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The Logi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:31:00 -
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I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.
So do you guys like having alerts every time an enemy supercap pilot comes on? Do you like alerts going out to your enemies every time one of your super cap pilots comes online? Although it doesn't adversely affect me, I don't approve of the free intel. It's rather immersion breaking for me.
It would be a simple fix, you don't get alerts from your watchlist unless you are on each other's watchlists. No mutual watch list no alert. |
flakeys
Angels of Anarchy
Interstellar Confederation
421
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:35:00 -
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Most people don't even know what it will bring and 90% on the forums about it is speculation / bad informing so .... best wait till it actually is released and then see ''how we feel about it'' ?
There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
96
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:35:00 -
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I wouldn't go so far as saying it's not being used as intended, since when you add a contact you have the option to set them as -10. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
400
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:38:00 -
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The Logi wrote:I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.
I do.
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So do you guys like having alerts every time an enemy supercap pilot comes on? Do you like alerts going out to your enemies every time one of your super cap pilots comes online? Although it doesn't adversely affect me, I don't approve of the free intel. It's rather immersion breaking for me.
It would be a simple fix, you don't get alerts from your watchlist unless you are on each other's watchlists. No mutual watch list no alert.
"I got killed because someone added me to their watchlist and i dont like it"
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
The Paganism Alliance
104
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:42:00 -
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I support the idea of showing up on a mutual watchlist only. I have to admit, I like being able to check if Pirate McSuchandsuch is online at this very time, but it would benefit emergent gameplay if I didn't know, and had to scout the system beforehand to be sure. It's kind of dumb I can see Pirate McSuchandsuch just logged on, even if he's half a universe away. I should be getting that intel through gameplay, not through automated notifications. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
414
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:42:00 -
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I only use it to keep track of friends. |
The Logi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:43:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:The Logi wrote:I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.
I do. Quote:
So do you guys like having alerts every time an enemy supercap pilot comes on? Do you like alerts going out to your enemies every time one of your super cap pilots comes online? Although it doesn't adversely affect me, I don't approve of the free intel. It's rather immersion breaking for me.
It would be a simple fix, you don't get alerts from your watchlist unless you are on each other's watchlists. No mutual watch list no alert.
"I got killed because someone added me to their watchlist and i dont like it"
"I don't like to read, or I am just to stupid to know how. You pick." I can quote you too.
The Logi wrote: Although it doesn't adversely affect me
I am a subcap pilot, and pretty certain I am not on very many watch lists. I have plenty of enemy capital pilots on my watch list, so I definitely make use of the WL. Just because I use it, doesn't mean I am too stupid or too selfish to realize it's wrong.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1880
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:45:00 -
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The watch list should be two ways. That is, if someone puts you on a watch list, you should know who did it so you know who is watching you.
Such a "Facebook-like" feature. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
545
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:48:00 -
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It's useful in PvP, especially for monitoring war decs or, as stated above, keeping tabs on enemy Cap/Super Cap pilots and FCs. It's mostly a pvp assistance feature in my opinion, as you keep tabs on people wanting to shove a hybrid charge through your pod and either avoid them or gank them.
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:49:00 -
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Just another tool in the sandbox.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Darod Zyree
Zyree Holding
45
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:55:00 -
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Hostiles on watchlist can go, but then change locator agents to be able to locate multiple characters at the same time without having to wait, no timeout what so ever. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
400
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:59:00 -
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The Logi wrote:
"I don't like to read, or I am just to stupid to know how. You pick." I can quote you too.
No, I read your post and I understood your point. You're just posting under an alt because you know that if you post under your main someone will find your loss that was probably caused by this very tactic.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Darod Zyree
Zyree Holding
45
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:01:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The watch list should be two ways. That is, if someone puts you on a watch list, you should know who did it so you know who is watching you.
Such a "Facebook-like" feature.
privacy issues  |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
121
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:31:00 -
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I use the watch list to make sure allies gets reps...  |
Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The watch list should be two ways. That is, if someone puts you on a watch list, you should know who did it so you know who is watching you.
Such a "Facebook-like" feature.
A compramise, i could agree wit this. But this does need to be addressed.
It would be much more interesting if i didnt know when ganking fleet commanders were on in my system area. ;)
I am a giant thruster... nothing else is required. I have no great purpose, all that's known i grow tired, destination unknown as i travel past the stars. Look at me going fast, as i fight forming scars, frying straight too the sun without guidance or crew. Ill never stop from going, Thrusting on.... thrusting though. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
220
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:43:00 -
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I have only "good" (profitable) contacts in my list. I guess I can call them "my EVE friends" though many of them don't have the same feelings towards me... |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1884
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:54:00 -
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It should only show someone when they log in if you are mutual friends. This game has far too many effort free ways to gather critical intel. Just like local.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Serptimis
Reds in Local
45
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:55:00 -
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but who watches the watchers? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1906
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:02:00 -
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
In this case, the 'many' are the high sec casuals that do use the watch list for new friends and occasionally the local asshat.
