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Gunship	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Gunship on 29/04/2005 23:45:17 Edited by: Gunship on 29/04/2005 23:45:00 Edited by: Gunship on 29/04/2005 23:44:02 No offence against any of all the player made boards, but it seams a little strange that something that we all use and enjoy in one way or another can't be made by CCP and automatically entered (if they don't already have all the stats in there database). Perhaps TomB's stats are not that good after all please Sign here to get an official kill board - Thank You! ---- CCP Petition!
Beringe	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:40:00 - [2] Originally by: Gunship we all That's the reason right there. "We all" don't use them. Some of us actually don't give a rats ass. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:43:00 - [3] If we get an official CCP killboard, I expect non-pvp'ers will get there own e-peen measuring implement. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Yolan	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:52:00 - [4] I think its a good idea. If all player kills and losses were automatically entered on the killboard we would have none of the 'We killed more than you' bull that we see everyday on these boards
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Gunship we all That's the reason right there. "We all" don't use them. Some of us actually don't give a rats ass. all pvpers out there want a reliable killboard, all i have to do is read your alliance tag to realise why u dont. My vids and random stuff
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.04.17 09:55:00 - [6] yay im next to one of max' flames i feel special ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.17 10:06:00 - [7] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Gunship we all That's the reason right there. "We all" don't use them. Some of us actually don't give a rats ass. all pvpers out there want a reliable killboard, all i have to do is read your alliance tag to realise why u dont. All you do is flame - shouldn't you be getting more warnings for persistent trolling? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.17 10:07:00 - [8] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/04/2005 10:09:15 added 2 and 2 together josh my friend. fight fire with fire so to speak, if you bothered reading his post. point is, other games have stats of individual players, eve doesnt even though it would be good to have the stats. why cant ccp do it if others can My vids and random stuff
F'nog	Posted - 2005.04.17 10:25:00 - [9] A) This isn't CS. B) Not all PvPers care about killboards.
SengH	Posted - 2005.04.17 10:39:00 - [10] Edited by: SengH on 17/04/2005 10:41:12 Edited by: SengH on 17/04/2005 10:40:06 LOL this thread sure degenerated quick... i forsee that this thread will make the t2 flame retardant suits melt. We might need t4/t5 suits for this thread. Well thats if the moderators arent working sunday ... otherwise IBTL.

zincol	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:01:00 - [11] Originally by: F'nog A) This isn't CS. B) Not all PvPers care about killboards. Thats why 80% pvp corps have there own...
Xendie	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:03:00 - [12] and he says it like the FOE killboard is perfect i read somewhere that they were missing 200 losses that they didnt want to post. nice to flame others pvp performance and killboards then.
zincol	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:06:00 - [13] if the ppl who get the kill mails post then it dont matter if the death mail was posted or not. Killboards r great to look at,see what ppl r up to,see hotspots,weapons/ships/gang size ect,get sum good tactical info out them aswell as the pressure for ppl wanting to fight more to get more points.Public killboards ftw aslong as every 1 posts as far as i can see its not a problem If all ppl post kills then there deathmails dont need posting.
Akaviri	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:25:00 - [14] Well a public killboard could be seen as giving a way to "win" this game. People will be trying to become the person who has the most kills. You will get a bunch of exploiters making alts with the free trails and shooting them to get more kills. ````````````` _ \|\_ ````````````` \` oo\ ````````_____/ =__Y= `````` /` `````` ) `_``` / ` , ``` \/\_.(\_/) ((____\| `` )_--\ \_-`(x.x) `------'`------` `--` (> <) Kitty pwns Bunny!
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:29:00 - [15] I would prefer not to see a CCP killboard... I don't play this game to count kills, even though my corp does keep a killboard. If they ever did implement one, I'd hope it was optional if you participated.
zincol	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Akaviri Well a public killboard could be seen as giving a way to "win" this game. People will be trying to become the person who has the most kills. You will get a bunch of exploiters making alts with the free trails and shooting them to get more kills. thats why there is a points system added.
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:42:00 - [17] HOW ABOUT THIS: A CCP Killboard, WITHOUT ranking tables. To have (all) your kills and losses complied you have to opt in. On top of this, for those individual chars stats to be compiled into corp stats, the corp must opt in too (CEO decides). That way you carebears can continue to lie about how well you are doing, and the real PvPers can back up their claims with cold hard numbers.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:43:00 - [18] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/04/2005 11:44:16 Originally by: Xendie and he says it like the FOE killboard is perfect i read somewhere that they were missing 200 losses that they didnt want to post. nice to flame others pvp performance and killboards then. hahaha alts 4tl. thats the whole point ffs, an official one everyone is involved in would mean there is no way to escape it. You seen the xetic killboard recently? theres is far more innaccurate, but hey lets pick on foe and fyi, i post all kills and deaths i get, so S T F U. My vids and random stuff
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.04.17 12:09:00 - [19] TBH despite the fact that we religiously use the BoB killboard I think I'd be against having an official CCP board. Things are fine as they are. Eve Blacklight Style
Rodney Munch	Posted - 2005.04.17 12:15:00 - [20] Originally by: F'nog A) This isn't CS. B) Not all PvPers care about killboards. CS doesnt have an official "killboard" or way of measuring your rank etc. Thats only when you wish to enter your team into leagues. Secondly most games are going down this route, of an official way of recording how well your doing in a full on PvP game. World of Warcraft is implimenting a system (still being tested) that allows you to go up and down ranks according to how many PvP kills you have, and it looks VERY good. As you progress up the ranks you open up new rewards, such as new unique items and other stuff that shows that you are at that rank. You also get a title, such as warlord etc.

PreTender	Posted - 2005.04.17 12:20:00 - [21] if all players use the same killboard (cough http://killboard.eve-extra.com cough) losses and kills will berecorded so if you add a killmail the victem will get a loss recorded __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2005.04.17 12:39:00 - [22] Originally by: PreTender if all players use the same killboard (cough http://killboard.eve-extra.com cough) losses and kills will berecorded so if you add a killmail the victem will get a loss recorded doesnt work that way. Alot of people dont care about killboards which will make all killboards less accurate. If ccp made a killboard that added your kill/loss to the board without you doing anything this problem would be solved i think.
AnalogCapitalist	Posted - 2005.04.17 15:58:00 - [23] You can solve this easily by adding a MD5 checksum to all killmails, and a tool on the official website for verifying the checksums. That way you cant modify killmails and those whose existence hinges on how many killmails they have at least have accurate ones.
