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Auction Man
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:35:00 -
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We all more or less agree that the game was not finished at launch.
Well it is now closer to what it should have been in the first place, IMO.
People abused an "Advanced Beta". They had fun doing it. The irony is that by pushing it too much THEY made the game become too inclement for PKs. Killed their cash cow, (isn't that the english expression?).
And now its not fun for them anymore. Too bad. Now we live in a police state and they are going away after doing the damage...
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:40:00 -
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other things rogue?
Refer to previous quotes from the Eve game box.
I apologize... I should have known I was not being "original" by suggesting we all do something besides making love to copious asteroids with our battery powered CU vapors.
There is no need to continue a flame against you... your posts speak for you.
Edited by: Mungis on 06/07/2003 02:41:31
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Auction Man
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Posted - 2003.07.06 02:44:00 -
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Cu Vapors? Where do you get those?
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Barack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:02:00 -
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Actually I find it kinda funny that you cancelled now. You have until early September until your sub runs out right.
So cancelling now sends what message ?
Maybe they will just laugh and say well at least we got 6 months of sub's outa him :)
I learned my leason in JumpGate when I did a 1 year sub, ouch they saw me coming. I only ever do 1 month at a time now. Because when they pulled the Corp Office right out from under my feet because of a billing bug and tell me that they have looked at my logs and everything is fine. Yet they can't tell me why that happened. Yes I'm asking for that info now, but three days into this and thats what I get.
So sub runs out tomorrow, sub is canceled, I will lose no more money.
Edited by: Barack on 06/07/2003 03:03:13
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:04:00 -
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<< It appears you stopped reading what I wrote after the quote you made, there are other things to do than just build the biggest things you know, your imagination is pbviously too limited to comprehend that however, I am tired and if you wish we can continue this on the morrow but im off to bed, no doubt that you will take the oppertunity in my absence to post yet another out of context quote of three, nevermind, one day you will all have gone, eve will be a great game when the likes of you finally get bored and quit because you dont have one single ounce of origionality in your bodies. Goodnight >>
No, I read your posts from start to finish. You are of the opinion that a game is about having fun, meeting new people and working together towards a common goal. So is my opinion.
The goal is to win. I meet other people to help me win. We have fun when we win or lose. Remove the competition and we don't have fun anymore. An NPC pirate is no competition. They have no brain to outsmart. They don't grow more powerful. They don't learn and adapt to their environment. They are not fun.
PvP is fun and though I may cross swords with people in character, I don't think them bad people if they beat me. I don't call them children, inbred or any of the other slanders you've hurled because they outwitted me. I take it on the chin, figure out what I did wrong and come back for more. To win next time. Because it's the nature of competition to improve yourself so that you win. m0o won a lot. Problem is instead of attempting to compete against them, people had the competition pulled. Along with the fun.
The fights weren't fair? So what? What stopped you from making the next fight unfair for them? You didn't want to lose some ships.
They won't hold still for you to kill? So what? They're not NPCs who will sit stupidly in front of the same guns that beat them 100 times before. It's your job to make it so they couldn't run.
No, people pulled the competition out of the game through overexaggerations of the situation. And don't blame Lord Zap and others for quitting in disgust. I blame CCP for listening to the loudest minority. A bunch of people who probably never encountered m0o or Space Invaders or Red Corsairs. Least I ran into all 3, got away clean and actually had a little fun while doing so.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
nails
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:23:00 -
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I for one am sad to see Zap and j0rt go. There is a basic line in the game, and pirates HAVE to make money. If they can't make money they can't advance in the game and loom a challenge for everyone. I believe CCP sending in those battleships early in the game to try and break up the mara blockade was a very good way to rollplay a realistic counter.
So many things were made anti pirates in the last few weeks that the option of being a pirate has become major suck. I know that even negative rating pirates can farm high level NPC cruisers for a couple days if they need lots of isk. Of course they also become easy targets if another player warps into a belt with an already warp jammed and stasised PKer. So that is not a very safe way to make money. If pirates can not interfear with trade routes (which are all located in empire space) they have no real way to make profit. Sentury turrets were there to keep PKers away from the Capitol areas where brand new players to the game lurk.
Now that pirates can not even camp low security level empire gates anymore. Makes their profit margin drop to the floor. It is no longer realistic for them to build up the money to buy battleships and other weapons needed to keep a deadly force in the game.
All those people that were not careful and were destroyed or podded in mara hate life that day, but they don't realize that later once they have built up and have almost everything the game has to offer, there will be nobody to fight anyway.
This game must not be allowed to turn into another Ultima Online where the people that don't want to pvp can stay in one universe, and the pk'er world stays in another. This game was not built on these principals.
Pirates must make good profit, and Corps must make powerful fleets. If there is a problem in the game CCP needs to stay out of it and let the other players fix the problem.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:31:00 -
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mungus, m0o didn't bring the galaxy to it's knees.
