -
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Personally, I will miss you .And I'll hope that you will be back.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:24:00 -
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"It's real easy to talk big while hiding behind sentry guns. It's even easier to talk big on some alt you created solely for the purpose of insulting people."
I figure it's as easy as talking big while sitting around gate, safe in the knowledge one can target and kill people before they even have their controls back.. even easier when one knows they can warp away the second things go bad for them.
I wish at least one of those people whining "no content, no gameplay, nerf, nerf, nerf, you're all gaaaay and am taking my toys home, waaaaaaaaaahhh" would specifically say what content and what gameplay they'd like to see, what did they expect when they got the game in the first place. It'd for once made such posts worth reading.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:35:00 -
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My only question is, could Zap and the rest of M0o seriously expect to run around killing people without any retaliation forever? Seriously, I can't help but laugh at anyone who goes around killing people, and then whines when changes are made and he (or she) rightfully can't go into higher sec areas without getting shot at and actually MIGHT get shot back at when camping gates because they cant blast a 10 million ISK cruiser in a few seconds. boo friggin' hoo.
Though I do agree (with this patch) that cruiser guns (especially projectile) were nerfed a little too much, slowing down NPC pirate hunting that was at a much better pace before patch. (I never used SS with lots of dmg modules)
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 05/07/2003 18:50:17
I am the OG PIIIIIMP |
IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:50:00 -
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Stick got cut down to size? Zap I guess you can go and take that 'dump' now. Here comes the door! *whack* - off to SWG. Pathetic!
Edited by: IZON on 05/07/2003 19:31:21
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
j0rt
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:53:00 -
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It seems like most people in m0o have similar feelings to zap. Most of them seem to have stopped playing, which I suppose is ultimately what people like Pann had wanted. I cant really speak for everyone in the corp but for me there is very little to do in this game any more. There is no advancing past battleships and it seems quite sad that a game that showed so much promise has constricted the pvp element so harshly that there is little point in continuing. With Zap and a few others leaving it seems that the writing is on the wall for m0o in Eve. Perhaps I am wrong but I think it has been a long time coming now. Like Zap I too have cancelled my account, I doubt I will be online much any more but I would just like to say in the short time we played that we had some good fun, and also I hope that noone took what we did too seriously, its only a game after all :)
Edited by: j0rt on 05/07/2003 18:57:21
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:55:00 -
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"1st, I'm not a pirate."
Yeah. Were using that indirect 'one' in my reply for a reason... :)
<number of suggestions snipped to save space>
"Is that enough for you or should I continue?"
I think that was perfect as far as constructivity goes.
From myself, i can only add i think CCP would benefit greatly from the articles available at gamasutra.com website... i mean, i don't expect them to _not_ watch that site already because it's a must for a game developer... but actually using advice available there would help a lot.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:57:00 -
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So now that the combat has been fixed, weapon range adjustments based on ammo type and other issues that gave moo such an advantage are fixed, they are leaving.
Just not fun to play when you're forced to play by the same rules as everyone else eh? See ya later, bye bye.
-E
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Main
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:58:00 -
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It was a rarity for me to meet moo on or off the battlefield but they are all good guys.
You will be sorely missed by the community even though most of them won't bother to tell you. Your style of gameplay will be missed but hopefully some of the other pirate corporations can grow and take your place.
Main
Everlasting Vendetta Veteran
Member of the Stain Alliance |
Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:14:00 -
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Don't care
Mad Dog says:
Bet I'm the only true Reverend in the game. It says so on the printout I got from an Internet site. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:38:00 -
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You can't help but wonder why they chose this point to leave.
Was it because they couldn't "exploit" like they could?
Was it because they couldn't dominate like they could?
Were both of these factors the result of the new patch?
Or, much more likely, everyone caught up and things became too hot to handle?
I'd rather they stayed and tried to do what they did against all odds.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
The Slayer
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:39:00 -
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Sad to see u go, its nice to have some charactors in the game.
And you cant leave, you WERE the content!
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-EF- The Slayer |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:47:00 -
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Because Syn that would require him shaving the pink fluffy fur and his eyes and actually seeing the game for what it is.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:48:00 -
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Eh, they'll be back.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:55:00 -
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Moo hasnt exploited in a long time. Yes Moo came up on M3G4 and yes there where some skimirsh, but you know what. I counted a totally of two (yes that is t-w-o) cannisters in over 5 engagements with moo in a one day period. Even when they where camping the gate for several hours. Lord Zap it was a pleasure to have been targeted by you and still manage to get away. :) But what Moo has said about PVP is true. So Carebears UNITE and stand in the superhighway safe to mine your asteroids so that yes every newbie in the game can have a battleship. Ohhh you say for the pirates to go out to deep space. WHAT FOR?? 20k to 50k pirates that can still be soloed??
I truly believe that if there was some kinda content in the 0.0 space the pirate situation wouldnt have gotten so bad. We would have spent out time trying to get thru an encounter or figuring out how the new epic fight was happening. Instead 10k pirates populate most of the asteroid belts with the occasional 3k pirates that can still be one shotted.
I salute all of Moo. Honor to have met you on the battlefield and someday i will figure out how to kill tekforce. :) Till the next pvp game. Later Moo
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you |
loci
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:04:00 -
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"I truly believe that if there was some kinda content in the 0.0 space the pirate situation wouldnt have gotten so bad"
there are loads of corps out in 0.0
your just too ****in lazy to go out there after them, or too weak to take them on
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:10:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:12:00 -
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<< I'd rather they stayed and tried to do what they did against all odds. >>
What odds? For there to be odds there would have to be a chance. Which there isn't one.
I'd love for you to tell just what you expect any pirate to do right now except quit. Chase down mining convoys outside empire space? THEY'RE ALL OVER THE FRELLIN PLACE. Catch one and it'll take you 2 hours to go catch the second one. Blockade a chokepoint? Pick one out of the hundreds.
You honestly expect anyone to choose to be a pirate, good or bad, with absolutely no chance of gaining any profit because the entire game is balanced against you?
<< there are loads of corps out in 0.0
your just too ****in lazy to go out there after them, or too weak to take them on >>
loci, have you ever heard of a needle in a haystack? Hell, why don't you try and find me out in 0.0 space.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/07/2003 20:14:12
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:17:00 -
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OR, since you are leaving anyway, let me kill you and collect the bounty.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:19:00 -
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It's only been, what, 2 days since the patch?
The big issues with this patch are:
1. The new jettisoning action.
2. Stations becoming very attached to ships trying to warp.
3. Lab slots/factory slots going missing along with items.
4, Slow customer service response times.