Xendie	Posted - 2005.04.17 16:11:00 - [24] Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/04/2005 11:44:16 Originally by: Xendie and he says it like the FOE killboard is perfect i read somewhere that they were missing 200 losses that they didnt want to post. nice to flame others pvp performance and killboards then. hahaha alts 4tl. thats the whole point ffs, an official one everyone is involved in would mean there is no way to escape it. You seen the xetic killboard recently? theres is far more innaccurate, but hey lets pick on foe and fyi, i post all kills and deaths i get, so S T F U. alts dont have 15mill skillpoints
nemtrex	Posted - 2005.04.17 16:34:00 - [25] CCP killboard would be so sweet... killboard.eve-online.com drool
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2005.04.17 16:54:00 - [26] imo a killboard only works for the parts of your team that have big guns on, Covert ops ships and tacklers dont get as much love so it would be hard to display truly accrate stats, but it would be a good idea if they really wanted to do it its not liike if you dont like the killboard you have to pay attention to it.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.17 16:57:00 - [27] that doesnt matter too much, because they are recognised within their alliance/corp/community for doing that kind of thing My vids and random stuff
Gunship	Posted - 2005.04.17 18:17:00 - [28] It was not really my intent to start a flame fest, but just to point out that I and others would like to see more stats, kills since I like to PvP would therefore be top of my list. 100% reliable and impartial would be key and CCP are the people to do this. IÆm sure even some Xetic members would like such a system and perhaps there could be stats for number of ore mined per minute, size of wallet or number of agent missions completed if thatÆs what the none-PvPÆers would like? EVE is a game; and like other games stats plays an important part, CCP for one love to talk about 10000+ players in the same world. I real life stats are also common, just look at the amount of stats you can get from an NBA or NFL game. European footballs (or soccer for the US) also have no end of stats. So why is an official kill board such a bad thing to ask for? CCP Petition!
Beringe	Posted - 2005.04.17 18:23:00 - [29] Originally by: zincol Thats why 80% pvp corps have there own... Great blanket statment. Number pulled out of ass, and probably not even close to the mark. 80%? Why not say something truly outrageous, like 99.99%? Just to make sure that we understand that, you know, every single PVPer just wants the world to know how many kills he has. [/sarcasm] ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Xenu	Posted - 2005.04.17 19:19:00 - [30] 62% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Zzazzt	Posted - 2005.04.17 19:19:00 - [31] IMO, an integrated, auto-updated killboard would be a good thing, so double/false entries etc. can be stopped. Only, however, on the following conditions: 1) Participation is optional (i.e. you register your corp for the eve killboard) 2) Corps can choose to keep it "in-house" (i.e. viewable by corp only) or make it publically viewable. ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2005.04.17 19:29:00 - [32] A public killboard would take away a massive power of the information minister. If someone wants to lie their kills/losses, or give a false impression of something, then that's all part of the game as far as I'm concerned. Victories in EVE come around from lack of morale, so the information ministers job is very important. As for my view based solely on my game style it would be great. Only cause KIA are uber though --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
zincol	Posted - 2005.04.17 20:11:00 - [33] yah! WTB - My Sig Back!
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.17 21:49:00 - [34] EVE stands not for Counter Strike. -=-
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.17 21:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Sky Hunter EVE stands not for Counter Strike. it has nothing to do with cs for ****s sake, jeez...is 'cs players' the nickname for pvpers now? CS doesnt give global wide stats of every single kill u make. MMOGs can. CS is an fps, this is a mmog. jeez people like you comparing the 2 annoy me when they are totally different games My vids and random stuff
jamesw	Posted - 2005.04.17 23:36:00 - [36] Killboards should be the responsibility of those who want to use them tbh. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Saladin	Posted - 2005.04.18 01:16:00 - [37] Gunship you make some very good points. Players have themselves set up robust kill tracking systems in a short period of time, so it must not be an issue of too much work for the devs. If i try to put myself in the shoes of the head honcho at CCP, I might look at it differently. I am assuming that CCP's reluctance relates to more of, for lack of a better word, a privacy issue. Some people may want to suffer in silence and not have their demise plastered over an official CCP website. Kill tracking websites that players set up are more often than not used for bragging rights and flamefests, and I couldn't see they would want to get involved in it by posting official data.
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.04.18 01:40:00 - [38] Pretty terrible idea. This isnt some fps where the only goal is frags __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.18 02:21:00 - [39] so make it a OPTIONAL killboard. Individuals could opt in, or corps (while members still maintain anonimaty, are just statistics if they want)
Araviel	Posted - 2005.04.18 04:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Originally by: PreTender if all players use the same killboard (cough http://killboard.eve-extra.com cough) losses and kills will berecorded so if you add a killmail the victem will get a loss recorded doesnt work that way. Alot of people dont care about killboards which will make all killboards less accurate. If ccp made a killboard that added your kill/loss to the board without you doing anything this problem would be solved i think. yeah, i just registred at kill-board.com for the first time today and i got a shock, seems like people dosnt care about adding their own deaths so when i viewed my stats it looked like i only got 1 kill per 20 deaths, EPIC Recruitment post

Kerosene	Posted - 2005.04.18 06:08:00 - [41] As promised... And for those who cba to click the link... When a global killboard was hinted at in the last EveChat I was already counting down the days until this game would become the one thing I feared:- Counterstrike in Space. It's happened with games in the past, with myself having personal experience of the effects in Dark Age of Camelot. The following effects occured as a direct result of comparable scores and rankings (I'll try to translate the DAoC effects to Eve Scenarios so bear with me) 1. People no longer flew ships that were considered underpowered. This led to a massive inbalance in ship typs flown and the term 'FOTM' (flavour of the month) was coined to highlight whichever ship was the most overpowered at that time. 2. The incidences of whining on various forums and in game due to people's favourite ships being no longer viable became frightening 3. The biggest effect for me was when the game no longer was about playing for fun, but playing for a 'high score'. This high score would be translated into status and reputability. Much like we can't stand alt posts now, we won't credit people who don't appear in the top 100 score. Those in the top 100 would condescend any opinions brought forth by the lower scoring people with lines such as 'STFU n00b', 'Shut up and get some kills', and my personal favourite 'I see you've not even killed anything this week, you've nothing to say here' 4. Another serious enjoyment killer came from HAVING to run in groups of a certain configuration because that was the most effective. No longer could I fly my favourite (insert random ship) ship in groups because it was deemed as ineffective. This is already quite apparent in groups that will only run using Teamspeak. Although to some extent I understand then need for it, it shouldn't exclude me from gangs just because my wife is sleeping next to me. Now, this has come up many times before and the same people advocate it every time and I post something very similar to this every time. So from now on I'm just link to this post every time I feel the need to constructively argue the idea down.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.18 07:03:00 - [42] having stats doesnt make it a damn CS clone My vids and random stuff
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.18 07:24:00 - [43] two words Optional Killboard.
