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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Aldanor
A more relevant killboard would be one that takes into account isk killed to isk lost rather than pure killcount imho.
who cares about isk in pvp anyways?
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:59:00 -
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I think an official killboard is a sweet idea, usefull for corps and alliances that like to keep tabs on their members or run competitions and the like
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.04.20 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Gunship
we all
That's the reason right there. "We all" don't use them. Some of us actually don't give a rats ass.
all pvpers out there want a reliable killboard, all i have to do is read your alliance tag to realise why u dont.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.20 17:59:00 -
[94]
anyway, enough talking, more statsboard making ccp...
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Sparhawk
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Posted - 2005.04.20 20:45:00 -
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The request for a CCP sanctioned and provided killboard seems feasible and reasonable. The data provided would be generated from the original killmail, and be "read only" for the display. Perhaps they could refresh the data every night after downtime. I would even venture to say XML could be made available for corporation websites. In addition, if you don't want to know what your PVP success and failure stats are then you simply choose a check box/drop down that indicates that you do not want your stats posted. 
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Epofhis
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Posted - 2005.04.20 21:03:00 -
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/me waves at sparhawk
i bet ts is all a chatter w/ u atm
and yes im still swearing at peeps
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Sparhawk
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Posted - 2005.04.20 22:21:00 -
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Swearing at Players? Say it isn't so!?! It only gets noisy on TS when I kick someone in the Daddy Bag and stir things up like I do. Keep it real guys, and lets see if we can't get CCP to post an official kill board so we can once and for all put these lamer killboard forging n00bs to rest.
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Zothike
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Posted - 2005.04.21 11:30:00 -
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If ccp would make an official kill board i think it would show only killer name and stats but not the names of victim unless accepted, otherway all carebears and ppl who suck at pvp or are not interested in it would be very upset to be mocked at like "hey look at Zothike kill board 0 victory and killed 85 times" then would make many ppl leaving.
look at what happened to this mmorpg (i dont remenber the name) with cars races that apparently was showing rank of ppl or such, many ppl that were unable to raise their rank leaved the game and the game is now closed....
same for planetside; a pvp only game
you can see how Much ppl you have killed but not how many time you have been killed, other way the game would have died since long
Regards
Zothike
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.21 14:50:00 -
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Remove the killmails instead. Start roleplaying, this is a MMORPG after all.
Killmails was a mistake by CCP to add to the game.
I like unoffical killboards, but I can keep record of my kills with pen and paper and later on type it into the killboard instead.
All of you that like everything to be black and white and stats all over the place. Play a board game or something instead (or CS...I say this to annoy you that donŠt understand why CS is being used as an example in this thread over and over...). If you have problems with the cheatings, lies, aggressions, loyalties, carebearing, uncertainties etc. that is part of roleplaying you shouldnŠt be playing this game.
This is my not humble opinion.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.04.21 18:03:00 -
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there are stats for ships killed per 24 hours per sector, per hour, pods per 24 hours, per hour.. where ur corp mates are... where your agents are.. etc etc
and you cant think of a way to role play with such? eve is a space sim.. futuristic.. and you want ppl to move to pen and paper.. this isnt a historic RPG... or a fantasy RPG..
RPG'ing doesnt have to be based on ignorance or lack of knowledge..
--thoth
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.21 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
and you want ppl to move to pen and paper.. this isnt a historic RPG... or a fantasy RPG..
If you feel more comfortable with Excel, use that instead then. The point wasnŠt using pen and paper, and I think you are intelligent enough to have understood that from my post.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.04.22 12:28:00 -
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i understood.. i was trying to illustrate how, that way of role play may not fit with everyone's idea of roleplaying a futuristic RPG.. when ur flying along in your raven do you expect to whip out a handy little pda with excel installed any more than a pen and paper?
do you really expect a hugh space going warship not to maintain logs? if concord record combat for the map and for jumping and docking, why not show them? RP'ing involves imagination.. fiting the role to the situation... not the situation to someone's idea of how RPG's should be... 