Now, I'd like you to tell me that those are the 4 reasons M0O are leaving the game.
It surely can't be the fact they are now unable to kill who they like when they like.
Don't forget, the vast majority of M0O kills came from taking advantage of the lag when warping in - this patch affected none of that so what has changed?
Weapon damage has changed, stacking issues have changed, and container dropping has changed.
THAT is why they bloody left.
Not because CCP suck.
They left because the game is more balanced and fair (but bloody bugged now).
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:23:00 -
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there is one true truth:
Capitalism always wins in the end.
CCP was afraid of losing money...
they responded to the threat to their financial interests with extreme force.
was anyone surprised?
I hate being pkilled ... however, I have witnessed in the 5 weeks of playing a collapse of everything that made this game better then any other mmorpg I've played.
This game was BUILT on pvp. If you can't kill other people... you end up sitting around in a big circle jerk ejaculating ore filled canisters into space... (not to self, the imposed 5 minute canister spawn now makes mining a good practice for stamina irl :P)
The very people that are complaining about PC pirates will be BEGGING for something to happen to make this game fun again. Good points were made here...
Where is the content? .... what is the goal after a battle ship? Where are the many different things listed in the MANUAL that are "currently not implemented".
You ***** about Moo using exploits. It could be argued that the mega corps used exploits as well. In fact... why not just say that ALL BETA testers used exploits to get a quantum jump over everyone else in the first two weeks of mining the bistot and arkanor as well as utilizing the training skill bug. The fact of the matter is that if you don't play in beta these days... you will never truly compete with the big boys. Exploits by definition are only finding ways to take advantage of the system. Who does that better then the mega corps? So don't stick it up MOO's ass just because they killed a few hundred people. (by the way, 10-15 of those were my own corp members)
Flame away... you'll still be wrong in the end.
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
Edited by: Mungis on 05/07/2003 20:30:24
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:43:00 -
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I'm forced to wonder how many "newbies" Lord Zap and people like him drove from Eve because they got their ship destroyed and podkilled very early on because they couldn't afford a clone/insurance yet?
The last patch seems like, more than anything else, a huge screaming message from the DEVs (and the non PK'er players too!) that their pparticular brand of pirating (podding newbs and others at gates, etc.) is a very unwelcome style of PvP.
I feel like someone at CCP was looking at cancellations and noticed many cancelled because they lost their ships in a blink of an eye.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:48:00 -
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"come on come on ... listen to the money talk"
(repeat into infinity)
since when do developers "choose" how or when people are killed?
why not pay other corps ISK to police ... or perhaps give them slightly better weapons (ie, a funded military)
Instead, the pink bat of *** abandon gets unsheathed and all hell (erm, do i get banned for saying that word?) ensues.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:49:00 -
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Mungis, PVP is very much alive and doing well.
All you have to do is declare war on an enemy corp and you can fight anywhere anytime.
The only people that think PVP is dead are the same ones that were claming that PVP was dead when all the CS servers started banning wall hacks.
Killing someone before they can respond (lag for whatever reasion) is not PVP. Killing someone in 4 sec is not PVP. I remember all the whiners tring to claim that using an AWP and shooting through building or using aim bots was PVP, Wrong.
The only reasion that they are quitting is that they can no longer use exploits and because of that they do not have the "real" skills to compeat on a level playing field.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:01:00 -
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um...
the reason they are quiting is that there are very few people for them to actually kill.
Making war on other corps is a joke
If there truly are going to be "pirates" in this game (which CCP has now made it perfectly clear that there won't be)there needs to be some insentive for them to kill.
Is it really financially sound to go attack a mega corp and hope to maybe hit a industrial in deep space? Come on... give me a break. Where is the money in that?
Real life (like it or not) revolves around the strong preying on the weak. If people hate pirates so much... let the uber wealthy corps go out and fight them. The reason they don't... it isn't profitable to chase around 3 or 4 pirates. It is like trying to slap a mosquito with a cruise missle.
The only thing I would change is make it harder for them to run (ie, the 2 seconds it takes for pirates to enter the jump gate).
You do realize this... with human nature... given the opportunity ... most people would be in the same shoes as moo if they could. The true problem comes from the fact that they aren't. When you are behind the gun... life is great, when you are in front of it... life just isn't that grand.
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... nerf Eve for the money!"
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:07:00 -
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Good point.... If the PK/ers still want to Kill with monosexual abandon... let them declare war on all the corps they want.. that gives them free reign in HIGH sec systems.. they can charge ransom to take the corps off their hit list... for pity sakes... the griefers were camping gates taking unfair advantage.. tough donkey poo.. now it's a bit safer.. but use your heads Pirates..you found exploits before you can find them again.. but if you want to run away and hide under your mom's skirts ... have fun.. it was nice not knowing you...
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:13:00 -
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PVP is dead in game atm, nobody fights cos it just aint worth it and there is nothing to be gained from it.
Stations might help this, but only if they are implemented nicely, and so far I aint filled with limitless hope..
Stav
Edited by: Stavros on 05/07/2003 21:13:52
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:14:00 -
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*watching with humor* as "the point" rolls over skeeves's head
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... nerf Eve for the money"
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:15:00 -
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CCP needs to make up its mind. Is this a PvP game, or is it a Mining Simulator. Even corporations at war get hit by cops/gate guns.
Trade runs (if they were really profitable), are no-risk now. People can get very well equipped Battleships, with no reason to have them.
ECCM/ECM loot? Useless.
They really need to get their act together here, and stop responding to the whining minority.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:15:00 -
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CCP needs to make up its mind. Is this a PvP game, or is it a Mining Simulator. Even corporations at war get hit by cops/gate guns.
Trade runs (if they were really profitable), are no-risk now. People can get very well equipped Battleships, with no reason to have them.
ECCM/ECM loot? Useless.
They really need to get their act together here, and stop responding to the whining minority.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Trebonius
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:26:00 -
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Bye bye Zap.
I don't think that CCP ever intended pirating to be a viable profession or play any role in the game world. It's a shame that they wasted your money and time.
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ORE REMOVAL TECHNICIAN
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:30:00 -
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"Pirates don't go after ore. It takes up too much volume in their cargo holds. Trade goods are more portable and having to leave 75% of what was in the hold of a carrier still provided a better profit than 15 units of arkanor."
Hmm so that why the "pirates" were killing all the noobs because of all the great items that they dropped. Whens the last time you saw anything more than omb drop from a noob miner?
"So what are pirates supposed to do when faced with the following circumstances:
1) Too much space to effectively setup traps for anyone."