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.04.18 07:44:00 - [44] Originally by: MAXSuicide having stats doesnt make it a damn CS clone Not to mention that but the term is 'Quake in space' not this noobie CS in space term
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.18 07:57:00 - [45] Originally by: MAXSuicide having stats doesnt make it a damn CS clone Having stats makes it an "FPS in Space" clone Does that feel better? - because it's true. If the Devs waste time on a killboard, that's what it'll be - a waste af time. EVE is not Quake, UT, CS, CoD, etc., and people don't want it to become that. If all you care about is kill stats, go play a different game. Don't whine - adapt or quit! -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.04.18 08:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Originally by: MAXSuicide having stats doesnt make it a damn CS clone Having stats makes it an "FPS in Space" clone Does that feel better? - because it's true. No its not. Id go as far as to say, thats even a retarded thing to say. Yeah, how the stats were implented could have an impact on how some people play the game... The only thing in common 'any FPS' and 'EVE with stats' would have is... People trying to shoot People, which differs from now how?
meowcat	Posted - 2005.04.18 08:41:00 - [47] Edited by: meowcat on 18/04/2005 08:42:19 Originally by: Gunship Kill boards, why don't CCP make one? the only sensible reason i can think of, is that they don't want the game to turn into a pointless race to get to the top of a list. i don't think theres any need for it myself ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.04.18 09:30:00 - [48] Hmm... let's forget CS, Quake, and whatever else you can think of for a sec... I have noticed recently that an entire profession has gone MIA lately in EVE. Personally I'd blame it on fanatic reliance on this or that killboard, everyone has one these days it seems. Hell, even Xetic the "carebear" alliance has one(and a very nice one I might add) The profession I mentioned earlyer are the propaganda specialists we had overflowing these boards but a year ago. Every day was a new twist in the EVE soap, a true drama to an avid forum reader such as myself. Heh... politics These days the forums seem to be flooded with something or other regarding killboards. The highlight must be Shinra accusing Xetic of not posting losses. Ah well, I guess that's theyr prerogative. Currently SWC is flying with MASS, Species and a handfull of old allies fighting Xetic. All of us have a killboard of sorts, and it's nice to be able to compare how we are doing and all. Too bad MASS & SWC have 2 very different fighting styles, so as to effectively render any direct comparison invalid. Personally I wouldn't want CCP to do a killboard, at the most just make something that can verify the legitimacy of a killmail. CCP have stated over and over again that they want the players to maintain the majority of the community, why should this be any different? Only reason for us to have CCP do THE killboard would be to have a reliable board, but why would we want that? seriously? Besides, a high number of kills dosn't actually reflect actual PvP ability. What about the ability of all those Indy drivers that travel through 0.0 and live to tell the tale? Sometimes escaping because of theyr ability to outsmart that Inty pilot, it's not like he's gonna get a mail of recognition. What about Teddybears & Tundragon? Pod or Post? The ambiguity, dishonesty and outright lies that actually make these forums, as entertaining as they sometimes can be, wouldn't stand a chance any more. Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Beggs	Posted - 2005.04.18 10:11:00 - [49] I'd love to see CCP implement a killboard, a kill is worth so much more if you can look back on it 6 months later and feel the warm glow of past glories. DMGI
Dell Boy	Posted - 2005.04.18 10:52:00 - [50] Originally by: AnalogCapitalist You can solve this easily by adding a MD5 checksum to all killmails, and a tool on the official website for verifying the checksums. That way you cant modify killmails and those whose existence hinges on how many killmails they have at least have accurate ones. Good suggestion but one big stumbling block here is that some killmails are so long that the copy&paste clipboard buffer in Eve is too small to hold the entire mail. Easily fixed with 2 or more copy&paste operations (or a bigger clipboard in Eve) but a lot of people seldom bother to do that.

thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.18 12:11:00 - [51] mhm.. all this "i dont want an official killboard because.. <insert reason>" no one could make anyone look at it.. do you suggest banning ppl from making their own because.. "we dont want CS in space" if you really feel looking at pvp stats makes this CS.. dont look? An official board would be nothing different from unofficial.. except it would be accurate.. and ppl wouldnt get to flame as much on the forums.. --thoth
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:00:00 - [52] I think it would be nice if ccp implemented some more stats like: * Fastest veldspar miner, say most mined veldspar in 24 hours. * Longest safespotted, kinda "this guy has been online, and in space 23/7 for one year and hasn¦t moved 1 meter". * Best seller of long limb roes in Period Basis. * Most characters typed in alliance chat, disregard the curses. Well, we could have stats on everything!! Or.....we could try to roleplay this game and by our own means try to find out who killed who, how many times and for what reason.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.18 14:27:00 - [53] showing some statistics may enhance the game for a significant amount of the player base.. yet still some feel their way of playing is the only way.. --thoth
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.04.18 14:37:00 - [54] Personally I am Against a Official Killboard Per Se. A Statistic Board would be different Sure it could Track Kills and Losses but also ISk Generated, Trades, travel times....Basically a Lot of Silly statistics to make everyone happy....... Carebears want to know hopw much Ore they have mined in the last 48 hours there ya go PVPers want to know there Ammo to Kill Ration over a week there ya go....... --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.18 15:27:00 - [55] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 18/04/2005 15:28:03 people that dont like the idea dont have to look at the stats, simple. adding stats doesnt make it a ******* CS/QUAKE/UT/whatever other fps for gods sake... Every other mmog has stats, eve should be no different, most people like looking at their stats, if you dont, dont look at them then, but dont ruin it for the people that do want to. The stats in a lot of other mmogs doesnt make everyone suddenly rush for a gun and go shoot people to make it to the top, its just nice to see what youve done in the past etc and who you have killed. I really hate it when people that hardly ever pvp come along into these forums and say they dont want one because it will be like cs, have those people actually properly pvped in this game? have they actually played CS? damn carebears are contorlling this game and it has to stop! youve nerfed pvp to the brink of consentual pvp, dont deprive us of stats! My vids and random stuff
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.18 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: MuthaTrucka Personally I am Against a Official Killboard Per Se. A Statistic Board would be different Sure it could Track Kills and Losses but also ISk Generated, Trades, travel times....Basically a Lot of Silly statistics to make everyone happy....... Carebears want to know hopw much Ore they have mined in the last 48 hours there ya go PVPers want to know there Ammo to Kill Ration over a week there ya go....... Yeah, thats cool, statistics of what you have achieved. But I think the question here is about a system were you can see how others are doing and how you are doing compared to them. This kind of 100% fullproof transparency isn¦t something you find in life. There is no neutral uber spionage team checking body bags on both sides after a war and give statistics that are to be trusted. And there is no easy way to check the market statistics either (if you include the black market as well, cmp. escrow/direct trade). And there is definitely not easy to find out what kind of tasks each and every person do in their daily lifes. I am under the impression that ccp wants a roleplaying persistent world and not a board game with animated playing pieces. Finally I want to say that I really like killboards, it¦s nice to see how good we are doing and how bad they are doing.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.18 15:42:00 - [57] Originally by: ElmWood This kind of 100% fullproof transparency isn¦t something you find in life. lucky then this is a game... --thoth
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.18 15:57:00 - [58] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: ElmWood This kind of 100% fullproof transparency isn¦t something you find in life. lucky then this is a game... I guess you missed parts of my post. The roleplaying part and what ingedients you put into it....sort of. Building up a fictive reality were you play a character, kinda like life but a different settings and stuff. You must have roleplayed sometime in your life, eh?