At the end of the day this is a social game and needs the tools to make it stay one. Like local, the watch list will stay until an optimized solution comes up. And to be honest, I don't see this as a priority for CCP.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
601
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:16:00 -
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While it is a bit of 'magic' there is an alternative, you stay logged on AFK to mess with their tracking. It is a game mechanic, it needs to stay because there needs to be something out there to help move the game forward. Without the mechanic of some kind you can run in to a case of blindly waiting for someone to never arrive. While technically you get some 'magic' out of it, it is not like 'disappearing' when you are not logged in is any less 'magical', but a required mechanic.
November 6th, 2012 "With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now." --á CCP Ytterbium from:-áhttp://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530 |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1000
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:26:00 -
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The Logi wrote:I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.
So do you guys like having alerts every time an enemy supercap pilot comes on? Do you like alerts going out to your enemies every time one of your super cap pilots comes online? Although it doesn't adversely affect me, I don't approve of the free intel. It's rather immersion breaking for me.
It would be a simple fix, you don't get alerts from your watchlist unless you are on each other's watchlists. No mutual watch list no alert.
It's a contacts list, not a friends list. Therefore, using it to see when enemies are online is working as intended.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5527
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:04:00 -
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Don't know about you guys, but my contact list is empty. I don't even have supercap pilots on it.
~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1008
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:13:00 -
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The Logi wrote:I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.
Contrary to popular belief, some people in EVE actually do have friends.
I use it for both, in equal proportion. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
652
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:24:00 -
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Watch list working as intended.
Also it's really handy for tracking war targets if you get decced by small corps.
Edit: Also, I have plenty of blues on mine.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:04:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I support the idea of showing up on a mutual watchlist only. I have to admit, I like being able to check if Pirate McSuchandsuch is online at this very time, but it would benefit emergent gameplay if I didn't know, and had to scout the system beforehand to be sure. It's kind of dumb I can see Pirate McSuchandsuch just logged on, even if he's half a universe away. I should be getting that intel through gameplay, not through automated notifications.
Yea hate to make it to simple but...... LOCAL? |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
127
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:08:00 -
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I would prefer the watch list be removed. It is useful for intel on hostile targets but therein lies the problem. I am a realist, and unless I hire a PI to watch my enemies or rig their neighborhood with cameras I wont know when they are awake and able to harass me. If you want that kind of info you should have to incur the cost to obtain it.
Remove local too. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
399
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:32:00 -
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I thought you meant the fleet watch list when I started reading that. 
I actually hardly use the other one at all. I did use it to keep track of friends when I did though, because I wasn't always in the same area with them. When I was, it was unnecessary. I've occasionally used it to keep track of others for various purposes too, such as when I was getting my Standings increased to keep track of one or another mission runner, and when I've been at war.
Not much otherwise, and I don't think there is anyone on it now.
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Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
183
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The watch list should be two ways. That is, if someone puts you on a watch list, you should know who did it so you know who is watching you.
Such a "Facebook-like" feature.
There is an option to notify someone when you put them on your watchlist and it has issues doing so.
Example: Eve University had a policy where wartargets would be added to uni members watch lists -- with notification. How'd you like to get 300+ notifications spamming you within a single hour? How about over 1,000 over a 2 day window?
Convo spamming is a nasty way to mess with a pilot - a game mechanic use for combat purposes. Such notifications?
Picture the lulz from say TEST deciding they'll spam some small corp's members with over 6,000 "watchlist" notifications. Enough, done fast enough, and you could probably crash their client. |
Mire Stoude
Capital Industries Research And Development
Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:58:00 -
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I'm a super nice guy and only use it to track friends. |
Devon Krah'tor
Magis.Erudire.Ratus.Knoen
14
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Posted - 2012.11.12 21:41:00 -
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As an eve player I get upset at the idea of making this game more realistic at the cost of me adapting (unless it harms some other play style I compete with). Also I generally fear change and will hide behind a mask of sarcasm and derision.
anyway, Free intel is lame. Work for it like in real life, plus add new tools that aren't magical chat boxes and floating pictures to tell me who is nearby or onilne. We have onboard sensors, have intelligence agents. CCP run with this for god sakes.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge |
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