Set traps? How about, 1. look at map 2. see where players are using the players in space display 3. Fly to where they are mining 4. Attack them and take all their equipment and ore.
OH wait that would mean you would actualy have to work for your isk. And maybe fight actual armed players.
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2) Too much space to effectively locate anyone
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HUH.. Using my agents I can pay and loacate anyone anywhere in the game. If I added them to my people list I know when they are on or off, then run to my agent and ask.
Oh wait that would take effort.. can't have that.
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3) Too few stations to support the basic needs of all players, let alone ones barred from empire space"
Sorry, you knew the risks on this one. If you want to be a criminal then you have to accept results of your actions. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"
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4) The only prey out there carrying ore, which is the least logical cargo to seek."
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Hmm refined this ore makes meg, the most valued min in the game. People actualy trade the meg for Battle Ships (just the min no isk). All you would need to do is have a fellow (not so naughty) pirate meet you with an indy and carry back your ill gotten bootie. (you know pirates treasure)..
Oh wait that would take effort.. can't have that.
There is an old saying, you are what you eat. Well from all th BS you have been regergatating I know what you full of.
You "concept" of PVP is nothing more than punk bully stunts. (pulling wings off flys, picking on little girls, stealing candy from babys, attacking lvl10 players while you are a lvl69 barby in D2, etc...) i'm sure your famular with all of these because you obviously have no concept of real PVP.
Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 05/07/2003 21:33:35
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HomeBones II
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:33:00 -
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When Lord Zap was in the same system, you'd crap yourself then dock. It made the game intense. Now there is no PvP, only SimSpace!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:35:00 -
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Sorry, but I think pirating is still possible. Not as much as profitable as mining / trading though.
Instead of camping gates in 0.4 empire space you can get your money and fame doing more demanding things now.
My small company is offering a blackmail service e.g., that means I have someone who asks me to blow up X ships from corp Y for money Z for example. And if corp Y wants me to stop, corp Y has to pay some ISK to me and a part of it goes to the contract partner. Hard to do it in empire space now, that's why I am taking contracts against corps who also operate outside now only, but it is still possible.
It takes me a lot of work to find the dudes to hunt their ships down, I have a huge risk and make a lot of enmies.
But since I have chosen this path...
I wish I would have some talented staff to expand *eg*.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
YourOldBuddy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 22:15:00 -
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Pasari is Empire space. Does anyone expect one of the stronger empires to watch a pirate corp munch on rookieships all day? Of course not. Maybie CCP could have foreseen silly exploiting griefers action like the one Moo took upon itself. The only action CCP has taken that I disagree with was teleporting them out of Empire space. They should have been dealt with by Caldari navy Battleships.... lots and lots of them.
An exploit is an exploit. They should have been warned not to use lag exploits and then kicked. Using an exploit is still getting ppl kicked from CS tournaments. Exloits just as bad as hacks. You dont have to be terribly smart to find exploits. Ppl found out about using cargo cont. to create lag during Beta. There just werent that many that wanted to use an exploit.
Edited by: YourOldBuddy on 05/07/2003 22:18:22
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j0rt
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Posted - 2003.07.05 22:19:00 -
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I cannot fail to see how people can only think that we attack an ibis or two. It makes me laugh, it really does :).
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 22:22:00 -
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Yep j0rt, this is true. The people are basicly speaking without any practical experience and this is really sad.
I know you wiped a few carebear mega corp cruisers some day.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Bach
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Posted - 2003.07.05 22:23:00 -
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OK, haven't read all the posts leading up to this cause its a small book but I will.
FYI- I have been pirating and gate camping these last few days since the patch. I have made money. Plenty of negative sec status and fought lots of battles. So If you saying PVP, gate camping, or pirating in general is dead. Well I for one can attest for a fact that is NOT the case.
Things may have gotten more difficult at this particular point in time. But, that which does not kill you will make you stronger.
As for the patch? Its like all patches. A semi permanant factor which could easily change next week or the one after that if it shows that it doesn't work. Thing is you would have to try it first. Demonstrate its deficiency and then get it fixed once you have facts to back up your arguement. Less than three days after the patch I don't think your at the facts stage yet. In fact your more likely still at the "shock of change" stage humans go through.
Attitude of patches - You know when they changes the location on the valuable ores to frontier space. A bunch of miners quit that day. Others moved out to the frontier, elisted guards and mined in the tougher areas. Trading has had changes to the point were the real valuable runs require long trips. Some traders braved the storm on that one but some quit. So now they actually made some PVP changes. Well here is the PREDICTION - some PVP will leave and some will overcome and stay.
I've heard alot of sheep shearing comments here by supposed PVP players. If this patch is too much for you to handle? Perhaps your goin to need a mirror to shear your next sheep.
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2003.07.05 22:24:00 -
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Zap....sorry to see you go. No sense in saying anything other than that. I don't like to see anyone quit just a little 2+ mos from retail launch.
Speaking of which, htf can anyone say this game is dead 2 mos out of the gate? ****e - really - people have barely started out of the gate. More ****e to be coming in, hopefully some bad ****e will go. The only thing CCP seems to be guilty of is some programming and the unfortunate marketing reality of releasing the game relatively close to SWG.
Some of these posts I have been reading are reminiscent of the initial months of AC. Crap, now it's considered one of the big three currently out there. Took a few months to get some of the crinks out, but there it is still chugging along 3+ years later.
AO had a death knell sounding 1+month out of the gate. There it is...still going with new reviews being rather postivie.
The reality is this game is rather complex. it's going to take time to build up resources and the like. Corp wars will happen, more people will be podded, new content will be issued.
Honestly, anyone that thinks PVP is locking on and the battle over <10 secs is fubar'ed. Wtf kind of pvping is that?
I don't necessarily agree with the way the empire space was reworked, and I didn't necessarily mind the blockads as it added some interest, but being able to kill the absolute neophytes, more green than n00bs, shouldn't have happened either.
Reality - game is 2 months old. If we put the same expectation upon a newborn baby, by this time, he/she should have finished Uni, made their first million, and marriage is around the corner.
Analogy is weak, couldnt come up with too much off the top of my head, but hopefully the point gets across.
CJ
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.05 23:03:00 -
[66]
Farewell m0o (or those members that are leaving). I'm of the opinion that CCP ought to have been paying your subs for you as for the last month or so you have been the content :D
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 23:26:00 -
[67]
<< Reality - game is 2 months old. If we put the same expectation upon a newborn baby, by this time, he/she should have finished Uni, made their first million, and marriage is around the corner.