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.18 16:12:00 - [59] Originally by: ElmWood I guess you missed parts of my post. The roleplaying part and what ingedients you put into it....sort of. Building up a fictive reality were you play a character, kinda like life but a different settings and stuff. You must have roleplayed sometime in your life, eh? i was part of roleplaying groups for years at uni.. i understand the requirements very well, but then that is not the point, is it.. your insistance that everyone should want to roleplay.. your insistance that having accurate facts stops roleplaying in anyway.. --thoth
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.18 16:46:00 - [60] Edited by: ElmWood on 18/04/2005 16:48:55 Originally by: thoth foc i was part of roleplaying groups for years at uni.. i understand the requirements very well, but then that is not the point, is it.. your insistance that everyone should want to roleplay.. your insistance that having accurate facts stops roleplaying in anyway.. Yeah, I agree with you on that, it doesn¦t have to stop roleplaying. But I believe that other parts of the game might get hurt/disappear if ccp implement an official killboard. And it might turn in to a more board game like thingy. More, I agree with what Taz Devlin posted earlier. EDIT: misunderstood your post so I had to remove a line :)

thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.18 17:23:00 - [61] adding proper statics could ofc kill some forum propaganda , but then again it could also promote discussion.. any statistics can be interupted as the reader sees fit.. giving common and correct statics, reduces stupid flames and gives the community an easy source to find it.. maybe if the lvl of the forums was raised above its current lvls some of these "professions" --thoth
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.18 18:28:00 - [62] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Sky Hunter EVE stands not for Counter Strike. it has nothing to do with cs for ****s sake, jeez...is 'cs players' the nickname for pvpers now? CS doesnt give global wide stats of every single kill u make. MMOGs can. CS is an fps, this is a mmog. jeez people like you comparing the 2 annoy me when they are totally different games yup MMOG isnt a FPS, so noone needs a TOP 10. Want kill count? Get yr corp/alliance kill board or one of 2 public. And i dont see any point of kill counters, most of people kill for fun not for for "i r ub3r" -=-
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.18 20:42:00 - [63] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 18/04/2005 20:42:53 it isnt for 'i r uber' it isnt about top 10, CS doesnt have a global wide ranking anyway, only the server for like 20 min map rounds. jeez notice the pattern of people who dont want it and people who do, the majorioty that dont are from Xetic and FA. the majority that do are from FoE, shinra, other pvp corps. u see it? It is for ACCURATE stats of how people are doing in wars, and just nice stats that people can feel happy about after making a kill. its not hard to implement when ccp have all the info on their database or whatever. most other mmogs also have stats of 1 thing or another. so why cant eve have it, this is one of the few things pvpers have asked for. i dont want miners to stop it from being made, like they have caused the nerfing of pvp. As i said, this would stop all flame wars about inaccuracy on killboards, there would be no stupid PR stunts, it will show the outsiders of the conflicts who is getting more kills than the other, so they can base their beliefs on that or the pr campaigns on forums. My vids and random stuff
siim	Posted - 2005.04.18 20:50:00 - [64] wtf is this comparing with CS ?
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.18 20:52:00 - [65] Originally by: siim wtf is this comparing with CS ? exactly...i fail to see how anyone can compare the two My vids and random stuff
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.04.18 21:00:00 - [66] I used eve-kills off and on for awhile. I liked it on one hand but on the other it has nearly ruined the game for me. It's that kill mail culture. You lose site of why you are playing the game. It was to the point where I'd plant myself in a hostile system, log on, check the gates/stations for easy kills and then log off after less than a few minutes and do the same thing all day long. I was killing people who couldn't find their ass with both hands. I killed a crapload of frigs and 90% of the time they didn't even shoot back. If I want to beat off to my own ub3rness I'll play my girlfriend at Halo and it won't cost $14.95 a month. If CCP logged all kills automatically, I have to admit I'd check my score everyday, but I'll never go out of my way to enter anything into anything anymore. There were times when I'd kill a dude and I'd be entering the mail while I killed someone else. Sad. Being a PvP-bot is slightly more gratifying than being a miner-bot but they both wear on you and sap enjoyment. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
dimensionZ	Posted - 2005.04.18 21:04:00 - [67] And think about the traffic too ...
Dolza Cameria	Posted - 2005.04.18 22:52:00 - [68] Any form of daily stats would be interesting. Who is selling the most, producing the most, killing the most. A daily status board that is updated after downtime with all the stats people care about. Yes the carebears don't care about kills, but to the PvP'ers they are a badge of honor! CPP could easly step up here and prove us all wrong and blow our minds with a clean, simple system listing stat's each day. The key is it would have to be automatic. Players would not need to "post" kills, they would just automatically be listed in the morning. Name, Killed, Ship, System and loot? Sounds good to me
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.18 23:13:00 - [69] Every game out there has a top 10. Calling it "CS" is just a cheap, ignorant low-blow.