--thoth
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.22 14:42:00 -
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Ok, obviously I s-c-r-e-w-e-d up trying to explain that I like killboards (unofficial ones), and then used pen and paper, excel, whatever, as a tool example. I should have left that sentence out since you still are hung up on that and still donŠt understand what I meant with my post as a whole.
btw, a lot of tools are used outside of the game for various stuff to lift the game to a higher level, this forum for instance. Or check out eve-i, and I bet lots of ppl have their own stuff on their computers as well. There are more to this game than pvp and there would be close to impossible having all tools for all things implemented in the game. I hope we can agree on that at least.
The thing about the concord logs and such are that they are not put in a central repository and made publicly available for comparisson, and that means a great deal because now there is that uncertainty that things might be falsified. And that, I believe, is a spice to much of the RPG part that includes diplomacy (on all levels; from grunts trolling, to assigned alliance diplomats doing public statements).
With a transparent system with all facts availlable there is no room for misunderstanding a situation when everyone can check the central logs and kills and see timestamps and other kinds of data, all back and white. I really believe that it will remove a nice dimension in the game.
Then again, I agree with you that it wouldnŠt remove the possibility to roleplay if a killboard of that kind was introduced. I just believe it to be boring.
I guess CCP will introduce a public killboard sooner or later anyway. Most likely the game will sell better with a couple of highscore systems.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.04.22 15:27:00 -
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u assume i dont understand because i dont come to the same conclusion as you do.. and basically your argument is is it easier to RPG by being able to lie.. and i just dont agree that makes RP'ing better, it requires less thought, less skill, and leads to increased amounts of childish arguments.. having a certain amount of truth in the game forces some commonality.. and helps everyone..
the main difference in our opinions comes from me being lazy  .. you dont mind doing the extra work and i dont see the point.. the less time i waste outside the game.. the more time i have to spend inside it .. i'm not a fan of game ranking systems.. but giving them accurate info to let ppl judge by their own ideas is nice for many.. as others have pointed out.. the stats DONT tell the whole story.. that is the part for the RPG'ers to add..
--thoth
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KissMyBoots
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Posted - 2005.04.22 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
go away sky...its not like ur a pvper anyway.
havent you just made a good arguement AGAINST killboards/leaguetables max? Surely it would divide the eve community with any sort of one-up-manship "your not in the league table stfu etc"
...I dont want to measure the length of anything in eve, kills, losses, knob length (don't have one), isk power ...and I don't want to have to be part of a community that becomes obsessed by this...the only stat I like is that when I log in there are 9,768+ people in the same e-real world as me...
at a push I like the suggestion by by SAS that you could just have corp kills/war stats, or a voluntary board
...but all this aside how much extra would it costs us all to do this? ...eve-kills wasnt free and was supported by users
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.22 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 22/04/2005 20:03:49
alts - bad. im not sure why u need to use one here, its not like some political fight.
i dont want non pvpers that dont really care about it to stop stats being put in. PvP has been nerfed endlessly with no stop in sight due to people whining and whining about dying in this game. and i dontwant those same people to now stop stat boards being made because they dont like seeing themselves dead up there, or because they dont get something for themselves. CCP need to do something for the pvpers this time round...
ity doesnt have to be set out like a league table, Planetside have stats for EVERYONE. not some top 10 kill table......id like something the same...its not hard to do
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Emperor
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Posted - 2005.04.23 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00
i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it |
High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.04.23 10:56:00 -
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I like the idea of a killboard.
I think it does have a place in the game - the question is, how you approach it.
you are always going to get people who brag about their kills. the problem occurs when the killboards they use for reference are unofficial - it is hard to prove or disprove the stats. I have seen examples on these forums where accusations have flown all over the place of false killmails, doctored killmails etc etc.
bottom line is, if its an official killboard that registers the killmail as soon as it is generated, you get rid of the doubt issue. THAT would get rid of at least half the smacktalk i see on the forums.
Now, not everyone is going to be interested in a killboard, we all know that. No big issue. Those who want to use it as a point of reference can, the rest will ignore it.