Analogy is weak, couldnt come up with too much off the top of my head, but hopefully the point gets across. >>
Lord Zap and the others aren't talking about development. They're talking about the removal of existing game mechanics because a bunch of people who weren't even affected overexaggerated and whined that a bunch of n00bs were getting dusted.
And if we were talking about development, I would expect something I paid for to be fully developed at the time of purchase. You can have time for future development, easily. But CCP isn't doing future development. They're still trying to figure out the base mechanics. And screwing them up, along with screwing customers, because of a bunch of whining from people that caused games like Wolfenstein to have a green blood option. Whining from people, who I'd bet for the most part, haven't seen anything more than m0o's words on these forums.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Celticjim
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Posted - 2003.07.05 23:53:00 -
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"I know you didn't just reference AC as a good game. Doing so rendered your post useless for any informative information."
Whatever you want to think Mungis...simple fact remains my point doesn't negate the fact AC is still here. Still considered one of the big three, still has an active player base, still has new content...blah blah blah. Please, read the post for what it's worth rather than bashing my previous gaming interests to improve your flaccid board esteem. Merely stated it is still there after probs in the beginning launch.
Secondly, no *****ing going on here. Corp never *****ed, I never *****ed. I've yet to be ganked. Probably will happen in the future, but I would like to think a chance exists to get the hell out of dodge if required. If not...good fight and start over
Jash - I tend to agree with you about your points. AO is the best example that simple game mechanics - ie logging in game - were not even fixed. Never mind the existing content. Yet the last reviews I have seen about it are rather positive. However...I will still give the devs the benefit of doubt in this situation. You can beta test to your hearts content, until you get that full active player base online, there is no real way to see how all the mechanics apply. I agreed that some of the newly implemented stuff is less than satisfactory.
Regardless, I would like to reiterate my point I am sad to see Zap go. I hate it when any player leaves a newly developed game and merely to give it a chance that where it lacks at some point, it may pick up in others.
I loved to see the stuff going on with moo and the like. Still like to see it. I may not have liked everything that happened, but I didnt mind their corop. I hope to see them or something like them under another manifestation in the future.
CJ
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Tychus
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:05:00 -
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Sorry to see you go. You podded me once, second week of game (live). I wasn't paying attention, and forgot to turn off my auto-pilot. BOOM! Dead. Did i kvetch in the forums? No. Instead, i changed my style of play. No more carefree trips through happy-land-ville. I had to pay attention, and i had to be aware of my surroundings. I had to have an edge... So i set up "pirate" points leting me warp right to gates, i had a good loadout. I read the forum's. I knew where the hard boys played death-dealer. I played this game looking for the feeling i got playing Elite on my C-64 years ago; rating: Elite. All gone now. I hope i can stay awake long enough to deliver these robotics......
Fare well
Tychus
C.E.O.
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Secundus
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:08:00 -
[70]
Blah, blah, blah
Don't care.
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Sanru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:36:00 -
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Wish I could say I found m0o entertaining, wish I could say I'd miss them if they all left.
But I won't miss:
- Indiscriminate mass player killing
- A corp who makes alts for the sole purpose of joining a corp intent on cleaning them out
- Using every single loophole they can find to the detriment of others
- Childish behavior and verbal abuse in whatever channels they are in
m0o is griefing trash, they are not entertaining, they are not pleasant to have around. I wager their presence has driven off multiples of their number from the game. Their leaving would be nothing but positive.
I'm not against PvP, or even pirates. But you should understand that m0o were not pirates, nor were they into PvP.
m0o existed to destroy. They want to destroy players, not just kill them, but make their experience miserable. They wanted to destroy corps. Pirating is just a title they donned to make their actions appear more acceptable, in case you've forgotten their original theme was "serial killers in space" and their stated intent was to kill and destroy everyone in Eve.
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:37:00 -
[72]
To Jash Illian
Playing to win, interesting article..
Some quotes :
The whole point is to make iceman fall slower during his super so he gets more hits. Is it a bug? IÆm sure it is. It looks like a programming oversight to me. Would an expert player use this? Of course.
<snap>
But there is a limit. There is a point when the bug becomes too much. In tournaments, bugs that turn the game off, or freeze it indefinitely, or remove one of the characters from the playfield permanently are banned. Bugs so extreme that they stop gameplay are considered unfair even by non-scrubs.
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Taking on the bug where cargo containers cause the eve client to lag long enough to get killed, then your article says 'are considered unfair'.
The part on Starcraft, I have to agree upon, I use every tactic, however lame it might be in the opponents eyes, to win.
Original link to the article http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:49:00 -
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<< To Jash Illian
Playing to win, interesting article..
Some quotes :
The whole point is to make iceman fall slower during his super so he gets more hits. Is it a bug? IÆm sure it is. It looks like a programming oversight to me. Would an expert player use this? Of course.
<snap>
But there is a limit. There is a point when the bug becomes too much. In tournaments, bugs that turn the game off, or freeze it indefinitely, or remove one of the characters from the playfield permanently are banned. Bugs so extreme that they stop gameplay are considered unfair even by non-scrubs.
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Taking on the bug where cargo containers cause the eve client to lag long enough to get killed, then your article says 'are considered unfair'.
The part on Starcraft, I have to agree upon, I use every tactic, however lame it might be in the opponents eyes, to win. >>
Yes. There are limits and m0o crossed a few of them. But complaining about using weapon/module skill combinations open to everyone? Complaining they use every advantage possible to ensure they win? Complaining because the fight wasn't "fair"?
I think that article covers those subjects quite well.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:00:00 -
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No.. I don't think I missed the point at all... The main complaint by all were the Griefers "camping" gates... That would let them pot anyone coming out of warp and if you got lagged.. you were dead. Again a rather unfair advantage.. this got so bad that CCP had to respond or risk losing more than it could afford. You pirates seem to miss this point.
I'm all for some form of Pirating activity.. but like I've said all along.. on a LEVEL playing field. You were using an "exploit" to prey on people.... PVP is still there, you can take your chances now like REAL pirates.. I"ve been thru any number of mid level sec systems with no police presence at all and 20 or more people ... you're just ****ed that you can't take the "easy" kill now... Too bad so sad... relax and figgure out new ways to make our lives filled with terror and sleepless trade runs you pirate villans you...
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:13:00 -
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"Here, this is a good article for you to read: Playing to Win."
Has it occured to your simple inbred mind that there are games which are not all about winning? That there is just a chance the point of eve is not ment to be the "ub3r l33t d00d"?
This game is about players coming together in a fictional world and making an entertaining story from the tools they are given?