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2005.04.18 23:18:00 - [70] Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 18/04/2005 23:20:12 i was against killmails... An official killboard won't do any good really, because not everyone wants to have his kills/losses shown in public. Ship kills don't make you win a war, and they don't have a real economic impact (unless it's a slaughter in a short period of time). So killmails are meaningless for rankings, but contain good intel on the enemy fitting habits. That's all. i hope to see a pos killboard soon as dreadnaughts come ingame

SlightlyMad	Posted - 2005.04.19 09:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Gunship No offence against any of all the player made boards, but it seams a little strange that something that we all use and enjoy in one way or another can't be made by CCP and automatically entered (if they don't already have all the stats in there database). Perhaps TomB's stats are not that good after all Maybe the intention of this game never was to produce a Counterstrike space sim? * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.19 14:10:00 - [72] Quote: Maybe the intention of this game never was to produce a Counterstrike space sim? What the hell is up with you people and counterstrike? I personally have never ever played CS have no intention to, and have no idea what type of game it is. What I would like is some kind of rankings in eve based on PVP ship kills. what is so hard about that? what would make it even better is if it grouped kills into wars. corporation x declared war on corporation or alliance y on date z. Here are all the kills losses for this war. How hard is that , not hard at all. It however cannot be done on the private side as the private killboards cannot keep track of wars. So there that is what I would like that cannot be provided currently with private kill boards. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
anter	Posted - 2005.04.19 15:07:00 - [73] I rather like how it is now. Good pilots are getting known around eve universe how well they performance instead some w/l stats they could show off, just because they never leave their 50+ pilot blob. There is already ranking in eve that is these pilot who are known of their very good performance even when outnumbered or something else.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.19 15:10:00 - [74] Originally by: Zandramus Quote: Maybe the intention of this game never was to produce a Counterstrike space sim? What the hell is up with you people and counterstrike? I personally have never ever played CS have no intention to, and have no idea what type of game it is. What I would like is some kind of rankings in eve based on PVP ship kills. what is so hard about that? what would make it even better is if it grouped kills into wars. corporation x declared war on corporation or alliance y on date z. Here are all the kills losses for this war. How hard is that , not hard at all. It however cannot be done on the private side as the private killboards cannot keep track of wars. So there that is what I would like that cannot be provided currently with private kill boards. Zandramus exxxactly....but once again people that hardly ever pvp are ruining it for us. just do it ccp! it will pay off in the end, and also get rid of alt posting on forums, these 2 combined will mean almost 0 smack and flame in forums. it will be a better place, and if the carebears feel left out (having something put into the game for others obviously will as they are so used to having thigns their way) give them a total ore mined, or sold, or whatever. people that dont pvp very often should stay out of this thread tbh My vids and random stuff
d'hofren	Posted - 2005.04.19 16:00:00 - [75] Edited by: d''hofren on 19/04/2005 16:02:16 Edited - inability to use the quote button properly I posted this on the other thread we had regarding killboards - Originally by: Me But thats the point, I don't mind people getting a rep by being great PvPers. In fact I encourage that, it's one of the most fun parts of the game. What I don't like is people evaluating performance by scoring x points from y kills over a z day period. It's sterile and encourages a single points centric style of gameplay. There is a similar arguement against having a eve richlist. That would encourage an "stay in empire and build up isk in the wallet" mentality amongst those who do play eve as a mining / trading simulator. Now before we go skipping down the "it's a pvp game" "oh no it's not" road. That really isn't the issue and if you insist that it is I will have to shoot youWink. The issue is do we want to play a game where actions, reputations, heroics, cowardice, folklore build our reputations or one where respect and fear are built on how many points we have in our bios. The idea of a loss / win table is interesting. It does make things a little too clear cut for me. Besides,I rather like the forum discussions around who is winning a particular fight. It's a bit like a p*ssed up shouting match in a chav pub or a bad episode of Corrie. However I don't enjoy the flaming but IMPW, (in my perfect world), flaming and smack would be dealt with by corp leaders.
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.19 16:02:00 - [76] Why? Well its simple, i dont like to see a smap of newb ships/shuttles kill mails. Its obivious that 0.0 player will never get same amount of kill as low-sec pirate ganker. Hence the 0.0 pilot can kill a average lets say of 1 BS per 2 days, and low-sec pirate will gank up 20+ newb ships and indys. Even if 0.0 pilot will run across whole region of his alliance and seek action all the time, he will still not get same amount of kills. Since 95% of all ships in 0.0 are flying pvp equiped, so its much more harder to get then to gank an NPC hunting fitted Raven or mining Apoc. Fair? No. -=-
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.19 17:50:00 - [77] why does it matter what kind of ships are destroyed? the point is they are stats My vids and random stuff
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.19 17:55:00 - [78] Edited by: Zandramus on 19/04/2005 17:55:51 Quote: Its obivious that 0.0 player will never get same amount of kill as low-sec pirate ganker. Hence the 0.0 pilot can kill a average lets say of 1 BS per 2 days, and low-sec pirate will gank up 20+ newb ships and indys. Even if 0.0 pilot will run across whole region of his alliance and seek action all the time, he will still not get same amount of kills. Since 95% of all ships in 0.0 are flying pvp equiped, so its much more harder to get then to gank an NPC hunting fitted Raven or mining Apoc. Fair? No. its not that there arent ships to kill its that you are napped with half of the players in the game, thus limiting your red targets. There are plenty of ships to kill in 0.0 you just have to get out of your own alliances space and play the role of the invader. and come out of your safe spot every once and a while. secondly like Max said using a points system based on type of ship and number of people on the kill mail keeps this all in line as well. I really would like to see a section tied to wars so that you could have a list of kills losses in certain conflicts. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Beringe	Posted - 2005.04.19 19:44:00 - [79] Edited by: Beringe on 19/04/2005 19:44:38 All that is likely to ensue are more flames...this time about actual statistics. People will argue to the death about what ships are worth the most to kill, and how they were killed ("all my kill were done solo, you have nothing but ganks" etc). It's utterly naive to think that having the stats will change the discussion in any ways. Don't forget: There are lies, filthy lies, and statistics. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.19 19:45:00 - [80] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 19/04/2005 19:46:00 Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 19/04/2005 17:55:51 Quote: Its obivious that 0.0 player will never get same amount of kill as low-sec pirate ganker. Hence the 0.0 pilot can kill a average lets say of 1 BS per 2 days, and low-sec pirate will gank up 20+ newb ships and indys. Even if 0.0 pilot will run across whole region of his alliance and seek action all the time, he will still not get same amount of kills. Since 95% of all ships in 0.0 are flying pvp equiped, so its much more harder to get then to gank an NPC hunting fitted Raven or mining Apoc. Fair? No. its not that there arent ships to kill its that you are napped with half of the players in the game, thus limiting your red targets. There are plenty of ships to kill in 0.0 you just have to get out of your own alliances space and play the role of the invader. and come out of your safe spot every once and a while. secondly like Max said using a points system based on type of ship and number of people on the kill mail keeps this all in line as well. I really would like to see a section tied to wars so that you could have a list of kills losses in certain conflicts. Zandramus So? Hm side with more kills wins? lol. War isnt won by highest kills, war is won by whoever stays in space. as for killboard idea itself, if it will be calculated like eve-kills.com do, then it should be fine. p.s. as for napped and other stuff, well, go double-check map. -=-

MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.19 20:03:00 - [81] go away sky...its not like ur a pvper anyway. My vids and random stuff
Earthan	Posted - 2005.04.19 20:07:00 - [82] Dont care about kills i want a amount of rocks mined board Btw wasnt around for 4 months and the discussions dont change , its fun to see some things dont change Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.19 20:23:00 - [83] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 19/04/2005 20:23:34 Originally by: MAXSuicide go away sky...its not like ur a pvper anyway. Not even paying attaention.... "yr not a real pvper" ROFL. its like "you not my friend anymore waaaaaa". grow up pill? As for normal people i was thinking about thise kill board idea and heres what id suggest: If there will official kill-board, make it very easy. it will automatically count into yr profile. Profile will appear once yr avatar icon on forums is clicked or yr named entered into search function. Then visitor will be able to see yr char name, corp, alliance, number of kills, number of losses. Simple as that. Just pure kill/loss list, that visitor can see as overall or each kill/loss individually like what parties involved and other stuff. However option with kill-mails still need to be there for alliance/corp killboard. Just when you kill or get killed you get kill-mail and its automatically stores itself in yr personall database. However, this will require CCP to increase their database storage(assuming number of kills/losses happens every day in EVE). And make sure it will not cause game overload in fleet engagements where kill-mails will add rapidly. -=-
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2005.04.19 23:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Zandramus Quote: Maybe the intention of this game never was to produce a Counterstrike space sim? What the hell is up with you people and counterstrike? Zandramus I think that is why we don't have a "killboard". Reducing this game to frags per minute would completely ruin the atmosphere and the idea of the whole game. Like it or not, this is game is not about how many ganks/sec you manage to get. The whole idea of an official scoreboard for kills is just plain stupid if you consider the nature and concept behind the game. The Killmails are great and sufficient for those who wish to measure their prowes in this game by those means. If CCP would support it with an official "scoreboard" this game would be reduced to something it wasn't ment to be. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Gunship	Posted - 2005.04.19 23:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Gunship on 19/04/2005 23:38:50 I think the database issue is a drop in the ocean... if it should impact performance, it could be done in a batch job at downtime or as a process running every 30 min or so. I would be happy with an opt in option, not that I can see it's a problem really. I mean if your a miner, why look at the board in the first place. If I was a "carebear" I would not spend time looking at the kill boards, since it would be of no interest to me. However it would be a great asset to all of us who enjoy PvP, why can't we have something for a change? Carebears already got more agents, POS stuff and more office/research slot in empire and other crap we don't have any need for. On the CS thing, thats total BS (full stop). So I ask again.... Would it really be too much to ask for CCP Petition!
Trevor Cohen	Posted - 2005.04.20 04:30:00 - [86] I'm a carebear and I support an official kill board. 1. I won't look at it. I don't care about the numbers. 2. It'll keep the sods honest. How easy is it to fake a kill mail? I found out recently a 'wannabe' pirate organisation had one of their own corpers post bounties so as to make them seem tough. wtf? Who trusts killboard numbers anyway? 3. People posting safe-spot ejected shuttles as kills? wtf? Make it offical. Keep em honest. If your ego needs a ranking, go for it! I'll be chipping rocks while you guys fight. Come see me when you need a new ship and we can do business. Name: Linda Lovelace (laid the final blow) Security Status: 27.1 Corporation: TOYS-R-US Ship Type: Carmageddon Weapon Type: Nerfbat
Beringe	Posted - 2005.04.20 06:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Trevor Cohen 3. People posting safe-spot ejected shuttles as kills? wtf? You do realize that all of those kills would be entered into a centralized CCP killboard, every time, right? As I said before: all this would change is that the argument would move from being "I have X many kills" to be "I have X many kills at Y odds." ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Trevor Cohen	Posted - 2005.04.20 07:17:00 - [88] Well if I were writing the killboard, I'd only register kills of ships that had pilots in them (or if the programming permitted, pilots that had ejected less than 5 mins previously). As I posted above, I couldn't care less about kill counts. That's like the scene in Porkys where they're comparing their manhoods. But clearly many people think it's important. Since it's important to some people, let them count and count honestly. Remove any flaming about faking it and get down to the serious business of comparing kill counts. If an official kill board turns the argument from lies and quanity to quality of kills, then that's a good thing, yes?
Beringe	Posted - 2005.04.20 07:28:00 - [89] Originally by: Trevor Cohen If an official kill board turns the argument from lies and quanity to quality of kills, then that's a good thing, yes? No. That just gives a semblance of relevance to the lies. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Aldanor	Posted - 2005.04.20 07:52:00 - [90] A more relevant killboard would be one that takes into account isk killed to isk lost rather than pure killcount imho.

Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:10:00 - [91] Originally by: Aldanor A more relevant killboard would be one that takes into account isk killed to isk lost rather than pure killcount imho. who cares about isk in pvp anyways? -=-
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:59:00 - [92] I think an official killboard is a sweet idea, usefull for corps and alliances that like to keep tabs on their members or run competitions and the like :D Free websites The Peoples Lottery
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:48:00 - [93] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Gunship we all That's the reason right there. "We all" don't use them. Some of us actually don't give a rats ass. all pvpers out there want a reliable killboard, all i have to do is read your alliance tag to realise why u dont. MADE ME ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:59:00 - [94] anyway, enough talking, more statsboard making ccp... My vids and random stuff
Sparhawk	Posted - 2005.04.20 20:45:00 - [95] The request for a CCP sanctioned and provided killboard seems feasible and reasonable. The data provided would be generated from the original killmail, and be "read only" for the display. Perhaps they could refresh the data every night after downtime. I would even venture to say XML could be made available for corporation websites. In addition, if you don't want to know what your PVP success and failure stats are then you simply choose a check box/drop down that indicates that you do not want your stats posted.
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.20 21:03:00 - [96] /me waves at sparhawk i bet ts is all a chatter w/ u atm and yes im still swearing at peeps there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Sparhawk	Posted - 2005.04.20 22:21:00 - [97] Swearing at Players? Say it isn't so!?! It only gets noisy on TS when I kick someone in the Daddy Bag and stir things up like I do. Keep it real guys, and lets see if we can't get CCP to post an official kill board so we can once and for all put these lamer killboard forging n00bs to rest.