However, a lot of people would probably like to have the facility there so that they could refer to it once in a while. I myself do with Eve-Kills (mainly to look at all those ships I've lost and remind myself that 0.0 is a dangerous place).
Its not just about players getting lots of kills and then shouting 'my tonker is bigger than yours' on the forums.
Its a place of reference for:
1) Recruiters to look up an applicants stats
2) Corps and alliances to check and see what they are going up against in war
3) The same to check their progress against the enemy during war (how many of you have seen smacktalk about just how many ships a side has lost and the counter claims and accusations ad nauseum?)
Yes there are negative aspects, but I believe the positive outweigh the negative.
Feel free to look at my stats on Eve-kills they are rubbish. I don't mind, because to me its just a part of the game. I have lost alot of ships to NPC's as well - but thats not recorded.
To have a database of my losses to both PvP and NPC would help me alot. Call it masochism if you like!
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.23 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor
Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00
i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it
Excatly. We decided to stop using one for this reason. Hopefully this will lead to more smacktalk about how all we do is gank indys.
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.23 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: ElmWood on 23/04/2005 11:32:57
Oh mighty CCP God, please hear our humble plea.
Our enemy say they have killed 10 of our battleships and
we have records here saying it isnŠt true. We have collected
all our concord killmails and we can only count it to 3 losses.
Please please please, dear mighty CCP God. Could you please
create as system that take away this uncertainty and let
us see the truth.
Our enemies are saying bad stuff about us on the news,
spreading false propaganda. And since we feel urged to
read every single line of disgusting accusations we soon
canŠt take it anymore.
Oh mighty CCP God, please hear our humble plea.
EDIT: Divine intervention
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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2005.04.23 11:33:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Emperor
Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00
i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it
Coming from someone that petitioned to be moved cuz he was camped at a dock. 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.24 14:56:00 -
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Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game.
Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else.
PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills."
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Woad Raider
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Posted - 2005.04.24 18:12:00 -
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CCP gave us this forum, And its been turned into a Joke...Why would they give us a killbaord too
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Cyan Gadarin
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Posted - 2005.04.29 21:00:00 -
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does not have to be based only on kills, you could get points for things such as trading, missions, buidling.....etc. etc. I remember being at the top of the CS ranks several times before i could even run a 1/1 ratio due to other things such as hostage rescues and bomb defusals.
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Gunship
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Posted - 2005.04.29 23:52:00 -
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Please sign here if you want an official EVE kill board
Please copy the URL to your corps own forums etc. Spread the word and letÆs see how many really would like this. Perhaps the numbers will help persuade CCP?
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M1NeR
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Posted - 2005.04.30 17:50:00 -
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Imho official killboard is a must. It will merely represent a game's stats not affect 'em in any other way. Comparing EVE with WoW in this matter is stupid cause EVE and WoW are very very different games and PvP here differs A LOT from WoW's PvP. And also those thats will be 100% true cause it's official and automatically posted or somehow checked. And as it's not too difficult to create such a board (as stats of kills are gathered in logs anyways) I guess this thing must be created.
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M1NeR
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Posted - 2005.04.30 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55
Originally by: F'nog
Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game.
Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else.
PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills."
And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.04.30 22:14:00 -
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The only people who don't want a killboard are the ones who'd like to keep thinking they're better than others.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.01 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55
Originally by: F'nog
Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game.
Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else.
PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills."
And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all.
What exactly does this have to do with my alliance? Did I mention anything about XF and what it does or does not do? Nice attempt at a flame, but it simply shows why we don't need a killboard. This is just the sort of thing one will bring out in people, and we have enough of it as is.
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Zerodragoon
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Posted - 2005.05.01 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55
Originally by: F'nog
Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game.
Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else.
PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills."
And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all.
What exactly does this have to do with my alliance? Did I mention anything about XF and what it does or does not do? Nice attempt at a flame, but it simply shows why we don't need a killboard. This is just the sort of thing one will bring out in people, and we have enough of it as is.
Its a unwritten rule that if Xetic posts about something not realated to their alliance at ALL, you must flame them for being Xetic.
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