I got a cruise today, I flew it for all of an hour and then I put it back in my hanger and got my rifter out again to pirate hunt, why? because its more FUN, it fits in with the way I want to PLAY my character in the game, the reason why people like you dont enjoy the game jash, is you are too fixed on getting that "ub3r l33t sword of d3ath", if you just sat down and played the game and tried to have some fun instead of whiing because this or that was nerfed or how your life is over because you cant kill people in empire space without penalty anymore, if you remember the whole point of non empire space is meant to be thats the frontier, to make an analogy with your "old west", it didnt matter how "low sec" the town was, if it was not an owtlaw town, the law would roll in eventually and clear the bad guys out. The sentry guns at all empire gates are perhaps not a very god idea, but you were meant to be stuck out in 0.0 sec from the start, it was a combination of bugs, exploits and NPCs giving too high a security boost in the beginning that allowed you to operate in empire space in the first place, and yes CCP did advertise piracy as a profession but they did not(im pretty positive) intend for a bunch of you "gotta win win WIN!" players to try and find every tiny exploit the game has to try and kill people for no reason.
Please if all you are going to do is cry cry cry all the time just LEAVE, and before you start with cries of "CAREBEAR!" and "n00b! youve never been in combat, you dont know what you are on about!" I am all for PvP, it gives the game spice, I love it everytime a pirate tries(note the tries, never got anything out of me yet)to rob me.
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Shady trader, fence and gentleman extrordionaire.
Noir Enterprises Site |
Eychootah
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:16:00 -
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Pour out a little liquor.
I'd say that I'll miss you, but I'm leaving, too. Is your clan still playing on the UK CS ladder? We'd love to play a game someday. Hasta.
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Dr Gonzo
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:19:00 -
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Personally I am sad to see m0o leave the game. The day I heard that the GMs had to intervene with Battleships was the day I started building an alliance. I figured, why should the GMs have to deal with these guys, look at the amount of hatred shown toward m0o on these forums, it would be easy to get a large force together to fight them. Sadly a great deal of people on these forums fail to recognise this and direct their hatred with words, instead of actions.
Since that day I have fought with my allies a few times against m0o, every single time of which they have ran away. I do not blame them for this, anybody would do the same against a far larger and superior force. We will of course meet again before m0o finally call it a day, and I hope I will enjoy it as much as I have the previous times (not because I enjoy watching them run away, simply being in a fleet and warping toward an enemy known the Galaxy over gives you a quality adrenaline rush :)).
In a way I respect what m0o have achieved. They are the most well known corp in the game, and whatever their methods, that is quite an achievment. Their use of exploits didn't really bother me either, beat them with numbers was my approach. The killing of n00bs I did regard as a cowardly act and totally unnecessary, but that is only one mans opinion.
What upsets me the most is their reason for leaving the game. Although they may say "No Challenge left" or "we can't get any better ships than the ones we've got", the real reason is as transparant as their tactics (which are attack the weak and run from the strong by the way). They have lost their advantage on the Battlefield (coming only days after a patch that stops exploits I'm sure most of you will agree). Instead of making alliances and once again becoming a force to be reckoned with they quit, showing, like all bullies, they are cowards.
That is what upsets me, not the fact that they quit, but the fact that they were unworthy opponenets.
You may have "made your mark" m0o, but it was neither noble or courageous. Now excuse me while I make mine. |
Bentguru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:27:00 -
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Well i'll be sorry 2 see m0o go. I didn't agree a whole lot with their game play (indiscriminate podding eh.. piratism should always be in the game but for a profit a la the gang) but they did spice up the place and highlight a lot of things that need changing.
Also why do you say it's impossible to PK anybody? The Gang still chuggs along welle enough. Just stasis/scramble and order him 2 drop cargo or be blasted out of the sky. Sentry guns around jumpgates? pfft, easy 2 kill if you know how.
And for the record, not ONCE did i see m0o splatter the area with cans, and i have been running their blockades for a while now.
Like TAOSP we are sorry 2 see you go, you where the best at what you chose to do
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:31:00 -
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<< Has it occured to your simple inbred mind that there are games which are not all about winning? >>
Keep them coming. By all means feel free to take as many shots at me as you like.
All games are about winning, including solitaire. In every game, there is a winner and a loser. From hopscotch to chess. PvP may help set the stage, but who wins and who loses is part of the story. I play to win, regardless of the game.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:38:00 -
[80]
My god, lol, im sorry but I just had a vision of Jash sitting at his computer "I-play-game-to-win-all-else-is-no-good-yes(grunt)", has anyone seen the bassplayer of metallica recently? if you have, you know what Im thinking of, he is like a neanderthal, and the image fits so perfectly with what jash posts its amazing.
Oh and I know Ive degenerated into pointless flaming now, but what can I say, every word that he types offends the existance of the human race as an intelligent species.
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Shady trader, fence and gentleman extrordionaire.
Noir Enterprises Site |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:51:00 -
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Wow Rogue,
You have just entered the pantheon of epic denial.
If you think for a second that games are not about winning... then you have lived in a cave your entire life without any social contact.
Friendships, alliances all come from a common interest in this game. You may say it is indirect... but why even participate in a corporation at all if you do not share the same aspirations. Granted, there may be multiple definitions of "winning" in this game... however, you are either trying to gain personal power or take away the power of another individual.
Please name any sport in which winning is not the "ultimate" goal. Other aspirations are just the biproducts of human nature.
If there is no competition... is there really a reason to fly anything above a bantam? (except maybe if you want to be an ub3r l33t mining machine.
Do the npc pirates provide interaction?
Perhaps if the spotlight was shown on the shoddy programming of CCP (ie... the lag at jumpgate situation) then maybe the blaim would be put to rest on the shoulders it belongs to.
The truth of the matter is this...
if you die to a pirate... it is your OWN fault. What you may ask...?? How can this be??
Simple...
you were dumb enough to buy a game where pirating was supposed to be a main stay.
If I walk my skinny little white ass down into the ghetto in downtown Oakland at midnight... would you say I was an idiot... or blame the person that mugged (perhaps killed) me and took my things?
Flame away... the thread will be boned soon. I guess we aren't following the "rules".
Can we all join in yet? :)
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... Nerf Eve for the money"
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Sanru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:52:00 -
[82]
Except this is an RPG, there is no real competition for anything.
You could mine more than any single other player. The game would continue, you don't even get a prize.
You can kill more people than anyone else. The game continues, despite the disgruntled comments of the victims, nobody else cares. You don't even get a prize.
You can visit every system in the game. The game continues.