Zothike	Posted - 2005.04.21 11:30:00 - [98] If ccp would make an official kill board i think it would show only killer name and stats but not the names of victim unless accepted, otherway all carebears and ppl who suck at pvp or are not interested in it would be very upset to be mocked at like "hey look at Zothike kill board 0 victory and killed 85 times" then would make many ppl leaving. look at what happened to this mmorpg (i dont remenber the name) with cars races that apparently was showing rank of ppl or such, many ppl that were unable to raise their rank leaved the game and the game is now closed.... same for planetside; a pvp only game you can see how Much ppl you have killed but not how many time you have been killed, other way the game would have died since long Regards Zothike
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.21 14:50:00 - [99] Remove the killmails instead. Start roleplaying, this is a MMORPG after all. Killmails was a mistake by CCP to add to the game. I like unoffical killboards, but I can keep record of my kills with pen and paper and later on type it into the killboard instead. All of you that like everything to be black and white and stats all over the place. Play a board game or something instead (or CS...I say this to annoy you that don¦t understand why CS is being used as an example in this thread over and over...). If you have problems with the cheatings, lies, aggressions, loyalties, carebearing, uncertainties etc. that is part of roleplaying you shouldn¦t be playing this game. This is my not humble opinion.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.21 18:03:00 - [100] there are stats for ships killed per 24 hours per sector, per hour, pods per 24 hours, per hour.. where ur corp mates are... where your agents are.. etc etc and you cant think of a way to role play with such? eve is a space sim.. futuristic.. and you want ppl to move to pen and paper.. this isnt a historic RPG... or a fantasy RPG.. RPG'ing doesnt have to be based on ignorance or lack of knowledge.. --thoth

ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.21 21:33:00 - [101] Originally by: thoth foc and you want ppl to move to pen and paper.. this isnt a historic RPG... or a fantasy RPG.. If you feel more comfortable with Excel, use that instead then. The point wasn¦t using pen and paper, and I think you are intelligent enough to have understood that from my post.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.22 12:28:00 - [102] i understood.. i was trying to illustrate how, that way of role play may not fit with everyone's idea of roleplaying a futuristic RPG.. when ur flying along in your raven do you expect to whip out a handy little pda with excel installed any more than a pen and paper? do you really expect a hugh space going warship not to maintain logs? if concord record combat for the map and for jumping and docking, why not show them? RP'ing involves imagination.. fiting the role to the situation... not the situation to someone's idea of how RPG's should be... --thoth
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.22 14:42:00 - [103] Ok, obviously I s-c-r-e-w-e-d up trying to explain that I like killboards (unofficial ones), and then used pen and paper, excel, whatever, as a tool example. I should have left that sentence out since you still are hung up on that and still don¦t understand what I meant with my post as a whole. btw, a lot of tools are used outside of the game for various stuff to lift the game to a higher level, this forum for instance. Or check out eve-i, and I bet lots of ppl have their own stuff on their computers as well. There are more to this game than pvp and there would be close to impossible having all tools for all things implemented in the game. I hope we can agree on that at least. The thing about the concord logs and such are that they are not put in a central repository and made publicly available for comparisson, and that means a great deal because now there is that uncertainty that things might be falsified. And that, I believe, is a spice to much of the RPG part that includes diplomacy (on all levels; from grunts trolling, to assigned alliance diplomats doing public statements). With a transparent system with all facts availlable there is no room for misunderstanding a situation when everyone can check the central logs and kills and see timestamps and other kinds of data, all back and white. I really believe that it will remove a nice dimension in the game. Then again, I agree with you that it wouldn¦t remove the possibility to roleplay if a killboard of that kind was introduced. I just believe it to be boring. I guess CCP will introduce a public killboard sooner or later anyway. Most likely the game will sell better with a couple of highscore systems.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.04.22 15:27:00 - [104] u assume i dont understand because i dont come to the same conclusion as you do.. and basically your argument is is it easier to RPG by being able to lie.. and i just dont agree that makes RP'ing better, it requires less thought, less skill, and leads to increased amounts of childish arguments.. having a certain amount of truth in the game forces some commonality.. and helps everyone.. the main difference in our opinions comes from me being lazy .. you dont mind doing the extra work and i dont see the point.. the less time i waste outside the game.. the more time i have to spend inside it .. i'm not a fan of game ranking systems.. but giving them accurate info to let ppl judge by their own ideas is nice for many.. as others have pointed out.. the stats DONT tell the whole story.. that is the part for the RPG'ers to add.. --thoth
KissMyBoots	Posted - 2005.04.22 19:51:00 - [105] Originally by: MAXSuicide go away sky...its not like ur a pvper anyway. havent you just made a good arguement AGAINST killboards/leaguetables max? Surely it would divide the eve community with any sort of one-up-manship "your not in the league table stfu etc" ...I dont want to measure the length of anything in eve, kills, losses, knob length (don't have one), isk power ...and I don't want to have to be part of a community that becomes obsessed by this...the only stat I like is that when I log in there are 9,768+ people in the same e-real world as me... at a push I like the suggestion by by SAS that you could just have corp kills/war stats, or a voluntary board ...but all this aside how much extra would it costs us all to do this? ...eve-kills wasnt free and was supported by users
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.22 20:02:00 - [106] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 22/04/2005 20:03:49 alts - bad. im not sure why u need to use one here, its not like some political fight. i dont want non pvpers that dont really care about it to stop stats being put in. PvP has been nerfed endlessly with no stop in sight due to people whining and whining about dying in this game. and i dontwant those same people to now stop stat boards being made because they dont like seeing themselves dead up there, or because they dont get something for themselves. CCP need to do something for the pvpers this time round... ity doesnt have to be set out like a league table, Planetside have stats for EVERYONE. not some top 10 kill table......id like something the same...its not hard to do My vids and random stuff
Emperor	Posted - 2005.04.23 00:49:00 - [107] Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00 i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it
High Sierra	Posted - 2005.04.23 10:56:00 - [108] I like the idea of a killboard. I think it does have a place in the game - the question is, how you approach it. you are always going to get people who brag about their kills. the problem occurs when the killboards they use for reference are unofficial - it is hard to prove or disprove the stats. I have seen examples on these forums where accusations have flown all over the place of false killmails, doctored killmails etc etc. bottom line is, if its an official killboard that registers the killmail as soon as it is generated, you get rid of the doubt issue. THAT would get rid of at least half the smacktalk i see on the forums. Now, not everyone is going to be interested in a killboard, we all know that. No big issue. Those who want to use it as a point of reference can, the rest will ignore it. However, a lot of people would probably like to have the facility there so that they could refer to it once in a while. I myself do with Eve-Kills (mainly to look at all those ships I've lost and remind myself that 0.0 is a dangerous place). Its not just about players getting lots of kills and then shouting 'my tonker is bigger than yours' on the forums. Its a place of reference for: 1) Recruiters to look up an applicants stats 2) Corps and alliances to check and see what they are going up against in war 3) The same to check their progress against the enemy during war (how many of you have seen smacktalk about just how many ships a side has lost and the counter claims and accusations ad nauseum?) Yes there are negative aspects, but I believe the positive outweigh the negative. Feel free to look at my stats on Eve-kills they are rubbish. I don't mind, because to me its just a part of the game. I have lost alot of ships to NPC's as well - but thats not recorded. To have a database of my losses to both PvP and NPC would help me alot. Call it masochism if you like!