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SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:36:00 -
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I personnelly feel sorry for all those player leaving this game. Since last 2 weeks ive seens considerable low player on EVE servers. Now even more. This is not good for such a Wonder ful and Massive game. Amy
"We'll show them what FIREPOWER is all about" |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:56:00 -
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"All games are about winning, including solitaire. In every game, there is a winner and a loser."
Trick is, the solitaire and pretty much all other games have rules which clearly define the winning conditions. So you can tell exactly when and why you are the winner in a chess match, tennis match or your solitaire game.
With Eve (and other games of this type) you don't have those clear rules -- and there's no rankings, and no real way to tell how well you're doing when compared to the competition. Heck, there's not even a rule that says you are competing, or that this competiton is about who gets the most of the biggest toys. For all we know, it can as well be about who can make the most loops in their ship around moon X until August 22nd, 2004.
Until you can have those conditions written down for everyone to see and accept, any 'winner' or 'loser' in this game will only be the winner or the loser in their own eyes and due to self-imposed secondary rules. Which of course can be good enough, but that's another story..
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:01:00 -
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yo SOHAIL, I still got your corpse lol.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:02:00 -
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er ah
To all of you guys leaving
Feel free to transfer any ISK you have to my account I will gladly put it to good use
Thankyou :)
No i am not jokin
Gimme the cash now :)
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Nyrram
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:15:00 -
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But Zap, you can't go.. then who will fluffy bunnies hate?
And j0rt.. NO... dang it.. you m0o guys are fun to talk to.. next you will tell me that Ywev is leaving too.. then J4 will be BOOOORING..
Anyway, happy trails, m0o.. hope you find a better game than what they are turning EVE into.
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Nyrram |
SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:36:00 -
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Nails when i got killed lol and do i know u?
"We'll show them what FIREPOWER is all about" |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:37:00 -
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<< Trick is, the solitaire and pretty much all other games have rules which clearly define the winning conditions. So you can tell exactly when and why you are the winner in a chess match, tennis match or your solitaire game.
With Eve (and other games of this type) you don't have those clear rules -- and there's no rankings, and no real way to tell how well you're doing when compared to the competition. Heck, there's not even a rule that says you are competing, or that this competiton is about who gets the most of the biggest toys. For all we know, it can as well be about who can make the most loops in their ship around moon X until August 22nd, 2004.
Until you can have those conditions written down for everyone to see and accept, any 'winner' or 'loser' in this game will only be the winner or the loser in their own eyes and due to self-imposed secondary rules. Which of course can be good enough, but that's another story.. >>
Except in 1 area: PvP. I live, you die? I win, you lose. What happens in the next battle is the next game. Piracy has the appeal of not having to create an excuse for the fight.
There's no "TTI is manufacturing more ships than we are! To arms!". Who cares? We're both making isk hand over foot. No "These rocks are mine!". Sorry, I'd rather eat a mining laser than use it. Fighting over who gets to use a mining laser on a rock and I'd rather have the rock as dessert. Piracy is very simple: They want your isk/cargo and you don't want to give it to them. Let the fight begin. Eventually you don't even have to try and take the isk from people. They'll hate you enough to find you to kill you.
For pirates, winning is survival and noteriety. CCP took away their reason to fight. They're not interested in manufacturing. They're not interested in mining. They're not interested in trading. They're interested in fighting real human opponents. The isk they make while doing it let's them continue the fight. The longer they survive fighting, they feel they're winning. And CCP's recent changes took all that away. I guess they won since CCP ended the game for them. What's there to do after you win? Keep playing for the sake of giving CCP more money?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bentguru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:48:00 -
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hehe, your right. COnverstaion in systems owned by the Cows is utterly hilarious. It's so funny to see trapped ppl come 2 terms with being trapped
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.07.06 05:03:00 -
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Sorry, but your own obnoxious actions have come to bite you.
What it really comes down to is that this game is about consequences. If you are a miner travelling to lawless space, there are consequences in the form of vulnerability to pirate attack.
But if you choose to play as a PIRATE, there are consequences as well. You can't expect to randomly murder civilians and have the cops just ignore you and stations welcome you with open arms.
All you griefer-pirates who think this is how things should be are retarded. No, being a pirate doesnt mean you get to do whatever the hell you want with no consequences. If you cant grow up and accept that, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
For every pirate like you that leaves, another will take your place. Corporations of 'real' pirates like The Gang who are interested more than being entertained by ****ing random people off. The game is only getting more difficult for griefers, which is a good thing IMO.