Well you get the point. It's an ongoing game, winning would imply there is a goal to achieve. There is no goal to Eve but to play, congrats, everytime you login to Eve you have won the game.
But Eve really isn't a competition. It's about taking part in a fictional world and interacting with it. Combat is just an activity in the game, it isn't the game itself.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:57:00 -
[83]
so sanu,
with that idea in mind...
is real life a place where we just "play" ... or is that different. Is there such a thing as 'winning' in real life?
Perhaps you need to revisit the definition of a game:
"A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules"
The rules in this game are clear.
Make as much money as you can, using any means neccessary.
So I don't see why people are giving pirates a hard time when CCP just rewrote the rules to meet their own financial needs.
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... Nerf Eve for the money"
Edited by: Mungis on 06/07/2003 02:05:07
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:02:00 -
[84]
<< My god, lol, im sorry but I just had a vision of Jash sitting at his computer "I-play-game-to-win-all-else-is-no-good-yes(grunt)", has anyone seen the bassplayer of metallica recently? if you have, you know what Im thinking of, he is like a neanderthal, and the image fits so perfectly with what jash posts its amazing.
Oh and I know Ive degenerated into pointless flaming now, but what can I say, every word that he types offends the existance of the human race as an intelligent species. >>
Just keep them coming, Rogue Noir. Yes, I have an extremely healthy competitive side. I played several different sports all my life. Tennis, Baseball, Basketball, Football (European, not American), Track & Field, Boxing and others. I've won games and I've lost games. And I played every single one of them to win.
But you'd never catch me jeering at the opposing team simply because they lost. It was a game. I played to win. Even if I outmatched my opponents, I played my hardest. And if it was a blowout, so be it. I, nor none of my teammates ever pulled our punches. If you can't handle competitiveness, why play a game that allows you to compete? It's why I play games like Rise of Nations and Medieval: Total War. Instead of The Sims.
Yes, sorry. I don't play FPS online. CS and their ilk don't grace my desktop.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:04:00 -
[85]
Thank you sanru, some sanity at last, to you mungis; ofc one of the points of the gamne is to become rich, but if your only aim in eve is to get lots of money, what happens when you do that? I mean with a small dedicated corp you can have battleships inside 2 months, so what then? you are rich, you have good ships, what do you do? Thats right you PLAY THE GAME, not play to win, simply play because the experience is fun. I suck at golf, I almost never win a game, so if I go bt your rules, I should never play? No, I continue to play because the experience itself is enjoyable, that is what CCP have aimed for with this game, something that cannot be won or beaten or finished, it may end one day for whatever reason, but nobody will have won it when it does end.
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Shady trader, fence and gentleman extrordionaire.
Noir Enterprises Site |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:09:00 -
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<< Except this is an RPG, there is no real competition for anything. >>
There is competition for everything. Corporations compete to become the first to make XXX. Pirates compete to become the most infamous. Manufacturers compete to sell the most on the market. Traders compete with each other for the biggest share of the demand.
m0o won the competition for the spotlight and was subsequently punished for it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:13:00 -
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I love it when other people prove my point. Thank you rogue, I couldn't have said it better.
"What else is there to do after you and your dedicated corp members get battleships."
Exactly right!!! What else... my manual says I can build titans and stations... odd, don't see those for some reason.
So I guess that means now that I am powerful (ie, your battleship example) I go around and take away other people's power.
Even the l33t money machine TTI has hinted at that exact thing.
Lol... now this is where it gets good.
I'm going to QUOTE THE BLOODY EVE BOX!!!!
"PlAYER-DRIVEN ECONOMY
Form a cartel of RUTHLESS (moo?) compatriots and CONTROL THE SPACEWAYS. Buy, sell, and barter to amass great wealth... or do it the easy way with a HOSTILE TAKEOVER."
Now, let me do another quote from the box...
"Take on the world..."
The real problem is... MOO did that... their fatal flaw, they did it way to well.
Now... as I pound the preverbial nail in your coffin... I end with the last quote of the day.
"Conceive a new life without BOUNDARIES, where MURDER, PLUNDER, BETRAYAL, and DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR will lead you to BOUNDLESS GLORY or to the brink of ruin."
God bless MOO corp
amen
"come on come on... listen to the money talk"
"come on come on... Nerf Eve for the money"
Edited by: Mungis on 06/07/2003 02:17:10
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:21:00 -
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Mungis, you forgot:
CHOOSE A PROFESSION
Dauntless fleet commander, or the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy
DOMINATE THE SPACEWAYS
Build a bigger missile. Size does matter.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:23:00 -
[89]
well crap,
thanks for pointing out my error...
i think i also forgot this one:
"Conspire with thousands (only took about 20) of others to bring the galaxy to its knees, or go it alone and share the glory with no one."
"come on come on...listen to the ... " alright, u got the point
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Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:31:00 -
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It appears you stopped reading what I wrote after the quote you made, there are other things to do than just build the biggest things you know, your imagination is pbviously too limited to comprehend that however, I am tired and if you wish we can continue this on the morrow but im off to bed, no doubt that you will take the oppertunity in my absence to post yet another out of context quote of three, nevermind, one day you will all have gone, eve will be a great game when the likes of you finally get bored and quit because you dont have one single ounce of origionality in your bodies. Goodnight
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Shady trader, fence and gentleman extrordionaire.
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Auction Man
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:35:00 -
[91]
We all more or less agree that the game was not finished at launch.
Well it is now closer to what it should have been in the first place, IMO.
People abused an "Advanced Beta". They had fun doing it. The irony is that by pushing it too much THEY made the game become too inclement for PKs. Killed their cash cow, (isn't that the english expression?).
And now its not fun for them anymore. Too bad. Now we live in a police state and they are going away after doing the damage...
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:40:00 -
[92]
other things rogue?
Refer to previous quotes from the Eve game box.
I apologize... I should have known I was not being "original" by suggesting we all do something besides making love to copious asteroids with our battery powered CU vapors.
There is no need to continue a flame against you... your posts speak for you.
Edited by: Mungis on 06/07/2003 02:41:31
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Auction Man
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:44:00 -
[93]
Cu Vapors? Where do you get those?
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Barack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:02:00 -
[94]
Actually I find it kinda funny that you cancelled now. You have until early September until your sub runs out right.
So cancelling now sends what message ?
Maybe they will just laugh and say well at least we got 6 months of sub's outa him :)
I learned my leason in JumpGate when I did a 1 year sub, ouch they saw me coming. I only ever do 1 month at a time now. Because when they pulled the Corp Office right out from under my feet because of a billing bug and tell me that they have looked at my logs and everything is fine. Yet they can't tell me why that happened. Yes I'm asking for that info now, but three days into this and thats what I get.