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.23 11:13:00 - [109] Originally by: Emperor Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00 i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it Excatly. We decided to stop using one for this reason. Hopefully this will lead to more smacktalk about how all we do is gank indys. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
ElmWood	Posted - 2005.04.23 11:28:00 - [110] Edited by: ElmWood on 23/04/2005 11:32:57 Oh mighty CCP God, please hear our humble plea. Our enemy say they have killed 10 of our battleships and we have records here saying it isn¦t true. We have collected all our concord killmails and we can only count it to 3 losses. Please please please, dear mighty CCP God. Could you please create as system that take away this uncertainty and let us see the truth. Our enemies are saying bad stuff about us on the news, spreading false propaganda. And since we feel urged to read every single line of disgusting accusations we soon can¦t take it anymore. Oh mighty CCP God, please hear our humble plea. EDIT: Divine intervention

BlackPlague	Posted - 2005.04.23 11:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Emperor Edited by: Emperor on 23/04/2005 00:50:00 i have been killing people for at least a year and a half now in EVE and i have never once used a kill board. i am not sure why it is needed or why anyone even wants to see who was killed and when. it takes all the fun out of EVE if every death is tracked. its far cooler when people can say they never died and that we forged the mail that way they get over confident and die more. i think the kill board would serve no use and would be a waste of the Devs time. they have enough work to fix/improve the game dont make them add more useless crap to it Coming from someone that petitioned to be moved cuz he was camped at a dock. My Siggie Scares Seleene... Boo!
F'nog	Posted - 2005.04.24 14:56:00 - [112] Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game. Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else. PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills."
Woad Raider	Posted - 2005.04.24 18:12:00 - [113] CCP gave us this forum, And its been turned into a Joke...Why would they give us a killbaord too
Cyan Gadarin	Posted - 2005.04.29 21:00:00 - [114] does not have to be based only on kills, you could get points for things such as trading, missions, buidling.....etc. etc. I remember being at the top of the CS ranks several times before i could even run a 1/1 ratio due to other things such as hostage rescues and bomb defusals.
Gunship	Posted - 2005.04.29 23:52:00 - [115] Please sign here if you want an official EVE kill board Please copy the URL to your corps own forums etc. Spread the word and letÆs see how many really would like this. Perhaps the numbers will help persuade CCP? CCP Petition!
M1NeR	Posted - 2005.04.30 17:50:00 - [116] Imho official killboard is a must. It will merely represent a game's stats not affect 'em in any other way. Comparing EVE with WoW in this matter is stupid cause EVE and WoW are very very different games and PvP here differs A LOT from WoW's PvP. And also those thats will be 100% true cause it's official and automatically posted or somehow checked. And as it's not too difficult to create such a board (as stats of kills are gathered in logs anyways) I guess this thing must be created. -------
M1NeR	Posted - 2005.04.30 19:10:00 - [117] Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55 Originally by: F'nog Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game. Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else. PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills." And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all. -------
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.04.30 22:14:00 - [118] The only people who don't want a killboard are the ones who'd like to keep thinking they're better than others. Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
F'nog	Posted - 2005.05.01 01:04:00 - [119] Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55 Originally by: F'nog Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game. Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else. PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills." And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all. What exactly does this have to do with my alliance? Did I mention anything about XF and what it does or does not do? Nice attempt at a flame, but it simply shows why we don't need a killboard. This is just the sort of thing one will bring out in people, and we have enough of it as is.
Zerodragoon	Posted - 2005.05.01 13:18:00 - [120] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 30/04/2005 19:11:55 Originally by: F'nog Go to this thread and follow the links there to the WoW boards. You'll see plenty of examples of why official killboards will ruin the game. Ganking will be the only thing that happens, because so many people want to be on the top of the list. Why bother to loot your victim's can, when that time can be better spent killing someone else. PvP needs to have a reason to be fun and continue for more than a short time. That reason is definitely not, "I've got the most kills." And yeah, almost forgot. Xetic we'll gank, shmank, fank, bank, dank.... kill you on sight by any means anyway even without official Killboards. So dont whine about that it wont help you at all. What exactly does this have to do with my alliance? Did I mention anything about XF and what it does or does not do? Nice attempt at a flame, but it simply shows why we don't need a killboard. This is just the sort of thing one will bring out in people, and we have enough of it as is. Its a unwritten rule that if Xetic posts about something not realated to their alliance at ALL, you must flame them for being Xetic. -------

Gunship	Posted - 2005.05.01 17:18:00 - [121] Originally by: Zerodragoon Its a unwritten rule that if Xetic posts about something not realated to their alliance at ALL, you must flame them for being Xetic. No, youÆre just being paranoid. CCP Petition!
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.01 17:24:00 - [122] and while your at it ccp, make a post count thing on these forums, i want to be uber in at least one section of this game before i quit. My vids and random stuff
M1NeR	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:21:00 - [123] Edited by: M1NeR on 03/05/2005 15:22:39 deleted -------
Adam C	Posted - 2005.05.16 18:26:00 - [124] 71 sigs in 3 weeks. thats bad common ppl regards
Funboy	Posted - 2005.05.16 19:27:00 - [125] haha 74 signatures its rly gonna happen!
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.05.16 19:30:00 - [126] If you would like a new feature added to EVE Online please submit your idea in detail on the correct forum. You may also like to add it as a question on a future dev chat where it can be discussed properly. Petitions and bumping threads with "signed" does absolutely nothing and is the type of behaviour more likely to lead to it not getting implemented. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)


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