Edited by: Sadistic Savior on 06/07/2003 05:04:04
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UnBorn Dead
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Posted - 2003.07.06 05:22:00 -
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good go cya don't let the door hit you in the azz
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.07.06 06:57:00 -
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Oh, I am not leaving. I am starting the next terror in high sec space.. :) Ya will be seeing our indies soon in High sec space. With good ratings come to spread terror.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:01:00 -
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"good go cya don't let the door hit you in the azz"
its anoying when muppets post that. How many people will you say that to before you going "Hey CCP... we need more subscribers its getting lonley out here in Ammold - belt 3 mining veldspar"
its very narrow minded.
Sorry to see you go zap, one of the first people i fired on in retail and i wanted to be the one to get your bounty. ahh shame...
Edited by: Tristan on 06/07/2003 07:01:23
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HP Lovecraft
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:02:00 -
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I-I-I-think i'm gonna cry, NOT. Don't let the space station door hit you on the way out.
Actually I have the heart of an Exploiter and a PKer---I keep them on my desk in a jar. |
Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:31:00 -
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"its anoying when muppets post that. How many people will you say that to before you going "Hey CCP... we need more subscribers its getting lonley out here in Ammold - belt 3 mining veldspar""
We dont need subscribers who think they have the right to do whatever the hell they want in the game. Gimme a break...there has to be SOME rules.
No, if you are a pirate you will not be ignored by the police. Thats just common sense.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:35:00 -
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Isn't this thread closed yet?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:49:00 -
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well well isn't it interesting, anyone else makes a cry baby whine "i'm leaving" post, the response is usually "so why post about it in the forums", but because it's the infamous Lord Zap, he get's a very large response on the forums even in quitting.
I'm saying my piece and then i'm not looking at this thread again. Forget Zap, there are plenty of people that will probably step into his shoes
Take a look at Sectec, if Moo want a lesson on how to role play as a pirate in-game, i don't hear any "wah wah i'm leaving posts" from Sec
Now that combat is more balanced, most of what people screamed as "nerf" were actually CCP fixing weapons and damage that was not working correctly before, so they are bug fixes.
Read my lips: You were never supposed to get one shot kills, you were never supposed to dish out massive damage from great distance
So now the game is more balanced and player on player combat has become a little more challenging, Lord Zap and company are heading for the exit. I guess because they won't find it so easy to pod kill n00bs anymore
Pirating is fair game, but obviously you can't expect to gate camp and pod kill all day, mostly people in weaker ships, and clueless noobs that wonder into your path- IN EMPIRE SPACE, without some sort of payback from the security forces. I heard you also pod killed a shuttle about a week ago. What is the point of that excatly?
The new people coming into the game cannot read your minds, if you are camping a gate, you remain silent, then you pod kill them, and when they message afterwards, you'll say "you didn't pay the toll, so i killed you" but you never told them in the first place !!
Pirates can make money in the game, but i know you sure as hell get none or very little from podding newbie and rookie ships
Lord Zap show you are a man and not a mouse by staying in the game, and adapting to a new playing style 'post-patch'
You all know that CCP will be making changes, and i'm sick of hearing you guys ***** and moan after every patch. Eve is an evolving game, and Eve is an evolving universe, and i welcome changes.
Those of us that are able to adapt and move with the patches will stay. Those that are scared of change would probably be better suited to a single player game that is released as a 'finished' product and doesn't get any patches
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.07.06 07:53:00 -
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bah stop that
Edited by: syndic4te on 06/07/2003 08:00:42
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 08:18:00 -
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<< Take a look at Sectec, if Moo want a lesson on how to role play as a pirate in-game, i don't hear any "wah wah i'm leaving posts" from Sec >>
Let's do take a look at Setec:
<< The turrets at 0.1-0.3 jumpgates are extremely imbalancing--they take the risk out of very profitable trading. I would like to see them removed to keep empire space lively, but putting the demand for the most profitable trade goods in the far reaches of space would be an acceptable solution as well. >>
You can find this written HERE and in a number of other threads.
<< Now that combat is more balanced, most of what people screamed as "nerf" were actually CCP fixing weapons and damage that was not working correctly before, so they are bug fixes.
Read my lips: You were never supposed to get one shot kills, you were never supposed to dish out massive damage from great distance
So now the game is more balanced and player on player combat has become a little more challenging, Lord Zap and company are heading for the exit. I guess because they won't find it so easy to pod kill n00bs anymore >>
Nobody cares about the ammo/weapon changes. Oh, the ammo cuts my range! Big deal. For projectiles use Photon for long range guns and titanium sabot (if you have mediocre sharpshooter skill) for short range. If you've got better than mediocre sharpshooter (as I'll bet members of m0o have), you can still you emp/antimatter with neglible impact if any...depending on kit.
That took all of a day for people on the newbie corp channel to figure out.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 08:21:04
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 08:21:49
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.06 08:58:00 -
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Is this insulting thread still open? bejezus put it this Cow out of it's misery.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Mandos
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Posted - 2003.07.06 09:06:00 -
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Keep it nice!
*click*
-- Mandos
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