So sub runs out tomorrow, sub is canceled, I will lose no more money.
Edited by: Barack on 06/07/2003 03:03:13
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:04:00 -
[95]
<< It appears you stopped reading what I wrote after the quote you made, there are other things to do than just build the biggest things you know, your imagination is pbviously too limited to comprehend that however, I am tired and if you wish we can continue this on the morrow but im off to bed, no doubt that you will take the oppertunity in my absence to post yet another out of context quote of three, nevermind, one day you will all have gone, eve will be a great game when the likes of you finally get bored and quit because you dont have one single ounce of origionality in your bodies. Goodnight >>
No, I read your posts from start to finish. You are of the opinion that a game is about having fun, meeting new people and working together towards a common goal. So is my opinion.
The goal is to win. I meet other people to help me win. We have fun when we win or lose. Remove the competition and we don't have fun anymore. An NPC pirate is no competition. They have no brain to outsmart. They don't grow more powerful. They don't learn and adapt to their environment. They are not fun.
PvP is fun and though I may cross swords with people in character, I don't think them bad people if they beat me. I don't call them children, inbred or any of the other slanders you've hurled because they outwitted me. I take it on the chin, figure out what I did wrong and come back for more. To win next time. Because it's the nature of competition to improve yourself so that you win. m0o won a lot. Problem is instead of attempting to compete against them, people had the competition pulled. Along with the fun.
The fights weren't fair? So what? What stopped you from making the next fight unfair for them? You didn't want to lose some ships.
They won't hold still for you to kill? So what? They're not NPCs who will sit stupidly in front of the same guns that beat them 100 times before. It's your job to make it so they couldn't run.
No, people pulled the competition out of the game through overexaggerations of the situation. And don't blame Lord Zap and others for quitting in disgust. I blame CCP for listening to the loudest minority. A bunch of people who probably never encountered m0o or Space Invaders or Red Corsairs. Least I ran into all 3, got away clean and actually had a little fun while doing so.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
nails
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:23:00 -
[96]
I for one am sad to see Zap and j0rt go. There is a basic line in the game, and pirates HAVE to make money. If they can't make money they can't advance in the game and loom a challenge for everyone. I believe CCP sending in those battleships early in the game to try and break up the mara blockade was a very good way to rollplay a realistic counter.
So many things were made anti pirates in the last few weeks that the option of being a pirate has become major suck. I know that even negative rating pirates can farm high level NPC cruisers for a couple days if they need lots of isk. Of course they also become easy targets if another player warps into a belt with an already warp jammed and stasised PKer. So that is not a very safe way to make money. If pirates can not interfear with trade routes (which are all located in empire space) they have no real way to make profit. Sentury turrets were there to keep PKers away from the Capitol areas where brand new players to the game lurk.
Now that pirates can not even camp low security level empire gates anymore. Makes their profit margin drop to the floor. It is no longer realistic for them to build up the money to buy battleships and other weapons needed to keep a deadly force in the game.
All those people that were not careful and were destroyed or podded in mara hate life that day, but they don't realize that later once they have built up and have almost everything the game has to offer, there will be nobody to fight anyway.
This game must not be allowed to turn into another Ultima Online where the people that don't want to pvp can stay in one universe, and the pk'er world stays in another. This game was not built on these principals.
Pirates must make good profit, and Corps must make powerful fleets. If there is a problem in the game CCP needs to stay out of it and let the other players fix the problem.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:31:00 -
[97]
mungus, m0o didn't bring the galaxy to it's knees.
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SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:36:00 -
[98]
I personnelly feel sorry for all those player leaving this game. Since last 2 weeks ive seens considerable low player on EVE servers. Now even more. This is not good for such a Wonder ful and Massive game. Amy
"We'll show them what FIREPOWER is all about" |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:56:00 -
[99]
"All games are about winning, including solitaire. In every game, there is a winner and a loser."
Trick is, the solitaire and pretty much all other games have rules which clearly define the winning conditions. So you can tell exactly when and why you are the winner in a chess match, tennis match or your solitaire game.
With Eve (and other games of this type) you don't have those clear rules -- and there's no rankings, and no real way to tell how well you're doing when compared to the competition. Heck, there's not even a rule that says you are competing, or that this competiton is about who gets the most of the biggest toys. For all we know, it can as well be about who can make the most loops in their ship around moon X until August 22nd, 2004.
Until you can have those conditions written down for everyone to see and accept, any 'winner' or 'loser' in this game will only be the winner or the loser in their own eyes and due to self-imposed secondary rules. Which of course can be good enough, but that's another story..
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:01:00 -
[100]
yo SOHAIL, I still got your corpse lol.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:02:00 -
[101]
er ah
To all of you guys leaving
Feel free to transfer any ISK you have to my account I will gladly put it to good use
Thankyou :)
No i am not jokin
Gimme the cash now :)
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:15:00 -
[102]
But Zap, you can't go.. then who will fluffy bunnies hate?
And j0rt.. NO... dang it.. you m0o guys are fun to talk to.. next you will tell me that Ywev is leaving too.. then J4 will be BOOOORING..
Anyway, happy trails, m0o.. hope you find a better game than what they are turning EVE into.
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SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:36:00 -
[103]
Nails when i got killed lol and do i know u?
"We'll show them what FIREPOWER is all about" |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:37:00 -
[104]
<< Trick is, the solitaire and pretty much all other games have rules which clearly define the winning conditions. So you can tell exactly when and why you are the winner in a chess match, tennis match or your solitaire game.
With Eve (and other games of this type) you don't have those clear rules -- and there's no rankings, and no real way to tell how well you're doing when compared to the competition. Heck, there's not even a rule that says you are competing, or that this competiton is about who gets the most of the biggest toys. For all we know, it can as well be about who can make the most loops in their ship around moon X until August 22nd, 2004.
Until you can have those conditions written down for everyone to see and accept, any 'winner' or 'loser' in this game will only be the winner or the loser in their own eyes and due to self-imposed secondary rules. Which of course can be good enough, but that's another story.. >>
Except in 1 area: PvP. I live, you die? I win, you lose. What happens in the next battle is the next game. Piracy has the appeal of not having to create an excuse for the fight.
There's no "TTI is manufacturing more ships than we are! To arms!". Who cares? We're both making isk hand over foot. No "These rocks are mine!". Sorry, I'd rather eat a mining laser than use it. Fighting over who gets to use a mining laser on a rock and I'd rather have the rock as dessert. Piracy is very simple: They want your isk/cargo and you don't want to give it to them. Let the fight begin. Eventually you don't even have to try and take the isk from people. They'll hate you enough to find you to kill you.
For pirates, winning is survival and noteriety. CCP took away their reason to fight. They're not interested in manufacturing. They're not interested in mining. They're not interested in trading. They're interested in fighting real human opponents. The isk they make while doing it let's them continue the fight. The longer they survive fighting, they feel they're winning. And CCP's recent changes took all that away. I guess they won since CCP ended the game for them. What's there to do after you win? Keep playing for the sake of giving CCP more money?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bentguru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:48:00 -
[105]
hehe, your right. COnverstaion in systems owned by the Cows is utterly hilarious. It's so funny to see trapped ppl come 2 terms with being trapped
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.07.06 05:03:00 -
[106]
Sorry, but your own obnoxious actions have come to bite you.
What it really comes down to is that this game is about consequences. If you are a miner travelling to lawless space, there are consequences in the form of vulnerability to pirate attack.
But if you choose to play as a PIRATE, there are consequences as well. You can't expect to randomly murder civilians and have the cops just ignore you and stations welcome you with open arms.
All you griefer-pirates who think this is how things should be are retarded. No, being a pirate doesnt mean you get to do whatever the hell you want with no consequences. If you cant grow up and accept that, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
For every pirate like you that leaves, another will take your place. Corporations of 'real' pirates like The Gang who are interested more than being entertained by ****ing random people off. The game is only getting more difficult for griefers, which is a good thing IMO.
Edited by: Sadistic Savior on 06/07/2003 05:04:04
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UnBorn Dead
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Posted - 2003.07.06 05:22:00 -
[107]
good go cya don't let the door hit you in the azz
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.07.06 06:57:00 -
[108]
Oh, I am not leaving. I am starting the next terror in high sec space.. :) Ya will be seeing our indies soon in High sec space. With good ratings come to spread terror.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:01:00 -
[109]
"good go cya don't let the door hit you in the azz"
its anoying when muppets post that. How many people will you say that to before you going "Hey CCP... we need more subscribers its getting lonley out here in Ammold - belt 3 mining veldspar"
its very narrow minded.
Sorry to see you go zap, one of the first people i fired on in retail and i wanted to be the one to get your bounty. ahh shame...
Edited by: Tristan on 06/07/2003 07:01:23
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HP Lovecraft
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:02:00 -
[110]
I-I-I-think i'm gonna cry, NOT. Don't let the space station door hit you on the way out.
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:31:00 -
[111]
"its anoying when muppets post that. How many people will you say that to before you going "Hey CCP... we need more subscribers its getting lonley out here in Ammold - belt 3 mining veldspar""
We dont need subscribers who think they have the right to do whatever the hell they want in the game. Gimme a break...there has to be SOME rules.
No, if you are a pirate you will not be ignored by the police. Thats just common sense.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:35:00 -
[112]
Isn't this thread closed yet?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:49:00 -
[113]
well well isn't it interesting, anyone else makes a cry baby whine "i'm leaving" post, the response is usually "so why post about it in the forums", but because it's the infamous Lord Zap, he get's a very large response on the forums even in quitting.
I'm saying my piece and then i'm not looking at this thread again. Forget Zap, there are plenty of people that will probably step into his shoes
Take a look at Sectec, if Moo want a lesson on how to role play as a pirate in-game, i don't hear any "wah wah i'm leaving posts" from Sec
Now that combat is more balanced, most of what people screamed as "nerf" were actually CCP fixing weapons and damage that was not working correctly before, so they are bug fixes.
Read my lips: You were never supposed to get one shot kills, you were never supposed to dish out massive damage from great distance
So now the game is more balanced and player on player combat has become a little more challenging, Lord Zap and company are heading for the exit. I guess because they won't find it so easy to pod kill n00bs anymore
Pirating is fair game, but obviously you can't expect to gate camp and pod kill all day, mostly people in weaker ships, and clueless noobs that wonder into your path- IN EMPIRE SPACE, without some sort of payback from the security forces. I heard you also pod killed a shuttle about a week ago. What is the point of that excatly?
The new people coming into the game cannot read your minds, if you are camping a gate, you remain silent, then you pod kill them, and when they message afterwards, you'll say "you didn't pay the toll, so i killed you" but you never told them in the first place !!
Pirates can make money in the game, but i know you sure as hell get none or very little from podding newbie and rookie ships
Lord Zap show you are a man and not a mouse by staying in the game, and adapting to a new playing style 'post-patch'
You all know that CCP will be making changes, and i'm sick of hearing you guys ***** and moan after every patch. Eve is an evolving game, and Eve is an evolving universe, and i welcome changes.
Those of us that are able to adapt and move with the patches will stay. Those that are scared of change would probably be better suited to a single player game that is released as a 'finished' product and doesn't get any patches
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:53:00 -
[114]
bah stop that
Edited by: syndic4te on 06/07/2003 08:00:42
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 08:18:00 -
[115]
<< Take a look at Sectec, if Moo want a lesson on how to role play as a pirate in-game, i don't hear any "wah wah i'm leaving posts" from Sec >>
Let's do take a look at Setec:
<< The turrets at 0.1-0.3 jumpgates are extremely imbalancing--they take the risk out of very profitable trading. I would like to see them removed to keep empire space lively, but putting the demand for the most profitable trade goods in the far reaches of space would be an acceptable solution as well. >>
You can find this written HERE and in a number of other threads.
<< Now that combat is more balanced, most of what people screamed as "nerf" were actually CCP fixing weapons and damage that was not working correctly before, so they are bug fixes.
Read my lips: You were never supposed to get one shot kills, you were never supposed to dish out massive damage from great distance
So now the game is more balanced and player on player combat has become a little more challenging, Lord Zap and company are heading for the exit. I guess because they won't find it so easy to pod kill n00bs anymore >>
Nobody cares about the ammo/weapon changes. Oh, the ammo cuts my range! Big deal. For projectiles use Photon for long range guns and titanium sabot (if you have mediocre sharpshooter skill) for short range. If you've got better than mediocre sharpshooter (as I'll bet members of m0o have), you can still you emp/antimatter with neglible impact if any...depending on kit.
That took all of a day for people on the newbie corp channel to figure out.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 08:21:04
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 08:21:49
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.06 08:58:00 -
[116]
Is this insulting thread still open? bejezus put it this Cow out of it's misery.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Mandos
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Posted - 2003.07.06 09:06:00 -
[117]
Keep it nice!
*click*
-- Mandos
Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter
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